Guns don't kill people, prescription SSRI's* do.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

It’s possible this issue can be skirted merely by affirming that a gun-applicant has seen a psychiatrist at some point in time—which fact could exclude him from purchasing a weapon.

Exactly. Or they'll just exclude that from confidentiality.

I mean, really, they already have regular doctors asking people if they own guns. If a doctor asked me that, my gun and I would quickly go find another doctor. I'm not seeing a general practitioner because I have firearms issues. wtf? If they just want to go fishing, there must be 20 bigger fish.

 

[donnay]

I'll bet you $100.00 via paypal right now that Ron Paul does not believe that Vitamin B17 (and its not a vitamin btw) cures cancer. And I have a friend who works for a republican on capital hill who can ask Rand who can ask his father.

What I believe, and what Ron Paul believes, is that you can use it if you want and the FDA doesn't have the right or Constitutional authority to stand in your way. Big difference.

So you seemingly think you know the mind of Dr. Ron Paul, even though he continuously bucks against the establishment?

Again let me reiterate a point that you have decided to overlook. G. Edward Griffin exposed the Federal Reserve with his book; The Creature from Jekyll Island. This book also influenced Dr. Paul's thinking on the Federal Reserve. Dr. Paul's book, The Revolution: A Manifesto, Dr. Paul recommends reading G. Edward Griffin's book, The Creature from Jekyll Island.

So if I was a betting woman, I would bet that Dr. Paul is familiar with the research and documentation of G. Edward Griffins other works.

The word B-17 was coined by biochemist Ernst T. Krebs. Just like Vitamin D3 isn't really a vitamin at all it is a hormone--but people still call it a vitamin--even the allopathic community.

 

[cbrons]

Well let me clear up two things for you.

First, Ron Paul is not the boss of me. So if he isn't, then you can be extra damned sure Rand isn't. And I'm pretty sure they're not the boss of donnay either.

Second, since I don't constrain myself to the box of what Ron Paul believes, I've made the determination that when I break a pint glass and cut my hand so badly that I can see the fat around my thumb, but I'm not bleeding out, I do not need to see someone who spent a couple years getting versed in internal medicine, obstetrics, proctology, oncology, dermatology, podiatry, or any other field relating to anything other than stitching flesh together.

I do not need to wait two hours to get this done. I do not need to see someone with an advanced degree. I do not need to fill out reams of paperwork. And I sure as shit don't need to be not continuing to drink the entire time.

I need to pay someone to put three stitches in, or determine what will best heal. I need to get this done in a half hour and I need to pay $50 for it. If I'm in a high cost of living area, I need to get it done in the same half hour and perhaps get somewhat annoyed at the fact that it cost $100 and then ultimately resign myself to the fact that I had the bad fortune to get injured on Manhattan island.

There is no constitutional authority to prevent individual states from mandating that people who have had eight grueling years of training be the ones to sew my hand together, thus extending the process time by 400% and cost by 800-1000%.
And here we are.

It has been at least 20 years since any of you has done anything but waste my time.
So forgive me if I don't just gobble up everything physicians have to say about SSRIs.

I never said RP is anyones boss or that you should see a doctor. I don't even know if you are talking to me though

 

[cbrons]

The word B-17 was coined by biochemist Ernst T. Krebs. Just like Vitamin D3 isn't really a vitamin at all it is a hormone--but people still call it a vitamin--even the allopathic community.

He called it a vitamin so it could be sold to people who think the label "vitamin" means it's good and safe. There's a sucker born every minute.

 

[cbrons]

So you seemingly think you know the mind of Dr. Ron Paul, even though he continuously bucks against the establishment?

Again let me reiterate a point that you have decided to overlook. G. Edward Griffin exposed the Federal Reserve with his book; The Creature from Jekyll Island. This book also influenced Dr. Paul's thinking on the Federal Reserve. Dr. Paul's book, The Revolution: A Manifesto, Dr. Paul recommends reading G. Edward Griffin's book, The Creature from Jekyll Island.

OOOO!!! He wrote a good book on another topic so that must mean everything he says on everything is right!! #donnay_logic

 

[Brian4Liberty]

After Sandy Hook: How Psychiatrists Will Become Policemen
http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/rappoport6.1.1.html

Very good point. Because of the war on drugs, Doctors already violate their Hippocratic Oath and act as Police. The war on guns will be another nail in the coffin of the medical profession. They will become nothing more than an arm of the state. Another TSA. It all comes together. Government health care, doing double duty as the eyes and ears of the state.

So let's examine this further. Did the medical personnel violate the Oath of Hippocrates, and Doctor-Patient confidentiality?

So it seems clear that this case would be a violation of patient confidentiality. How can thousands of years of medical ethics be thrown out the window?

Oh yes, there are exceptions to the rule. Now what could those exceptions possibly be?

Well, imagine that? Thousands of years of medical ethics, superceded by the war on drugs and "balancing the state's interest".

http://www.enotes.com/healthcare-reference/doctor-patient-confidentiality

 

[pochy1776]

Very good point. Because of the war on drugs, Doctors already violate their Hippocratic Oath and act as Police. The war on guns will be another nail in the coffin of the medical profession. They will become nothing more than an arm of the state. Another TSA. It all comes together. Government health care, doing double duty as the eyes and ears of the state.

Sadly your'e right on that account. Doctors will have to become employees of the state. Our stupid government loves this shit.

 

[pochy1776]

OOOO!!! He wrote a good book on another topic so that must mean everything he says on everything is right!! #donnay_logic

Don't stoop to that level of insulting, no matter how awesome it feels. I got in trouble with that once on the forum.

 

[donnay]

He called it a vitamin so it could be sold to people who think the label "vitamin" means it's good and safe. There's a sucker born every minute.

Again Vitamin D3 is not a vitamin at all...but most call it a vitamin. Your point is lame.

 

[donnay]

OOOO!!! He wrote a good book on another topic so that must mean everything he says on everything is right!! #donnay_logic

And by your logic you think you know the mind of Dr. Paul and that he is against anything to do with Laetrile treatments. This seems to be the REAL problem with those who are indoctrinated in Allopathic medicine--they tend not to step out of the box and research for themselves.

 

[pochy1776]

And by your logic you think you know the mind of Dr. Paul and that he is against anything to do with Laetrile treatments. This seems to be the REAL problem with those who are indoctrinated in Allopathic medicine--they tend not to step out of the box and research for themselves.

No, because we're too bust in labs, writing journals and doing epidemiology. While other "researchers" lack the certain tools depending on their computers and non accredited books.

 

[pochy1776]

And by your logic you think you know the mind of Dr. Paul and that he is against anything to do with Laetrile treatments. This seems to be the REAL problem with those who are indoctrinated in Allopathic medicine--they tend not to step out of the box and research for themselves.

Notice how i don;t negrep

 

[donnay]

No, because we're too bust in labs, writing journals and doing epidemiology. While other "researchers" lack the certain tools depending on their computers and non accredited books.

*Smacks hand to forehead* Oh! that's right I forget how righteous you guys are. Mea Culpa...Maximum Mea Culpa. <Sarcasm OFF>

 

[cbrons]

And by your logic you think you know the mind of Dr. Paul and that he is against anything to do with Laetrile treatments. This seems to be the REAL problem with those who are indoctrinated in Allopathic medicine--they tend not to step out of the box and research for themselves.

Do research for themselves? Are you kidding me? Do you consider reading Natural News and InfoWars to be "research"?

I pretend to know his mind? LOL! You're the one who said he is in favor of your idiotic fake vitamin treatments in the first place! I countered by pointing out that he is a doctor and a libertarian constitutionalist who would naturally support one's right to take whatever agent they want for whatever reason. The fact that he supports a bill for health freedom doesn't mean he supports the fake vitamin racket that all of you self-righteous health conspiracy psychos think are so great.

You want to hit a bong 5 times a day because you think it'll cure cancer or some other chronic illness? Go ahead! I couldn't care less. But stop demonizing people who follow the advice of actual doctors (not morons with personality disorders who write fake health websites in their basement).

"Laetrile" is a fake trade name for a fake vitamin. If you want to take it and give yourself a nice cyanide poisoning, that's within your right to do so. Don't expect me or other people with more than a wikipedia search/Alex Jones talking points education to sit here, smile, and nod at your stupidity.

 

[pcosmar]

Are you kidding me? Do you consider reading Natural News and InfoWars to be "research"?

No, I consider them to be publishing the research of others.

Perhaps YOU are confused by the difference.

 

[pochy1776]

*Smacks hand to forehead* Oh! that's right I forget how righteous you guys are. Mea Culpa...Maximum Mea Culpa. <Sarcasm OFF>

No, I am just being an asshole. This all started because Forum memebrs say i can;t have a gun due to me taking Pimozide. I have recently made some pretty bad comments and i am a very bad representative to the skeptic community. If you can send me links on your evidence, i thought i could have done the same. I recently reflected on my bad behaviour and realized i could have been much nicer. I am very sorry Donnay. How is New Hampshire.

Just do me a favor read this.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-dsm-v/

I did not mean to be so mean or facetious like i have been acting like for the past few days. But these topics hit close to home. I never did mean to discredit you Donnay, i just thought you lacked some science education. I realized that was demeaning. When i voiced my anger at you, you were very kind. When you voiced it at me, i was a brutal asshole. Please forgive me. (no sarcasm).

 

[pochy1776]

Hmm...... Their not a place like the Lancet or JAMA. THey seem to have some agendas.

 

[fisharmor]

But stop demonizing people who follow the advice of actual doctors (not morons with personality disorders who write fake health websites in their basement).

Well I was not demonizing people who follow doctors' advice... I was demonizing doctors.
Take a quick break from olfactorily sampling your own flatulence and you might recognize that Natural News is not the cause for people demonizing doctors, but is instead a reaction people are having to the piss poor service they're getting in mainstream medicine.

 

[cbrons]

you might recognize that Natural News is not the cause for people demonizing doctors, but is instead a reaction people are having to the piss poor service they're getting in mainstream medicine.

So you think these hack websites run by unqualified arm chair healthcare providers who write one idiotic article after another lamenting some vast conspiracy between MDs and "Big Pharma" has no effect on the average idiot who decides that instead of seeing a cardiologist, they'll go see a Shaman who can do a dance around them with ju-ju beeds or take ultra high (useless) doses of Vitamin C for their heart problem?

The piss poor service in mainstream medicine is caused by government. Absent a 3rd party payer system (private or public) you'd see much higher quality of care in all fields of medicine. Go to a so-called "concierge" doctor and you'll have the medical care that a first world country should be able to provide, but due to quotas, paperwork, and other bureaucratic BS, a 10min H&P is really all your average government/insurance doctor has time for if he wants to clear enough in income to pay back hundreds of thousands in loans and taxes... thats if they even have a choice in the matter, usually the hospital or physician group forces them to clear people in and out as fast as possible so it doesn't even matter what they want.

 

[Peace Piper]

You want to hit a bong 5 times a day because you think it'll cure cancer or some other chronic illness? Go ahead! I couldn't care less. .

Who the hell ever said that here? Please cite the quote. TIA

You obviously missed seeing every single credible quote I posted in #90 on this thread where research shows that the substance called THC has been shown to reduce tumors. By credible scientists. They weren't talking about smoking a bong. Cripes does anyone ever read previous posts?