I am going to back Cruz.

[nikcers]

Ya, I don't think so. That fact that any one of the "noooos" channels are or are not pushing the candidate de jure doesn't say much of anything and it's nothing to base your vote on. Cruz is not one bit better than Rubio, he's just playing to a different audience. The fact that anyone here can come to the conclusion that he is somehow the lesser evil I find pretty amazing. Take off the blinders.

It's the simple fact that Cruz winning Iowa tanked Trump and OP hates Trump. So much that he wants to let Rubio win.

 

[Origanalist]

It's the simple fact that Cruz winning Iowa tanked Trump and OP hates Trump. So much that he wants to let Rubio win.

I dislike Trump as much as anyone here, I get the sentiment. But out of the three I can't see how any of them are better than the others. Just different lies.

 

[bunklocoempire]

I stuck by Rand in the hopes he could pull it off but it is not happening and it is not going to happen.
Now it is flat out a choice between Cruz Trump Hillary Rubio or Bernie. To fend off the possibility of having to choose between Hillary Rubio, or Bernie over Trump, I have to back Cruz.
Rubio is rapidly going to collect the neoconservative branch and a good portion of the religious right. He is going to surge in NH and the news is going to run with that. Last thing I want is to get stuck in California with a choice between Trump and Rubio. As of now the era of the Paul's is over.
I respect the people sticking by Rand and salute you all for taking a hard stand for the most principled and honorable man running and out of respect to you all and Rand and Ron, I won't be posting anything about Cruz and I probably won't be around much at all anymore. It has been a wild ride these last 9 years Sometime euphoric and sometimes not so great but it has been a life experience.

That was not a "life experience" friend, that was a 9 year mistake because at the end you think you have a "choice" and you seem to think you are "stuck". Good luck with your Sachs of shit.

Stuck with Rand... It IS an idea, not a person FFS. Oh well.

Seriously, good luck -and I hope you snap out of it.

 

[nikcers]

I dislike Trump as much as anyone here, I get the sentiment. But out of the three I can't see how any of them are better than the others. Just different lies.

The most optimistic way of looking at it is Trump can now implode his campaign, Rand could rise to win NH. Not if people are jumping ship though to the maple flavored false choice, that's what these guys are predicting.

 

[SilentBull]

The most optimistic way of looking at it is Trump can now implode his campaign, Rand could rise to win NH. Not if people are jumping ship though to the maple flavored false choice, that's what these guys are predicting.

Rand can rise but I doubt it will be in NH. I'm expecting the same result as in Iowa. There isn't a single TV or radio ad playing in NH. If something happens and Cruz collapses, Rand has a chance but I don't think it will be in NH.

 

[notsure]

 

[Liberty74]

Cruz hangs out with the Kissinger and the Vampire Squid. Give me Trump every day. At least Trump shows autonomy and doesn't want to remove Russia from the map.

Not supporting Trump but he recently said that we needed to stop spending money on wars and bombs while letting other countries spend their money on bombs to fight ISIS. I thought he was channeling Rand. It's all in how you say it and come across. Rand comes across as that great statesmen which IMO hurts him more so than when Trump comes across as a leader in a crazy way.

 

[Todd]

Rand can rise but I doubt it will be in NH. I'm expecting the same result as in Iowa. There isn't a single TV or radio ad playing in NH. If something happens and Cruz collapses, Rand has a chance but I don't think it will be in NH.

I hear people saying this....but Ron was still in it in 12' when Super Tuesday approached when everyone else dropped out. By that time the only narrative was that it was Mitt Romney. There were still people who voted for Gingrich and Santorum but the media narrative was already just "Mitt". When my state voted in the Primary it was only Ron Paul and Mitt. But Ron didn't have any media coverage by that time and lost by 60 to 40 I think.

I just don't think this is a workable strategy

 

[Brett85]

Cruz is not one bit better than Rubio, he's just playing to a different audience.

I know this is unpopular to say here, but Cruz's actual voting record on civil liberties/foreign policy, while not nearly on par with Rand's, is far better than Rubio's. Cruz voted for an anti torture amendment that Rubio voted against, voted for Rand's budgets which included cuts in defense spending which Rubio voted against, voted to repeal the Iraq war authorization which Rubio voted against, voted against final passage of the NDAA every year he's been in the Senate, opposed military action in Libya which Rubio supported, etc. It's mostly Cruz's rhetoric that I don't like very much. His actual voting record is decent, far better than Rubio's. I understand the mentality of not wanting to vote for the lesser of two evils. I didn't vote for Romney in 2012. But, I do think that Cruz is clearly a lesser of evil from a liberty perspective when compared with Rubio.

 

[juleswin]

If you think about it, how did Cruz and Rubio both get their money and power? They started out without a pot to piss in. Rumors also that Rubio was in a gay porn movie. The plot just continues to thicken. Yet a really great true blue like Rand Paul can't get traction at all. Only gay pimps get anywhere near the White House.

That makes perfect sense, I mean, I read some youtube career list a while back and it showed that a secret gay porn career pays more than an IV league law graduate practicing law.

Also even if he made his money investing in gay porn website, who cares? that is capitalism. If I could make lots of money investing in gay porn, I would do it in a heart beat and I bet you would do it too.

 

[Fivezeroes]

I don't understand how anyone here could say "They're voting for Cruz" now. The same guy that missed the fed bill he sponsored. The same guy like Rubio having issues showing up for votes. Why is the Am. public so fucking misinformed?!?

 

[Origanalist]

Gah! Rand is out now, I'm still not voting for Cruz. Considering my local options I may not vote period.

 

[juleswin]

I don't understand how anyone here could say "They're voting for Cruz" now. The same guy that missed the fed bill he sponsored. The same guy like Rubio having issues showing up for votes. Why is the Am. public so fucking misinformed?!?

Maybe the family is going to somehow benefit financially from a Cruz win. For me, I am thinking about voting for Sanders seeing as how he plans on expanding the healthcare industry. Maybe I will get yet another raise or even better become a union boss and retire with a pension 90% of my last year salary at the young age of 50.

People are doing whats best for them and their families. You think when Trump paid off X politician to seize some private property that he was thinking about you and your family? Ofc not, he was thinking about himself and his family. Its high time we all do the same.

 

[Fivezeroes]

Maybe the family is going to somehow benefit financially from a Cruz win. For me, I am thinking about voting for Sanders seeing as how he plans on expanding the healthcare industry. Maybe I will get yet another raise or even better become a union boss and retire with a pension 90% of my last year salary at the young age of 50.

People are doing whats best for them and their families. You think when Trump paid off X politician to seize some private property that he was thinking about you and your family? Ofc not, he was thinking about himself and his family. Its high time we all do the same.

I'm not a Trump fan, but you wouldn't catch me dead voting for Cruz or Rubio. I'd vote Democrat before voting for any of the crap lineup we have right now.

 

[otherone]

That makes perfect sense, I mean, I read some youtube career list a while back and it showed that a secret gay porn career pays more than an IV league law graduate practicing law.

Smart career move.
Experience in gay porn prepares a candidate for sodomy in the public sector.

 

[erowe1]

Where did he get his personal wealth?

He was the partner of a major law firm, where he led their Supreme Court and national litigation practice, which I'm sure paid more than gay porn, and now he's a US Senator. What's his net worth $2 million? I don't see anything suspicious there.

 

[Brett85]

Maybe the family is going to somehow benefit financially from a Cruz win. For me, I am thinking about voting for Sanders seeing as how he plans on expanding the healthcare industry. Maybe I will get yet another raise or even better become a union boss and retire with a pension 90% of my last year salary at the young age of 50.

People are doing whats best for them and their families. You think when Trump paid off X politician to seize some private property that he was thinking about you and your family? Ofc not, he was thinking about himself and his family. Its high time we all do the same.

I agree with this. People are all individuals and should be able to do what they want to do without getting condemned and shamed by others. If you want to vote for Sanders, more power to you. The only thing that matters is that all of us supported Ron and Rand's runs for President. I did what I could for both of them, making phone calls, donating money, etc. But, those of us who believe that perhaps we should vote in a strategic way to keep the worst candidate from winning shouldn't be condemned when we did all that we could to get both Ron and Rand elected President.

 

[juleswin]

I'm not a Trump fan, but you wouldn't catch me dead voting for Cruz or Rubio. I'd vote Democrat before voting for any of the crap lineup we have right now.

Forgive, not trying to suggest that you a Trump supporter, but the idea is that some people are abandoning this selfless idea of helping the country and just going for the payolla. I think we would have had a better chance in this race if the old Ron Paul supporter stayed together, but just like the idiots who think they stand a better chance of survival if they left, at the end, they and their children would lose by straying.

 

[Origanalist]

At this point it matters naught to me what anyone decides to do, voting democrat (for President) is as good a strategy as any. Of course local races may be an entirely different situation (or not).

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Rand's campaign is weak because of compromise, I don't care if someone wants to call it "impure" or "pure"....Im just going by how well he is at conveying civil liberties...he really isnt that persuasive...otherwise he would have all the support from the Bernie crowd, who were mostly the type of voters that would have supported Ron Paul back in 2007 and 2011. Lots of young, new voters...who look for a fresh take on freedom,and trying to understand the world....Rand never was able to grab that vote because he was too busy playing politician

You are completely ignoring the fact the Bernie is offering civil liberties AND free stuff. If you think that all these young people that are into civil liberties are moral, principled people then you are wrong.