Guns don't kill people, prescription SSRI's* do.

[tttppp]

Yes, I would. I would say a medical degree or a pharmacy degree or a PhD in pharmacology would make you more knowledgeable than a lay person ranting on the internet. The fact that is "state sanctioned" doesn't change that.



I implied nothing of the sort. What I did mean to imply was that as far as these threads demonizing psychiatry and drugs is concerned, I see them as nothing more than hysteria from mostly uneducated people who have no qualifications whatsoever to speak with any credibility on the issue.

Your n=1 experience with any given drug doesn't make you expert on how that drug works or for whom it may or may not be right.

I have seen numerous people on these psychiatric drugs. Almost all of them are suffering from problems caused by the medications and their initial problems are far from cured. I have yet to say about a psych patient "wow, I want a body like that."

Psychiatrists are just delusional about what they are doing for their patients. Offering a slight improvement in their thinking in exchange for destroying your body is not a cure. Yet they still think they are curing them.

 

[tttppp]

Unlike you i don't have to rely on thefreedictionary.com, since I took both Embryology and Genetics (covers cancer) in medical school. And not a quack degree mill calling itself a "medical" school. I mean an actual US M.D. school: a place where they make you take very difficult classes after only letting about 10% of the people who apply in, where they have classes taught by actual PhD researchers at the top of their fields.

The trophoblast doesn't exhibit "all of the classical characteristics of cancer."

I'll give it to you in a nutshell. Cancer = Wildly unregulated cell growth. Embryogenesis = Very, very, very highly regulated cell growth and differentiation. (Among many other differences).

How many cures have your teachers developed?

 

[cbrons]

A story ran he was on a psychotropic med called Fanapt, which has side effects of increased aggression, violence and suicidal tendancies. However you'll have to decide if the sources are legitimate.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d...87,d.b2U&fp=acbfb5709eb9abcc&biw=1280&bih=865

From: http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanza-taking-antipsychotic-fanapt-2012-12#ixzz2HzDupSev

"Inside the piece though they report Adam Lanza's uncle said the boy was prescribed Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine.

UPDATE: Since the publishing of this article, New York Daily News has removed the reference, the originator of the quote from Lanza's "uncle," because they believed him to be an "imposter."

 

[Lucille]

Fred:

Big Pharma is too important to die. Kids don’t seem to be.

That about sums it up.

But let’s ask the question which, being critical, ain’t asked. I suppose it makes no sense to confuse ourselves with the essentials of things. Anyway, why have American school boys, who in my rural Virginia high-school of 1964 were armed to the eyeballs with deer guns and varmint rifles, and never shot anybody intentionally or accidentally, or had the idea pass through their whirring libido-crazed minds, if any—suddenly start shooting their friends in school? Why now?

 

[fisharmor]

Physicians today don't give 1 hour sessions like natruopathic or homeopathic healers. (i refuse to call them Physicians.)

Medical school is a post college 4 year degree. Years 1-2 is a basic/advanced science course filled with anatomy, biochemistry, microbiology, pathology and pharmacology. You will then have to pass an exam called Step 1. Year 3 is when you go into clerkships, where you learn EVERY relevant medical field. Internal Medicine, General Surgery, Neurology, Obstetrics and Gynecology, Psychiatry and Pediatrics. Fourth Year, you will go through clinical electives or research projects. You will then have to Take Step 2 which includes Clinical Knowledge and Clinical Skills. It is only offered in five cities: Philidelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, and LA. You will then MATCH (thats right, your specialty is chosen for you, But you get interviewed at a job you like) into your program (Harvard and Johns Hopkins are the most prestigious)do a 1 year internship and then a 3-7 year Residency. Most are completed in 4-5 years. During then, you work your ass off to prove to everyone else that you are a competent doctor. You will then have to pass a board exam (Step 3.) After a few years in working your ass off, You will then take the Board Certification Exam given by your State Board and then your Specialty Exams Given by your Specialty Board. You will complete Residency and try to get a job as an attending, where you will have to be responsible for teaching and being competent. Remember, you will have to do recertification every few years or so. Unless you get grandfathered in. So, This is how a doctor is trained. Its Not sodamn easy as everyone thinks it is. If you want to reform medicine or make it better. Get your credentials (as i am currently) and reform it. As you see it sucks being a doctor. I'm still surprised people want to do it.

Yeah, it's so stringent that when I go to the doctor I end up seeing a nurse practitioner for most of my time, and when I do see a doctor he doesn't look me in the eye, scribbles a bunch of chickenshit on a clipboard, tells me some platitude like how the intense pain in my foot is because "you know you're in your 30s now and stuff like this happens", suggests I do something exactly the opposite of what eventually makes it go away, and leaves a whopping 2 minutes later to bill me several hundred dollars.....

....and this is the guy I'm supposed to trust to make a valid diagnosis?

 

[tttppp]

Yeah, it's so stringent that when I go to the doctor I end up seeing a nurse practitioner for most of my time, and when I do see a doctor he doesn't look me in the eye, scribbles a bunch of chickenshit on a clipboard, tells me some platitude like how the intense pain in my foot is because "you know you're in your 30s now and stuff like this happens", suggests I do something exactly the opposite of what eventually makes it go away, and leaves a whopping 2 minutes later to bill me several hundred dollars.....

....and this is the guy I'm supposed to trust to make a valid diagnosis?

Thats exactly how it really is.

 

[tttppp]

Did you even read my post? Or are you so in love with unregulated (not always a good thing) QUACKS whose science education only include high school biology.

No. Not Cancer, Tourettes, Schizophrenia, Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Hypertension, Osteoporosis, Sickle Cell Anemia, Cerebral Palsy and Celiacs. I am starting a lot of people take medicine for granted. CANCER MORTALITY IS DOWN, Schizophrenia can now be fixed (Most mental hospitals are now empty because of the wonders of SSRI's and antipsychotics. Talk to a damn mental patient pre drug and post drug), Those with Celiacs can now live like normal people, People can be obese and have a healthy heart,I don't tick anymore.

Those are not cures. And read my posts. I have talked to plenty of mental patients. I never would have known they were cured by looking at them.

 

[pochy1776]

Con-men? Huh? G. Edward Griffin is considered a con-man? G. Edward Griffin has been instrumental in waking people up about the Federal Reserve. He also is instrumental in waking people up to the conspiracy about Cancer. So you ought to research it before you make your typical indoctrinated comments.

http://www.realityzone.com/worwitcan.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/012923.html
http://archive.org/details/World_Without_Cancer

Cbrons runs a radio show that blasts the establishment. Just because you don;t like EBM, it doesn't mean he is indoctrinated.

 

[pochy1776]

Yeah, it's so stringent that when I go to the doctor I end up seeing a nurse practitioner for most of my time, and when I do see a doctor he doesn't look me in the eye, scribbles a bunch of chickenshit on a clipboard, tells me some platitude like how the intense pain in my foot is because "you know you're in your 30s now and stuff like this happens", suggests I do something exactly the opposite of what eventually makes it go away, and leaves a whopping 2 minutes later to bill me several hundred dollars.....

....and this is the guy I'm supposed to trust to make a valid diagnosis?

Find a better doctor. Doctors also tend not to waste time on healthy patients. Find another doctor, its a free market (whats left of it.)

Zoc Doc is good place to find a good doctor.

 

[pochy1776]

Those are not cures. And read my posts. I have talked to plenty of mental patients. I never would have known they were cured by looking at them.

Facepalm. And how did you "talk" condescendingly or were you on a tour in the hospital.

 

[pochy1776]

Question to all the pissed off people:

Does believing in Natural health and pissing off and screaming at allopathic medicine Make you a better libertarian? Does believing in Science and evidenced Based medicine make you less of a libertarian?

 

[cbrons]

Question to all the pissed off people:

Does believing in Natural health and pissing off and screaming at allopathic medicine Make you a better libertarian? Does believing in Science and evidenced Based medicine make you less of a libertarian?

Before I started (allopathic) medical school, I sent a lab coat down to Washington D.C. to a high school friend who works on capital hill to get 2 signatures for me:

Rand Paul, M.D.
Ron Paul, M.D.

I'd say since both are practitioners of allopathic medicine, we can safely say that not supporting quackery at the very least isn't a strike against you

 

[pochy1776]

Before I started (allopathic) medical school, I sent a lab coat down to Washington D.C. to a high school friend who works on capital hill to get 2 signatures for me:

Rand Paul, M.D.
Ron Paul, M.D.

I'd say since both are practitioners of allopathic medicine, we can safely say that not supporting quackery at the very least isn't a strike against you

I hate getting into argument with most people on here, But despite my douchey and ass backwards tone to good people like Donnay and tttppp, i am not banned. Thats why like RPF a lot. Its better than most forums. I am also considering to move to new hampshire.

 

[donnay]

Before I started (allopathic) medical school, I sent a lab coat down to Washington D.C. to a high school friend who works on capital hill to get 2 signatures for me:

Rand Paul, M.D.
Ron Paul, M.D.

I'd say since both are practitioners of allopathic medicine, we can safely say that not supporting quackery at the very least isn't a strike against you

Dr. Paul is the biggest advocate for health freedom--He introduced two bills in 2007: The Health Freedom Protection Act, HR 2117, to ensure Americans can receive truthful health information about supplements and natural remedies. The Medical Treatment Act, H.R. 2717, which expands the ability of Americans to use alternative medicine and new treatments. Including medical marijuana.

Dr. Paul opposed all legislation that expands the FDA powers. He also opposed the Homeland Security Bill, H.R. 5005, which, in section 304, authorizes the forced vaccination of American citizens against small pox. Dr. Paul said the government should NEVER have the power to force vaccines on anyone!

 

[cbrons]

Dr. Paul is the biggest advocate for health freedom--He introduced two bills in 2007: The Health Freedom Protection Act, HR 2117, to ensure Americans can receive truthful health information about supplements and natural remedies. The Medical Treatment Act, H.R. 2717, which expands the ability of Americans to use alternative medicine and new treatments. Including medical marijuana.

Dr. Paul opposed all legislation that expands the FDA powers. He also opposed the Homeland Security Bill, H.R. 5005, which, in section 304, authorizes the forced vaccination of American citizens against small pox. Dr. Paul said the government should NEVER have the power to force vaccines on anyone!

And your point is what? That I oppose those things?

Doesn't matter to me if you think smoking weed is going to cure cancer. Knock yourself out, man.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

 

[donnay]

And your point is what? That I oppose those things?

Doesn't matter to me if you think smoking weed is going to cure cancer. Knock yourself out, man.

You opposed so-called quackery, yet Dr. Ron Paul doesn't.

 

[cbrons]

You opposed so-called quackery, yet Dr. Ron Paul doesn't.

I'll bet you $100.00 via paypal right now that Ron Paul does not believe that Vitamin B17 (and its not a vitamin btw) cures cancer. And I have a friend who works for a republican on capital hill who can ask Rand who can ask his father.

What I believe, and what Ron Paul believes, is that you can use it if you want and the FDA doesn't have the right or Constitutional authority to stand in your way. Big difference.

 

[fisharmor]

I'll bet you $100.00 via paypal right now that Ron Paul does not believe that Vitamin B17 (and its not a vitamin btw) cures cancer. And I have a friend who works for a republican on capital hill who can ask Rand who can ask his father.

What I believe, and what Ron Paul believes, is that you can use it if you want and the FDA doesn't have the right or Constitutional authority to stand in your way. Big difference.

Well let me clear up two things for you.

First, Ron Paul is not the boss of me. So if he isn't, then you can be extra damned sure Rand isn't. And I'm pretty sure they're not the boss of donnay either.

Second, since I don't constrain myself to the box of what Ron Paul believes, I've made the determination that when I break a pint glass and cut my hand so badly that I can see the fat around my thumb, but I'm not bleeding out, I do not need to see someone who spent a couple years getting versed in internal medicine, obstetrics, proctology, oncology, dermatology, podiatry, or any other field relating to anything other than stitching flesh together.

I do not need to wait two hours to get this done. I do not need to see someone with an advanced degree. I do not need to fill out reams of paperwork. And I sure as shit don't need to be not continuing to drink the entire time.

I need to pay someone to put three stitches in, or determine what will best heal. I need to get this done in a half hour and I need to pay $50 for it. If I'm in a high cost of living area, I need to get it done in the same half hour and perhaps get somewhat annoyed at the fact that it cost $100 and then ultimately resign myself to the fact that I had the bad fortune to get injured on Manhattan island.

There is no constitutional authority to prevent individual states from mandating that people who have had eight grueling years of training be the ones to sew my hand together, thus extending the process time by 400% and cost by 800-1000%.
And here we are.

It has been at least 20 years since any of you has done anything but waste my time.
So forgive me if I don't just gobble up everything physicians have to say about SSRIs.

 

[Lucille]

After Sandy Hook: How Psychiatrists Will Become Policemen
http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/rappoport6.1.1.html

Obama, in the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, stated that mental-health services must be made more available, presumably to stave off future killers.

Of course, this is monstrously wrong, since so many killers have acted under the compelling influence of SSRI antidepressants and other brain meds. The drugs are known to induce violence.

More mental health means more murders.

Now we hear that Joe Biden’s presidential task force on gun control is meeting with psychiatrists (backup link on infowars.com here). Here is what they’re discussing:

Databases. They want to tighten background checks on people who buy guns, and the checks could include discovering whether applicants have ever been under psychiatric care, and if so, what diagnosis(es) was made.

In order to do that, there will have to be a comprehensive database and a tracking system that extends into, and from, every psychiatrist’s front desk. Law-enforcement will have access to that database.

What happened to doctor-patient confidentiality? It’s possible this issue can be skirted merely by affirming that a gun-applicant has seen a psychiatrist at some point in time—which fact could exclude him from purchasing a weapon.

Organized psychiatry would, of course welcome a comprehensive database of Americans who have obtained psychiatric care. It makes their profession seem even more official than it already is. And it imparts a tinge of USSR-like power.

The implication: “We know who you are. We know you’ve been under the care of a psychiatrist. Wherever you live and work, we can call you crazy if we want to.”...