Huffington Post's article about RP spurs lively debate on Reddit

[ShaneEnochs]

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1maahx/ron_paul_911_attacks_were_blowback_for_decades_of/

Some of the comments:

Is this an extremist view in the US?
I don't live in the US, 9/11 has always been reported as a reaction to decades of US military intervention. I'm not saying for a second it was justified, but... keep poking a hornet's nest, and you're going to get stung.

I don't know why patriotism in any country or by any people is considered desirable, I can understand why governments want it, but I don't get why people in those countries give it such merit.

frankly it's amazing he has the balls to come out and say it.
a 'terrorist' is just someone who got tired of American soldiers murdering their children

Good stuff over there.

 

[jkr]

WINNING!

 

[BlackTerrel]

frankly it's amazing he has the balls to come out and say it.
a 'terrorist' is just someone who got tired of American soldiers murdering their children

You really call that good stuff? That's all a terrorist is?

So the Boston bombers who were born in the US were just good people who got tired of American soldiers murdering children? That's it?

....You know at some point you go from opposing US foreign policy to just hating America.

 

[amy31416]

You really call that good stuff? That's all a terrorist is?

So the Boston bombers who were born in the US were just good people who got tired of American soldiers murdering children? That's it?

....You know at some point you go from opposing US foreign policy to just hating America.

If the US had an invasion/occupation and I lived overseas with those who occupied the US and found that they had killed my family/neighbors/friends/children, etc., then labeled them terrorists for resisting the violence forced on them (or just for being Christian/American/whatever).

I would plot revenge. The only difference is that I would NOT go for citizens--and for that I do condemn terrorism, no other reason.

This has nothing to do with loving/hating America. That's an emotional argument meant to shut down discussion with the Bush Era--"ya'll ain't patriotic if ya'll question what we do" sort of bullshit.

 

[amy31416]

You really call that good stuff? That's all a terrorist is?

So the Boston bombers who were born in the US were just good people who got tired of American soldiers murdering children? That's it?

....You know at some point you go from opposing US foreign policy to just hating America.

If the US had an invasion/occupation and I lived overseas with those who occupied the US and found that they had killed my family/neighbors/friends/children, etc., then labeled them terrorists for resisting the violence forced on them (or just for being Christian/American/whatever).

I would plot revenge. The only difference is that I would NOT go for citizens--and for that I do condemn terrorism, no other reason.

This has nothing to do with loving/hating America. That's an emotional argument meant to shut down discussion with the Bush Era--"ya'll ain't patriotic if ya'll question what we do" sort of bullshit.

 

[PSYOP]

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[erowe1]

The only difference is that I would NOT go for citizens--and for that I do condemn terrorism, no other reason.

But that is no small point right there.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

But that is no small point right there.

Yeah, it is no small point. And that is if we can tell what is real or what is fabricated. Which, most of the time, we can't until it's finally released many years down the road, like Gulf of Tokin.

But, if, and that is an 'if', you saw your children and nephews, aunts and uncles, friends and their families dying and being maimed at the hands of some occupiers, what would you be willing to do to strike back? (NOT strike their children and nephews, aunts and uncles, but try to burst through high security installations and maybe damage a fence or piece of equipment before being cut down?)

 

[amy31416]

But that is no small point right there.

It is not. But this is a very unequal battle--and that should be recognized by anyone with sense.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

You really call that good stuff? That's all a terrorist is?

So the Boston bombers who were born in the US were just good people who got tired of American soldiers murdering children? That's it?

....You know at some point you go from opposing US foreign policy to just hating America.

You took that quote out of context. Please improve your reading comprehension before you post next, K?

 

[fr33]

I read through a lot of those comments and it was nice to see some sanity after reading comments on MSM news articles.

 

[BlackTerrel]

If the US had an invasion/occupation and I lived overseas with those who occupied the US and found that they had killed my family/neighbors/friends/children, etc., then labeled them terrorists for resisting the violence forced on them (or just for being Christian/American/whatever).

The Boston bombers were born here and grew up as and with Americans.

I would plot revenge. The only difference is that I would NOT go for citizens--and for that I do condemn terrorism, no other reason.

So you agree plotting "revenge" against random people running a marathon makes you a terrorist and a lunatic.

This has nothing to do with loving/hating America. That's an emotional argument meant to shut down discussion with the Bush Era--"ya'll ain't patriotic if ya'll question what we do" sort of bullshit.

If you kill random people running a marathon you do hate America and you are a scumbag. That's not an emotional argument that's pretty damn rational.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Yeah, it is no small point. And that is if we can tell what is real or what is fabricated. Which, most of the time, we can't until it's finally released many years down the road, like Gulf of Tokin.

But, if, and that is an 'if', you saw your children and nephews, aunts and uncles, friends and their families dying and being maimed at the hands of some occupiers, what would you be willing to do to strike back? (NOT strike their children and nephews, aunts and uncles, but try to burst through high security installations and maybe damage a fence or piece of equipment before being cut down?)

The Boston bombers were born and raised in the US. Their only connection was religion. This would be as logical as me killing random Egyptians.

 

[BlackTerrel]

You took that quote out of context. Please improve your reading comprehension before you post next, K?

Please quote me that line in context. I quoted the entire piece from the OP.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Please quote me that line in context. I quoted the entire piece from the OP.

The commenter was clearly referring to overseas terror attacks. You misconstrued it. This seems to be a very common problem you suffer from.

 

[BlackTerrel]

The commenter was clearly referring to overseas terror attacks. You misconstrued it. This seems to be a very common problem you suffer from.

How is that clear? The thread is about 9/11 isn't it?

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

How is that clear? The thread is about 9/11 isn't it?

The thread is about American foreign policy having terrible consequences. You took a quote referring to terrorists and blew it out of proportion.

 

[Christian Liberty]

You really call that good stuff? That's all a terrorist is?

So the Boston bombers who were born in the US were just good people who got tired of American soldiers murdering children? That's it?

....You know at some point you go from opposing US foreign policy to just hating America.

They are wrong because they attack innocent people because of the actions of the guilty. Basically all statism is guilty of the same thing.

If Al Qeida would go after the people actually responsible for this stuff, they'd be heroes. As it is, they're killing the innocent, and as such are guilty, but that doesn't change the fact that their motivation is, in fact, hatred for murderers from the US.

BTW: If you're defining "America" as the country the Founders started, that is long gone. if you define "America" as the flag waving neocon self-worshipping perversity it has become, than I proudly hate America.

 

[amy31416]

The Boston bombers were born here and grew up as and with Americans.



So you agree plotting "revenge" against random people running a marathon makes you a terrorist and a lunatic.



If you kill random people running a marathon you do hate America and you are a scumbag. That's not an emotional argument that's pretty damn rational.

1. They grew up here, watching "their" gov't and military killing their people without a second thought and cheering it on.

2. It makes you a terrorist, which is sometimes the last resort of the desperate. What would you do if the US was run by racists who were systematically killing all black people? Would you be a lunatic if you took extreme measures? No.

3. Our GOVERNMENT is killing random people at WEDDINGS, FUNERALS, SCHOOLS, in their HOMES.

So FUCK OFF if some angry kids do some stupid, evil bullshit, OUR GOVERNMENT does far worse. I can not run them through the wringer until I run OUR GOVERNMENT THAT WE SUPPORT AND PAY FOR through it--which you don't really care so much to do.

When you realize that these are human beings that are being killed by us, maybe you'll be able to eventually understand why some people may act "irrationally."

 

[amy31416]

The Boston bombers were born and raised in the US. Their only connection was religion. This would be as logical as me killing random Egyptians.

Don't be dishonest. You have a connection with Africans/blacks just as these kids had a connection with Arabs/Muslims.

Or are you saying you're okay with the US focusing on African blacks for decimation and you'll keep quiet about it?