It is a scam. Thats the biggest reason for our health care problems.
Guns don't kill people, prescription SSRI's* do.
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It is a scam. Thats the biggest reason for our health care problems.
cbrons
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So if you or a family member was having a heart attack you wouldn't take them to a hospital? You'd take them to an Acupuncture-ist?
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Would you infer that those state-sanctioned and mandated (to practice) degrees confer more knowledge on the subject matter? It is fine to value a formal education but you know damn well that Michael Moore has no medical degrees! So what is the point of implying state-force supported prohibitions on the practice of medicine is a good thing?
If you don't like the inferences from my questions, consider the feeling mutal.
What happened to your nephew?
That doesn't mean an MD is useless or defective, it just mean it is state laws are using unneeded state sanctions. If anything, the system will still be the same. Exams, Residency, and more EVIDENCE/SCIENCE based learning. TO answer your question, Yes. Medicine is a science related field, if you have certification you should know better than laymen to what you are talking about. It is hard to get that credential. Cbrons (i assume) is a libertarian like you. I am sure he is against the state protectionism of medicine. But to glorify Noctors or alternative practitioners as better or more libertarian is foolish. If you want to MEANINGFULLY reform the system or challenge it, get your credentials (PhD, MD, both), spend some years in practice and reform it. Its better than shithead Noctors or fitness experts that write books about how great cholesterol is or how it is a conspiracy.
Cbrons, Diet and exercise would have fixed the problem. Nobody wants to do it thats why we put stents and give them lipitor.
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Diet soda in fact does cause obesity!
Diet Soda Linked To Weight Gain
TWO NEW STUDIES ON ASPARTAME AND DIET DRINKS CONFIRM SOURCE OF OBESITY, CANCER/ MALIGNANT BRAIN TUMOR EPIDEMICS.
Diet Sodas Linked to Increased Obesity, Diabetes
THE OBESITY EPIDEMIC:SHOULD WE BELIEVE WHAT WE READ AND HEAR
Study: Aspartame, saccharin cause greater weight gain than sugar
How Diet Foods and Drinks Can Actually Cause, NOT Prevent Diabetes
Can Diet Soda Make You Gain Weight?
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One just needs to follow the money...just like all the cancer institutes and mega cancer hospitals. If there were cures (which there are) then those BIG businesses lose-- followed by BIG pHARMa.
If a pharmaceutical cure for cancer came out, i guarantee you that company (janssen or Pfizer) would make SO MUCH MONEY! The cure to cancer would make A LOT for BIG PHARMA. Hell, 4 dollar generics don't hurt BIG Pharma, why should the cure to cancer.
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when I was in middle school they put me on medication to treat "ADD" After taking it for 3 days I refused to take it any longer because of how uncomfortable it made me feel. I literally felt like I had no soul.
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It's possible that a cure for cancer might not come from a lab or a pharmaceutical company at all. The old forest for the trees thing.
In fact, here is someone that claims Cannabis oil does just that- cure, or kill cancer cells. Now I know, that's preposterous. That is what even I would have thought just 10 years ago (2003- the year the federal government patented the use of the main ingredient in Cannabis-oh yes they did).
First, here's Rick Simpson with his Hemp Oil:
Here is a video that purports to show cancer cells actually being killed (or whatever) by THC-
http://thesethgroup.org/
SETH stands for Scientists Exploring Truth in Healing. We are an interdisciplinary team of scientists with the long-term goal of radically improving the health and survival of cancer patients. We seek to develop new models for cancer research based on compassion and open mindedness. Paying attention to what people with cancer are experiencing, our group focuses on ways to test promising new therapies that could be integrated with conventional treatments. We are open-minded skeptics and our goal is to find the evidence and act quickly to publish it in peer-reviewed scientific journals to make the information, positive or negative, available to the public.
All SETH Group scientists have formal appointments at academic medical centers or public health institutions. Access to state-of-the-art biotechnology allows our group to evaluate novel therapies using the same tests that an experimental chemotherapy would go through. We are able to recruit special expertise to projects through professional networks, thus adapting our scientific inquiry to follow where the data lead. This adaptability gives us an advantage when exploring new territories.
We recognize that the cure for cancer - or the key to peaceful co-existence with cancer - will not likely be as simple as taking a pill. We recognize spirituality as a potentially relevant dimension of the human experience that impacts health and healing. Along with this holistic approach, our group has a decidedly practical mission. We want to find out what people with cancer are using, whether anything works and, if yes, why. We are also interested in developing novel technologies to aid in the treatment of cancer. The well-being of people is the focus. We will proceed with all due skepticism but we are also fully prepared to report what we find.
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Other more conventional science backs up the basic premise:
From the National Cancer Institute at the National Institute of Health (.GOV)
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4
Antitumor Effects
One study in mice and rats suggested that cannabinoids may have a protective effect against the development of certain types of tumors.[3] During this 2-year study, groups of mice and rats were given various doses of THC by gavage. A dose-related decrease in the incidence of hepatic adenoma tumors and hepatocellular carcinoma was observed in the mice. Decreased incidences of benign tumors (polyps and adenomas) in other organs (mammary gland, uterus, pituitary, testis, and pancreas) were also noted in the rats. In another study, delta-9-THC, delta-8-THC, and cannabinol were found to inhibit the growth of Lewis lung adenocarcinoma cells in vitro and in vivo .[4] In addition, other tumors have been shown to be sensitive to cannabinoid-induced growth inhibition.[5-8]
Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] One review summarizes the molecular mechanisms of action of cannabinoids as antitumor agents.[13] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. These compounds have been shown to induce apoptosis in glioma cells in culture and induce regression of glioma tumors in mice and rats. Cannabinoids protect normal glial cells of astroglial and oligodendroglial lineages from apoptosis mediated by the CB1 receptor.[14]
The effects of delta-9-THC and a synthetic agonist of the CB2 receptor were investigated in hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC).[15] Both agents reduced the viability of hepatocellular carcinoma cells in vitro and demonstrated antitumor effects in hepatocellular carcinoma subcutaneous xenografts in nude mice. The investigations documented that the anti-HCC effects are mediated by way of the CB2 receptor. Similar to findings in glioma cells, the cannabinoids were shown to trigger cell death through stimulation of an endoplasmic reticulum stress pathway that activates autophagy and promotes apoptosis. Other investigations have confirmed that CB1 and CB2 receptors may be potential targets in non-small cell lung carcinoma [16] and breast cancer.[17]>>>MORE
(and now you know why the feds patented the use of cannabinoids)
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Harvard Study says Marijuana Cures Cancer
http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_helps_cure_cancer_says_harvard_study #ixzz19TMQ805v
Believe it or not, a Harvard study released on April 17, 2007 shows that the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread!
Researchers at Harvard tested the chemical THC in both lab and mouse studies. They say this is the first set of experiments to show that the compound, THC actually activates naturally produced receptors to fight off lung cancer. The researchers suggest that THC or other designer agents that activate these receptors might be used in a targeted fashion to treat lung cancer.
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Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/pot_shrinks_tumors;_government_knew_in_'74
In 1974 researchers learned that THC, the active chemical in marijuana, shrank or destroyed brain tumors in test mice. But the DEA quickly shut down the study and destroyed its results, which were never replicated -- until now.
The term medical marijuana took on dramatic new meaning in February, 2000 when researchers in Madrid announced they had destroyed incurable brain tumors in rats by injecting them with THC, the active ingredient in cannabis.
The Madrid study marks only the second time that THC has been administered to tumor-bearing animals; the first was a Virginia investigation 26 years ago. In both studies, the THC shrank or destroyed tumors in a majority of the test subjects.
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Marijuana Chemical May Fight Brain Cancer
Active Component In Marijuana Targets Aggressive Brain Cancer Cells, Study Says
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/brain-cancer/news/20090401/marijuana-chemical-may-fight-brain-cancer
April 1, 2009 -- The active chemical in marijuana promotes the death of brain cancer cells by essentially helping them feed upon themselves, researchers in Spain report.
Guillermo Velasco and colleagues at Complutense University in Spain have found that the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, causes brain cancer cells to undergo a process called autophagy. Autophagy is the breakdown of a cell that occurs when the cell essentially self-digests.
The team discovered that cannabinoids such as THC had anticancer effects in mice with human brain cancer cells and people with brain tumors. When mice with the human brain cancer cells received the THC, the tumor growth shrank.
Two patients enrolled in a clinical trial received THC directly to the brain as an experimental treatment for recurrent glioblastoma multiforme, a highly aggressive brain tumor. Biopsies taken before and after treatment helped track their progress. After receiving the THC, there was evidence of increased autophagy activity.
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THC cuts lung cancer growth, spread
http://scienceblog.com/18538/thc-cuts-lung-cancer-growth-spread/
The active ingredient in marijuana cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread, say researchers at Harvard University who tested the chemical in both lab and mouse studies.
They say this is the first set of experiments to show that the compound, Delta-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), inhibits EGF-induced growth and migration in epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR) expressing non-small cell lung cancer cell lines. Lung cancers that over-express EGFR are usually highly aggressive and resistant to chemotherapy.
THC that targets cannabinoid receptors CB1 and CB2 is similar in function to endocannabinoids, which are cannabinoids that are naturally produced in the body and activate these receptors. The researchers suggest that THC or other designer agents that activate these receptors might be used in a targeted fashion to treat lung cancer.>>>MORE
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You are missing the point. You do acupuncture ahead of time to prevent the heart attack or strokes etc.
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There is cure(s) but the only problem is BIG pHARMa cannot corner it all to themselves. So the multinational pharmaceutical Companies commence in 'scare tactics' over Cannabis sativa, and they do the same for B-17 (Laetrile). They have enough money to lobby and own politicians. If you cannot see that, then you are NOT paying attention.
Again, imagine if these cures were put in place--the domino effect that would happen would be stupendous. All those mega Cancer hospitals and cancer treatment centers would be worthless and would go out of business because no one would need them!
Sources:
http://worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/ultimateconspiracy.html
http://worldwithoutcancer.org.uk/success.html
http://www.anticancerinfo.co.uk/b17_therapy.html
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Yep and yep. Cancer is BIG BUSINESS.
IMAGINE U.S. GDP WITHOUT CRIME...without SPENDING by Crooks AND THEIR FAMILIES, without derivative boons to OUR notorious Legal System, to Incarceration Incorporated, and to the Entertainment Sector.
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Yes, I would. I would say a medical degree or a pharmacy degree or a PhD in pharmacology would make you more knowledgeable than a lay person ranting on the internet. The fact that is "state sanctioned" doesn't change that.
I implied nothing of the sort. What I did mean to imply was that as far as these threads demonizing psychiatry and drugs is concerned, I see them as nothing more than hysteria from mostly uneducated people who have no qualifications whatsoever to speak with any credibility on the issue.
Your n=1 experience with any given drug doesn't make you expert on how that drug works or for whom it may or may not be right.
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I would be a lot of money you don't know what a vitamin is.
Heh I looked at your worldwithoutcancer site and right there on the "ultimate conspiracy" page it has this brilliant gem:
"The trophoblast in pregnancy indeed does exhibit all the classical characteristics of cancer. It spreads and multiplies rapidly as it eats its way into the uterus wall preparing a place where the embryo can attach itself for maternal protection and nourishment."
^ 100% false
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Stunning proof of this claim is readily available. All trophoblast cells produce a unique hormone called the chorionic gonadotrophic (CGH) which is easily detected in urine. Thus if a person is either pregnant or has cancer, a simple CGH pregnancy test should confirm either or both. It does, with an accuracy of better than 92% in all cases. If the urine sample shows positive it means either normal pregnancy or abnormal malignant cancer. Griffin notes: "If the patient is a woman, she either is pregnant or has cancer. If he is a man, cancer can be the only cause." So why all of the expensive, dangerous biopsies carried to 'detect' cancerous growths? One can only assume that Medicare pays doctors a larger fee for biopsies than pregnancy tests.
Hahaha this is also 100% incorrect and even 1st year medical students could intuit why this is rubbish before midterms of 1st semester. hCG can be a marker for cancers of the germ line, but certainly not all types of cancer.
I mean imagine if all that was needed to detect and stage cancer was serum or urine hCG levels. we could have people pee on a stick or for more accuracy, get a routine blood test. Gee I wonder how such a simple diagnostic tool escaped the notice of all those MD/PhD physician-scientists who spent entire careers on cancer staging research.
The people who run that site should be tarred and feathered. How embarrassing. You do know most of these so-called cures are pushed by con-men trying to take money from sick people, right? Oh but that's not a conspiracy because they put the label "all natural" on it. Or it makes you high, so that means it's good.
Hahaha this is also 100% incorrect and even 1st year medical students could intuit why this is rubbish before midterms of 1st semester. hCG can be a marker for cancers of the germ line, but certainly not all types of cancer.
I mean imagine if all that was needed to detect and stage cancer was serum or urine hCG levels. we could have people pee on a stick or for more accuracy, get a routine blood test. Gee I wonder how such a simple diagnostic tool escaped the notice of all those MD/PhD physician-scientists who spent entire careers on cancer staging research.
The people who run that site should be tarred and feathered. How embarrassing. You do know most of these so-called cures are pushed by con-men trying to take money from sick people, right? Oh but that's not a conspiracy because they put the label "all natural" on it. Or it makes you high, so that means it's good.
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trophoblast (trf-blst)
The outermost layer of cells of the blastocyst, which attaches the fertilized ovum to the uterine wall and serves as a nutritive pathway for the embryo. The trophoblast eventually differentiates into such tissues as the amnion, the placenta, and the umbilical cord.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trophoblast
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Unlike you i don't have to rely on thefreedictionary.com, since I took both Embryology and Genetics (covers cancer) in medical school. And not a quack degree mill calling itself a "medical" school. I mean an actual US M.D. school: a place where they make you take very difficult classes after only letting about 10% of the people who apply in, where they have classes taught by actual PhD researchers at the top of their fields.
The trophoblast doesn't exhibit "all of the classical characteristics of cancer."
I'll give it to you in a nutshell. Cancer = Wildly unregulated cell growth. Embryogenesis = Very, very, very highly regulated cell growth and differentiation. (Among many other differences).
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A story ran he was on a psychotropic med called Fanapt, which has side effects of increased aggression, violence and suicidal tendancies. However you'll have to decide if the sources are legitimate.
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d...87,d.b2U&fp=acbfb5709eb9abcc&biw=1280&bih=865
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Con-men? Huh? G. Edward Griffin is considered a con-man? G. Edward Griffin has been instrumental in waking people up about the Federal Reserve. He also is instrumental in waking people up to the conspiracy about Cancer. So you ought to research it before you make your typical indoctrinated comments.
http://www.realityzone.com/worwitcan.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/012923.html
http://archive.org/details/World_Without_Cancer