How bad is it for our plans if Romney receives 1,144 delegates?

That is essentially correct, as I see it, (that then Romney would win, not about voting for Santorum). At that point it would be more does Ron get plurality of 5 states so he can be nominated from the floor and speak (there is no 'deal' for a speaking slot necessary if he is nominated from the floor.)
 
That is the big thing, Romney saying 'I got that number' if he is counting winning, say NV and WA and ME might or might not be accurate since those delegates are unbound.
 
sailingaway said:
That is essentially correct, as I see it, (that then Romney would win, not about voting for Santorum). At that point it would be more does Ron get plurality of 5 states so he can be nominated from the floor and speak (there is no 'deal' for a speaking slot necessary if he is nominated from the floor.)
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I think we have to be real with ourselves.... In states where ron is clearly in fourt, but first place is up in the air , we can do more good by stopping mItt from winning.
 
CTRattlesnake said:
If Romney gets to 1144 we lose


End of story, he takes the nomination... Which is why I support strategic voting for sanatorum to stop mitt at all costs
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No. Absolutely not.

Voting for evil for "strategic reasons" is no better than voting for the "lesser of two evils", and it misses the point.

Every single vote is a referendum on where this country should be heading. Every vote for Ron Paul sends a pro-liberty message. Every vote for santorum sends a pro-tyranny, pro-spending, pro-war message.

Do not get sucked into their game. Never support evil, period. We do not need kniving people to try to manipulate the process. We need men and women of courage who will stand up for what is right, regardless of whether it's popular.
 
CTRattlesnake said:
I think we have to be real with ourselves.... In states where ron is clearly in fourt, but first place is up in the air , we can do more good by stopping mItt from winning.
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Ron was fourth in MO in the poll but wont be in delegates barring some odd twists yet to come. You have to be careful about deciding he is in fourth. In fourth WHERE? On the ground in the caucuses and conventions, if our guys would be squeezed out, they cut deals on the spot and I am sure all of the relevant factors are known to them.
 
It's game over at that point. Why else do you think the pressure is mounting on Santorum to get out? Why are they not calling on Gingrich or Paul to leave? Because they know that they need to acquire Santorum's delegates to end this. Like it or not, Santorum is the only thing preventing a pre-convention victory for Romney.

However that doesn't mean we should vote for him! By no means! We need to funnel 100% of our efforts into Paul's campaign.
 
tremendoustie said:
No. Absolutely not.

Voting for evil for "strategic reasons" is no better than voting for the "lesser of two evils", and it misses the point.

Every single vote is a referendum on where this country should be heading. Every vote for Ron Paul sends a pro-liberty message. Every vote for santorum sends a pro-tyranny, pro-spending, pro-war message.

Do not get sucked into their game. Never support evil, period. We do not need kniving people to try to manipulate the process. We need men and women of courage who will stand up for what is right, regardless of whether it's popular.
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Disagree strongly..... By strategically voting for Rick you are helping Paul more than actually voting for would.


Think about it... If mitt gets enough delegates it's over period, amen, goodnight. A strategic vote for sanatorum ends up helping the cause of liberty more than a vote for Paul does. No one is saying like what santorum stands for.... But sometimes it helps dr Paul
More if you vote Rick
 
sailingaway said:
That is the big thing, Romney saying 'I got that number' if he is counting winning, say NV and WA and ME might or might not be accurate since those delegates are unbound.
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We are fighting a war of perception here... The media doesn't give a you know what about local conventions... They only care about who "won" the beauty contest
 
We just need to get delegates. Do NOT follow the vote for Santorum plan if you don't know whether your state is a caucus or porportional state. Make sure to become a delegate. And don't make it obvious your a Ron Paul supporter.
 
gerryb said:
Votes don't choose delegates, conventions do.
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Sometimes votes choose delegates, as in Illinois winning a DISTRICT would have directly given Ron delegates, even if he were fourth in the state. And he is ignored more when his numbers are low. I think it is a dangerous strategy, and minimizes the importance of Ron's message. There may be a time or two I would think differently, but at the moment none occurs to me.
 
Athan said:
We just need to get delegates. Do NOT follow the vote for Santorum plan if you don't know whether your state is a caucus or porportional state. Make sure to become a delegate. And don't make it obvious your a Ron Paul supporter.
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Agreed... Hence why I label it a "strategic" plan
 
sailingaway said:
Sometimes votes choose delegates, as in Illinois winning a DISTRICT would have directly given Ron delegates, even if he were fourth in the state. And he is ignored more when his numbers are low. I think it is a dangerous strategy, and minimizes the importance of Ron's message. There may be a time or two I would think differently, but at the moment none occurs to me.
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Mississippi and Alabama were perfect
For the strategic santorum plan... But most times its at
A
Local level
 
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