Idea On How You Recruit Arabs To Rp

[stevedasbach]

I understand completely what you are saying...but where do you begin, and end?

Each individual decides where to target his/her efforts. Max should be commended for taking the initiative to reach out to this community.

However, my plea to anyone like Max who launches such initiatives is make sure that the material you use is consistent with Dr. Paul's message and does not put words in his mouth. That is the concern many of us have expressed about including the adjective "Zionist" in front of "neoconservatives" and mentioning Dr. Paul's opposition to aid to Israel out of context (he opposes ALL foreign aid).

 

[Thomas_Paine]

Selling the Ron Paul message is easy when you know where the person is coming from. That is why target marketing is so effective, because you can custom fit the message for certain groups. Customizing a flyer for Arab Muslims is the same as customizing a flyer Christians, there is nothing wrong about it and it is simply the smartest and most effective way to introduce Ron Paul to these groups of individuals.

 

[Hook]

As long as you don't say something that will bite you later...

 

[Hook]

Customize your message, just don't say something that will reflect badly on the campaign.
WWRPS (What would Ron Paul say?)

 

[Dustancostine]

and mentioning Dr. Paul's opposition to aid to Israel out of context (he opposes ALL foreign aid).

Yes he opposes aid to all foreign nations. But I have heard him on more than one occasion specifically point out Israel and read where he points out Israel multiple times in his new book. So that would not be out of context nor would it be putting words into his mouth.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Let's take a look at a couple of statements from the proposed flyer..

ABOUT THE NEO-CONSERVATIVES WHO CAUSED THE WAR?

Where specifically did Dr. Paul say the above? Please provide the source. It is my opinion, that the way this is currently written will fall right in the hands of those who attempt to portray Dr. Paul as blaming America for the 9-11 attack, rather than bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

"Neo-conservatives are in positions of influence and are well placed throughout our government and the media. .....They want to redraw the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends..... They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party."

FACTS ABOUT CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL

· Dr. Ron Paul believes in peace and trade with ALL nations.
· Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who opposes financial and military aid for Israel.

This statement is extremely misleading. Dr. Paul opposes foreign aid to EVERYONE.

 

[Dustancostine]

Let's take a look at a couple of statements from the proposed flyer..



Where specifically did Dr. Paul say the above? Please provide the source. It is my opinion, that the way this is currently written will fall right in the hands of those who attempt to portray Dr. Paul as blaming America for the 9-11 attack, rather than bin Laden and Al Qaeda.



This statement is extremely misleading. Dr. Paul opposes foreign aid to EVERYONE.

What is y'all problem?

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=538

Here is an article where RP specifically mentions the "Neo-Cons" causing the war and trying to start one with Iran

http://archive.columbiatribune.com/2007/jun/20070615news009.asp

Here is one instance where RP specifically calling the end to Israeli aid.

Well, I think we shouldn’t be involved. I don’t think we should tell Israel what to do, and I don’t think we should finance all of Israel’s military activities

And if you think the Pro-Aid Jewish lobby does not already know this and trying to spin it, your crazy. Google: Ron Paul Israel and you will find plenty of articles calling RP a Israel hater.

BTW: Saying RP is the only candidate that will cut aid to Israel, is true and reflects his positions. And he has stated that cutting off aid to everyone includes Israel. How is this misleading?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ok, so let's say he wants to cut off foreign aid to EVERYONE. That is a more honest depiction of his stance.

I will take a look at your reference for the "causing the war". It will have to wait until later this afternoon. To be clear, I think there is a better way to say this than using the phrase, "causing the war", because this so easily can be misconstrued.

 

[Dustancostine]

Ok, so let's say he wants to cut off foreign aid to EVERYONE. That is a more honest depiction of his stance.

I will take a look at your reference for the "causing the war". It will have to wait until later this afternoon. To be clear, I think there is a better way to say this than using the phrase, "causing the war", because this so easily can be misconstrued.

You are probably right about rephrasing the "Neo-Cons caused the War", but remember we are talking about the Iraq War, not the War on Terrorism. Maybe something like "Neo-Cons who want to keep us at War in Iraq"

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, I realize they are different, but do you think most people view it that way?

 

[Nefertiti]

Ok, I did a search for Maronite Forums (Lebanese Catholics). Here is one that is an active plain old Lebanese forum. Could someone here that is more experienced in RP's policies and maybe even Arab culture post the message of RP there?

I think it'd be a good idea.

http://www.lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/index.php

I'll keep looking for more.

This thread from that site gives you some insight into how they view US aid, not only to Israel but to other countries in the region.

http://www.lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/showthread.php?t=26121

 

[mconder]

· Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who opposes financial and military aid for Israel.

It's not Ron Paul's plan to single out Israel. All foreign aid would end, so in that since I do view this as Anti-semitic.

 

[Jumpin_Jack]

the media will smear RP as an anti-semite anyway, just as they attacked Jimmy carter...and a racist...and a nut......

HELL IS GOING TO BREAL LOOSE ON ALL OF US VERY SOON NO MATTER HOW CAUTIOUS WE ARE...so why hold back?

Zionists refers to themselves as Zionists...and arabs know what the term means...if we dont stop living in fear of labels we'll always be on the defensive..

RP isnt afraid to criticize the Israeli lobby (read his quotes)...Jimmy carter wasnt afraid...so why should we be?

if americans are so stupid that they would fall for the anti RP smears....then he wont win anyway

Jimmy Carter was basically the '76 version of Hillary Clinton, so I must ask you, why are using him as an example?

 

[Kregener]

It's not Ron Paul's plan to single out Israel. All foreign aid would end, so in that since I do view this as Anti-semitic.

Huh?

Can you clarify please?

If you believe stopping the funneling of massive amounts of Americans stolen labor profits to Israel is "anti-semitic", then I am not sure you are informed enough to vote.

 

[LibertyBelle]

No need to explain the obvious to people. Using the phrase "all nations" spells it out and gives his full stance on the issue. I just don't think there is anyone who is so ignorant they can't realize that all nations includes Israel. Do they need to have this explained? I don't think so.

Also, stating Americans, even Arab Americans, can support RP, etc IMO is not necessary. They are not retarded, all they have to do is read the info.

No need to specify any group of people, since RP's message is extremely appealing and he is supported by individuals from all walks of life. RP's message and record are incredible. Plus, a universal flyer could be copied by a new Arab American supporter to give to anyone he/she encounters. Now that's a concept, to make a flyer that will appeal to anyone who believes in freedom and taking care of America.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

I understand completely what you are saying...but where do you begin, and end? Do you print literature in X number of languages to be inclusive of everyone? Do you send the flyer out with someone who knows sign language for the deaf, or with flash cards for the illiterate? When RP speaks, does the audience have an earbud in, getting translation of what hes saying? The umpteen versions of Govt forms in many languages is what adds to Big Govt. English is the language of assimilation for the American citizen.
Not arguing, just looking at it from a practical perspective.

Of course these flyers are personal projects and nothing is mandatory. It would be easy for a English speaking Vietnamese to write one side in English and the other side in Vietnamese. If your going to target an particular audience why not reach the widest one possible, cost no extra money or time to pass out and shows even the good English speaking ones that you have some interest for their ways even if they are born here. Again this not mandatory. Just a suggestion. I know when I travel to other countries that I can read some or most the words on a menu to order. I appreciate the menu's that add English because it helps me understand it better.

My views are different on government forms though, they all should be in English only. If I were going to be a citizen of Spain I better darn well learn Spanish, I don't expect Spain to change for me.

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[Nefertiti]

No need to explain the obvious to people. Using the phrase "all nations" spells it out and gives his full stance on the issue. I just don't think there is anyone who is so ignorant they can't realize that all nations includes Israel. Do they need to have this explained? I don't think so.

I think it is important to keep Israel in there alongside other nations. Yes people can figure it out but it will make so much more of an impact if you specify in there that Israel is not excluded. This is probably the most important line in the whole flyer and really will be the clincher in getting people to support RP. Do not even underestimate this. Muslims and Arabs may not all share the same feelings toward Palestinians and other neighbors and their government/s but they will almost all agree that Israel has been aided in its aggression toward its neighbors by US financial support.

All the other candidates consider financial support of Israel to be an important part of befriending Israel and it is something that sets Ron Paul apart. RP wants friendship with all nations but he will not single out Israel as a special friend like other candidates do. That is a fact.

 

[Syren123]

Every time - EVERY TIME - Ron Paul is asked about his position on various issues affecting various groups, he states that viewing people as members of individual groups is DIVISIVE. Duh. His stand is to restore freedom and liberty to ALL PEOPLE regardless of their group affiliation. He has no position on issues regarding any specific group. All of those things can be decided locally by the people themselves.

Forget pandering to different ethnicities in an effort to show them what Ron Paul can do for THEM. It's what he can do for EVERYONE. And I wish that all groups who fracture themselves into special cases would get over themselves.

 

[LibertyBelle]

I think it is important to keep Israel in there alongside other nations. Yes people can figure it out but it will make so much more of an impact if you specify in there that Israel is not excluded. This is probably the most important line in the whole flyer and really will be the clincher in getting people to support RP. Do not even underestimate this. Muslims and Arabs may not all share the same feelings toward Palestinians and other neighbors and their government/s but they will almost all agree that Israel has been aided in its aggression toward its neighbors by US financial support.

All the other candidates consider financial support of Israel to be an important part of befriending Israel and it is something that sets Ron Paul apart. RP wants friendship with all nations but he will not single out Israel as a special friend like other candidates do. That is a fact.

This is pandering to a group!!! Also, Israel IS there alongside other nations. ALL nations is exactly that, ALL, there is no exclusion. Once again, nobody is retarded, they know the meaning of ALL.

As for RP not singling Israel out, exactly my point!

 

[Horatio Negersky]

How about we just get that flyer completed?

I doubt anyone in here is a hired PR consultant who has previously had a hand in winning a political race at the national level and as such we are best qualified to act in the capacity that free-speaking citizens do, and not as arbiters of what the media and public will do to respond. If you really think people are going to get into a tiff about it then I guess they're no different than any of you who are already currently in mid-tiff

Those who seem to make the most back and forth commentary about infeasible demographics targeting are producing no progress on the front of simply creating another useful message to provide to people, you're just spinning your wheels.

Make the points truthful and keep the quotes exacting. Ron has engineered his message correctly and you will only do well to further it, not to downsize, edit, forecast, embellish, or omit any portion of.
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Negersky