Hamas' Half-baked Attack On Israel Reveals Its Truer Face

[acptulsa]

How about don't get involved at all?

Is that really not what I said?

 

[acptulsa]

That certainly makes one think that there are money trails to be followed.

Snatch them before the Memory Hole does.

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1712072850616533426

The issue of sovereignty over Gaza’s gas fields is crucial. From a legal standpoint, the gas reserves belong to Palestine.
The death of Yasser Arafat, the election of the Hamas government and the ruin of the Palestinian Authority have enabled Israel to establish de facto control over Gaza’s offshore gas reserves.
British Gas (BG Group) has been dealing with the Tel Aviv government. In turn, the Hamas government has been bypassed in regards to exploration and development rights over the gas fields.
In 2006, British Gas “was close to signing a deal to pump the gas to Egypt.” (Times, May, 23, 2007). According to reports, British Prime Minister Tony Blair intervened on behalf of Israel with a view to shunting the agreement with Egypt.

The military occupation of Gaza is intent upon transferring the sovereignty of the gas fields to Israel in violation of international law.

 

[osan]

It seems that Hamas consists of corrupt oligarchs who retain power via masses of brainwashed Marxist victims. How will they profit from this new war? How will they gain (or retain) more power from this?

Indeed. I know not neaerly enough about the internal relationships between the various players, or even who they are, but it requires no rocket surgery to dope out that there is some big strategy behind all this. The only other possibility is that Hamas is run by brain-damaged idiots, which I find less likely.

What is a simple civilian trapped in the Gaza strip to do?

Difficult to answer, but in the past those people have been pretty openly hostile toward Israel. Of course, their "leadership", Arafat in particular, was a major league asshole. The Israelis offered them their own nation - the entire West Bank and Gaza. Arafat told them to shove it. What are the Israelis supposed to do?

As for what the civilian in Gaza should do, today there may be not many options. But long ago they could have showed their will, but didn't. They could have turned on Arafat, for example, and demanded he accept the two-state solution, which was a pretty good deal for them. In typical human fashion, they idly allowed their leaders to screw them in their butts.

One can certainly feel for their situation, ruled over by corrupt oligarchs and war mongers who retain power via masses of brainwashed Marxist victims.

Agreed, but even that truth has its limits of validity as a reason or excuse. Unless Israel is in on this little gag reel (and who knows, maybe they are), no matter how treacherous Hamas may be, I'm sure there could be ways of approaching the Israelis with information. Get yourself arrested, perhaps rioting, and when they have you in an interrogation room, tell them what is what. That's just one thing that flies off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other options. Is it risky? As all hell, I assume, but doing nothing all but guarantees nothing will change, certainly not for the better.

That seems familiar. It hits a little too close to home for many Americans. What's an innocent American to do?

NOt quite the same situation. Here we do not (yet) have the same degree of open and violent corruption. We still make some pretense of the rule of Law, which may be thin, but even so the difference in practical effect seems to me to be quite significant. For example, I write inflammatory essays, wear two sidearms everywhere I go as a reminder to those around me, and speak out against the tyrant any chance I get. It may not be that much, but then again we're not experiencing rocket attacks... yet.

What a waste. It is all an obscene drama.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

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NOt quite the same situation. Here we do not (yet) have the same degree of open and violent corruption. We still make some pretense of the rule of Law, which may be thin, but even so the difference in practical effect seems to me to be quite significant. For example, I write inflammatory essays, wear two sidearms everywhere I go as a reminder to those around me, and speak out against the tyrant any chance I get. It may not be that much, but then again we're not experiencing rocket attacks... yet.

Yeah, we are blissfully insulated from the actions of our corrupt leaders (with the glaring exception of 9/11). And terrorist actions are never justified by wrongs, perceived or real. Bombs and rockets will not drop on our heads any time soon from the violent actions of our "leaders".

What a waste. It is all an obscene drama.

Indeed. Death and destruction so that some few may profit. War is a racket.

 

[osan]

Snatch them before the Memory Hole does.

Oh hell, that's nothing to worry about. People are their own Memory Hole. They are because they don't want to remember if it is somehow inconvenient. They forget with eagerness.

Shortly after 9/11, BBC or Thames aired a 3-part series "The Power Of Nightmares", wherein was exposed all manner of what ought to have been shocking revelations about the connections relating to the attack. What shocked me was not the information per sé, but the fact that it had been made public by a "credible" source. I asked a friend of mine who lived in London how it could be that such damning evidence was not only being aired, but that it was done by an instrument of the British "government".

His response was simple: nobody cared. At that time he told me very frankly that close to 80% of the people in the UK were on Prozac, an assertion that somewhat shocked me, even if I found it unsurprising. Basically his position was that there was virtually no release of truth no matter how outrageous or criminal that would stir the people of the UK to anger, much less action. Make of that what you will, I see the selfsame reality here in America and all of the "developed" world. Europe seems largely fond of looking down their noses as the "ugly Americans", and not without some small justification, but the degree to which they do so... They are no better, sitting idly as the rotten EU screw them another shiny one on a daily basis (e.g. the "refugee" crisis as millions of Arabs poured in just a few short years ago, causing endless troubles political, cultural, and economic.)

Consider then the wild scandal of Enron. All that information is still floating out there. Is anyone looking at that any longer? Bet I could count the number on my willie and still have a digit left unused. The the list goes on... and on.

The issue of sovereignty over Gaza’s gas fields is crucial.

Interesting revelation. I'd not been aware of the gas reserves. Those, of course, would seem a possible incentive for Israel to engage in chicanery.

From a legal standpoint, the gas reserves belong to Palestine.

Is there such a place as "Palestine"? And "legally speaking"... whose law, exactly?

The death of Yasser Arafat, the election of the Hamas government and the ruin of the Palestinian Authority have enabled Israel to establish de facto control over Gaza’s offshore gas reserves.

And who ruined the "Palestinian Authority"? Was it Israel? Would not surprise me, but does it not remain unproven? And the Palestinian people's apparently blasé acceptance of the event cannot be ignored.

British Gas (BG Group) has been dealing with the Tel Aviv government. In turn, the Hamas government has been bypassed in regards to exploration and development rights over the gas fields.

The wording seems the attempt at painting Hamas as some sort of victim here. Are they in any way a formal establishment? Even so, what would you do, were you BG? Investing billions to extract resources is not something one does without sufficient confidence in the legal framework within which agreements leading to contracts and the rights enshrined therein ensure with reasonable confidence. Legally speaking, and correct me if I am mistaken, Hamas is literally nothing. It is no entity at all, in which case there is nothing with whom BG could contract. Not saying any of this makes sense or is good, but just that this is how the world works in such matters. Israel, OTOH, is a recognized state, any agreement with whom presumably carries certain levels of credibility and reliability. Having dealt with an Israeli company, however indirectly (AMDOCS), I can attest to the fact that trustworthy is not a word I'd apply there, but that's a discussion for another day.

In 2006, British Gas “was close to signing a deal to pump the gas to Egypt.” (Times, May, 23, 2007). According to reports, British Prime Minister Tony Blair intervened on behalf of Israel with a view to shunting the agreement with Egypt.

Has Israel not had the UK by their shriveled balls for a century or more?

The military occupation of Gaza is intent upon transferring the sovereignty of the gas fields to Israel in violation of international law.

Maybe. Certainly it is plausible, but for me the question again rises as to "legality". "International law" seems a notion upon which to be relied when it suits one's convenience, only to be ignored when it doesn't. I am universally suspicious of any and all references to international law. I would further point out that Israel is a prime example of a nation that thumbs its nose at such law (is there even such a thing?) any time they find it useful to do so.

All this notwithstanding and assumed as fact, are we claiming that Israel has fomented this attack for the purpose of justifying a military invasion of Gaza for the sake of gaining control over the resources in question? I by no means rule it out, but would need some convincing evidence in order to accept that it is so. The circumstance is not enough, curiously coincidental as I might otherwise find it.

Another point in this: As I have stated before, it is clear that this attack had been brewing a long time in terms of planning and logistics. One presumably does not just bring in huge shipments of ordnance into a place like Gaza, willy nilly, on the assumption that Israel will not notice. Israel could have been asleep at the wheel on this, but I find it unlikely. Hamas had help and plenty of it... but by whom? Israel? It is one thing to accept the possibility that Israel had goaded Hamas into action, only to play the victim in result. It is a far different animal altogether to suggest that Israel actively aided and abetted the attack, even of only to turn blind eyes to the actors who plotted, set up, and executed the assault. Once again, were it to be proven the case I would be in no measure surprised, but the evidence would have to be absolutely damning.

 

[acptulsa]

Oh hell, that's nothing to worry about. People are their own Memory Hole. They are because they don't want to remember if it is somehow inconvenient. They forget with eagerness...

Once again, were it to be proven the case I would be in no measure surprised, but the evidence would have to be absolutely damning.

Interesting post, if only because of where it begins and where it winds up. Well, we of the Ron Paul R3volution can be smug, we went out on that limb. But I can't see that either we or Europeans have any great sufficiency of population who have sense enough and balls enough to rock the boat.

 

[osan]

Interesting post, if only because of where it begins and where it winds up. Well, we of the Ron Paul R3volution can be smug, we went out on that limb. But I can't see that either we or Europeans have any great sufficiency of population who have sense enough and balls enough to rock the boat.

We don't. Hearken back to the adage about good times making weak men. We're there. I cannot say whether it was by design or just because humans, but Americans have had impossible loads of bullshit blown up their asses. A basic truth, American exceptionalism, was taken the wrong way. Instead of accepting that notion with grace and humility, far too many of us became, as you say, smug and boastful. Couple that with other factors such as the boredom that arises in people who don't know how to live the good life properly, and you end up where we now find ourselves. I see no big mystery there at all, though I do see much shame. We might have been so vastly better than we are, on the mean. One of the greatest shames, to my eyes, was that it didn't have to be this way. I really don't know where, when, or how we Americans went wrong, but that we fell for the bullshit that was shoveled at us is just tear-inspiring. We could easily blame the "left", and perhaps most of it lies there, what with their endless perversions of everything to which they turn their jaundiced eyes. But those of a more conservative bent aren't quite clean of hand either. At any rate it is difficult to determine who's guilty of what. The one thing I can say with confidence is that we all played our parts. The filthy hippies tried to do what they thought was the right thing, but sadly their basic understanding of the world and proper human relations was FUBAR'd... and it's been downhill ever since. And as you noted, our easy lives have bred the testes right out of us.

Sadly for me, God wired me for evidence and proof and so on, so I appear to be constitutionally incapable of the brands of faith I envy in so many Christians. I fully subscribe to the ethic, as it makes perfect sense to me. The rest... I just cant get there from here, but I do hope that what is promised proves true because we need the spanking for which we have been begging for so very long.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Very true. What was the real agenda? Follow the money and cui bono.
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As for the content of the video, I came to the conclusion a while ago that this was a kidnapping/hostage mission by Hamas. It is the only thing that makes sense. And the Biden Administration's repeated payoffs, prisoner exchanges and capitulations made it an urgent play, before Biden is out of office.

Cui bono...

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1718740220412064102