That's what I think is going to happen. I think Romney will come up short. Close but short.
How bad is it for our plans if Romney receives 1,144 delegates?
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That's what I think is going to happen. I think Romney will come up short. Close but short.
The problem with this is that it doesn't even send a message. I think the odds of Dr. Paul winning are low enough now that the main point should be to show the GOP (and America as a while) how strong the libertarian party is, how it is growing, and how it will not go away.
Romney will likely win the mass majority of delegates from CA.
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I kind of see the brokered convention strategy (at this point) as being at odds with the long-term GOP strategy.
If we were to enter the convention having won multiple states outright, then it might be different.
Voting results, however, clearly show the GOP base as being much more in line with the likes of Romney and Santorum than our own values. We lack popular support within the party. If we succeed in having influence disproportion to our actual victories, I cannot imagine it helping our relationship long-term.
I wish we were not so limited by the party. We do amazing in polls directly against Obama.
If we were to enter the convention having won multiple states outright, then it might be different.
Voting results, however, clearly show the GOP base as being much more in line with the likes of Romney and Santorum than our own values. We lack popular support within the party. If we succeed in having influence disproportion to our actual victories, I cannot imagine it helping our relationship long-term.
I wish we were not so limited by the party. We do amazing in polls directly against Obama.
speciallyblend is being aptly succinct when tapping into what
the big Democrat war($)chest can do in media~blitzing mode.
I couldn't agree more. Could you imagine actually filling in the Romney bubble on an official ballot? I won't ask anybody to do that.
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I thought question was alternate plan if a Romney delegate win and that inferred are we going to focus on getting a vp we want or reforms in romney's ( GOP ) platform ? but ? right now let's cross that bridge if it comes and get Ron delegates to upset an open convention
Is there an alternate plan?
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Same as always - become precinct committee members, run and win state central committee positions, run and win chair, etc.
http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/Resources/files/The_Life_of_the_Party.pdf
i do think we need enough floorfights on the 2016 rules & all GOP planking to put us
before the nation as being totally 100% serious at gathering strength & momentum.
if we are near the halfway point and are loud inside the hall, we will get us a veep.
before the nation as being totally 100% serious at gathering strength & momentum.
if we are near the halfway point and are loud inside the hall, we will get us a veep.
Every vote for Romney is also a pro-tryanny, pro-spending, pro-war message. Romney is the one (not any OTHER candidate) who hired a group of "Vulcans" before he even STARTED campaigning. <George W. Bush did the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vulcans>
A previous post about Romney and his "advisers".
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?368131-Illinois-Results-Thread&p=4297793#post4297793
Even as governor of Massachusetts, Romney was anti-liberty and into going after Muslims: http://aboutmittromney.com/terrorism.htm
If voting against Santorum goes against anyone's conscience because of liberty and war issues, so should voting for Romney. Unfortunately because the final choice might come down to Romney (with his advisers--who like Bush's Vulcans will probably get cabinet positions) & Obama who followed in Bush's footsteps, we will be voting for George W. Bush A or George W. Bush B.
How bad is it if Romney receives 1,144 delegates? See above paragraph.
I cannot believe we could end up there and have been going over and over the possibilities in my mind thinking there HAS to be SOME way to make it come out different.
In my opinion
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One of our volunteers is a Grinch delegate. They were desperate to fill their slates and asked him. Traditionally, the delegate slots were filled with party insiders who just play in the "go along to get along" dog and pony show. Further, the documented dishonorable ways the establishment has been acting is doing far more harm to the establishment than the delegate strategy we are employing. The rank and file are seeing us getting screwed and many are coming our way over it
Yes, I imagine the Rules Committee will be a place we want a STRONG presence
<1144 for Romney is the game now. Voting for Santorum is one thing to do to achieve that. Focusing more on attacking Romney than hyping Paul is another.
Romney is worse than Santorum.
If Zakheim is an advisor to both Romney and Santorum, they're equally bad.
I haven't seen any evidence that Zakheim is also a Santorum advisor.
Romney is looking like Bush III. Zakheim is well known for misplacing 2.3 TRILLION dollars. That information was brought to light on 9/10/01.
The worst people and organizations support Romney.
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You can do what you want, but I plead with you all NOT to encourage others to be a party to this dishonorable nonsense. It's their game, and that's the point.
Stand on your principles and do what's right, not what is expedient. That type of behavior is exactly what we're trying to correct, not promote. Remember the old axiom: the road to hell is paved with good intentions. We talk a lot about unintended consequences stemming from the misdeeds of others, yet more often than not we fail to stand vigilant in the face of our own works as to prevent the same.
We're trying to achieve a goal. Gandhi didn't run for President.
RIGHT NOW, we're joining forces with other candidates to get delegates. We are currently voting for the other candidates delegates on slates.
This is no different, and it's accepted policy.
Keeping Romney <1144 is the goal, and if the situation calls for voting for Santorum, that's what the situation calls for.
I guess what you're suggesting is that we GOTV for Santorum?
I assume that you recognize that <1144 for Romney is the goal.
I don't see that you're suggesting anything new for <1144.
If you can come up with an additional plan to keep Romney <1144, that's great.
The more plans to keep Romney <1144 the better.
What we've been doing isn't working.
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