Guns don't kill people, prescription SSRI's* do.

Thats bs. Virtually all medication is bad for you whether you get a benefit or not. Some may get the desired result, but most will get unpleasant side effects. Thats very common in the mental health industry. Plus why the hell would someone with MILD depression take SSRIs? How stupid can you be? You really dont understand this topic. There is no such thing as drugs that a beneficial for you. You dont just take drugs because they are good for you, because they aren't. Ask your friends with mild depression if its worth it to become impotent and gain lots of weight they will never get rid of.

No. Not virtually all medication is bad for you. No.

On the other hand, I believe that the anti depressants and other psychiatric drugs are the worst things you can give to somebody who is hurting or in pain, with some exceptions. My wife took a very mild anti-depressant when she went through a tough time, and it helped her. She got better, and stopped taking them. However, the bad cases are a whole different story. Some people who have never been suicidial or violent suddenly become so when they take these drugs, and the blame lies soley on the pharmaceuticals that create them, and sell them without fully warning about the negative side effects. The doctors don't closely monitor the patients, and the communities bear the weight of the pain when someone gets their chemicals out of wack.

But no, not all drugs are bad. I had high blood pressure a while back, took some blood pressure medicine and it fixed within a few weeks. Watched my diet since, and have never had blood pressure problems since.
 
One thing about SSRIs is this... notice that the "gun control" bullshit keeps mentioning mental health issues.

What about this proposal... If you have EVER been prescribed drugs such as anti-depressants, or anti-psychotics, or bigfuckyouupamine, then you will be ineligible for legal firearms possession.

That's quite possibly where this could be headed. I don't like it. Being that "doctors" hand out SSRIs like candy, a very small percentage of those who have taken SSRIs shoot up schools.
 
No. Not virtually all medication is bad for you. No.

On the other hand, I believe that the anti depressants and other psychiatric drugs are the worst things you can give to somebody who is hurting or in pain, with some exceptions. My wife took a very mild anti-depressant when she went through a tough time, and it helped her. She got better, and stopped taking them. However, the bad cases are a whole different story. Some people who have never been suicidial or violent suddenly become so when they take these drugs, and the blame lies soley on the pharmaceuticals that create them, and sell them without fully warning about the negative side effects. The doctors don't closely monitor the patients, and the communities bear the weight of the pain when someone gets their chemicals out of wack.

But no, not all drugs are bad. I had high blood pressure a while back, took some blood pressure medicine and it fixed within a few weeks. Watched my diet since, and have never had blood pressure problems since.

Whether you notice it or not, pretty much all medication has side effects. If you are perfectly healthy, you wont notice them as much, but it still hurts your body. Western medicine just doesnt have the ability to detect small changes in your body.

And virtually none of the medication in western medicine corrects the problem. They only work when you take them. Once you stop, you are on your own.
 
Whether you notice it or not, pretty much all medication has side effects. If you are perfectly healthy, you wont notice them as much, but it still hurts your body. Western medicine just doesnt have the ability to detect small changes in your body.

And virtually none of the medication in western medicine corrects the problem. They only work when you take them. Once you stop, you are on your own.

Well, my blood pressure got fixed, but really - that doesn't mean that what you are saying isn't true.

I don't know if I'd go so far to say that all drugs are bad for you, but I'm not going to say they are good either. As a rule of thumb, I don't take any medicine, unless it is absolutely neccessary. Even when I get a cold, I stay away from the tylenol. I fought my wife hard as I could (considering the circumstances, I could only say so much) to get her to pass on the anti-depressants, but they really helped her to some degree. A chemical imbalance can be corrected sometimes.
 
"Never let a good crises go to waste" simply means this: Any politically inclined group (even the least connected) takes a seemingly unrelated horrendous tragic event and molds their pet issue on to it in hopes of enticing the great god state to recognize them and shower great sums of power and wealth upon them.

Its the drugs they scream! Its the gun owners, its the Jews!... and so on, and so on. Are psycotropic drugs the sole reason for what these monsters do? I personally see it as a small but fractional factor. Insane mass murders, drugged or not, have a field day with our largly docile populace thanks to the State structure and its fraudulent propagandizing of its great power to protect.
 
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Its the drugs they scream! Its the gun owners, its the Jews!... and so on, and so on. Are psycotropic drugs the sole reason for what these monsters do? I personally see it as a small but fractional factor.


And here we have some people playing right into their hands.
 
"Never let a good crises go to waste" simply means this: Any politically inclined group (even the least connected) takes a seemingly unrelated horrendous tragic event and molds their pet issue on to it to in hopes of enticing the great god state to recognize them and shower great sums of power and wealth upon them.

Its the drugs they scream! Its the gun owners, its the Jews!... and so on, and so on. Are psycotropic drugs the sole reason for what these monsters do? I personally see it as a small but fractional factor. Insane mass murders, drugged or not, have a field day with our largly docile populace thanks to the State structure and its fraudulent propagandizing of its great power to protect.

If you have a good guess as to what is behind the following statistic the nation would love to hear it just as soon as you could let us all know (it's an urgent problem, isn't it?)


Prior to 1989, there were only a handful of incidents in which two or more victims were killed by firearms at a school, including the 1966 University of Texas massacre, the 1974 Olean High School shooting, the 1976 California State University, Fullerton massacre, and the 1979 Cleveland Elementary School shooting (the 1927 Bath School disaster was a bombing, not a shooting, with a firearm used only to detonate explosives). School shootings prior to the late 1990s, when they received intensive press and official coverage, were considered local incidents and may be substantially underreported in current tabulations, raising questions as to whether school shootings are actually increasing or are simply receiving more attention in recent years. From 1989 to 2012, there have been at least 40 such incidents.
details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

The first antidepressant SSRI drug, Prozac, was introduced in 1987

By the way, have you read this US National Institutes of Health (that is not Scientology, for those ready to throw that particular slimeball)

Antidepressants and Violence-problems at the Interface of Medicine & Law
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564177/

Both clinical trial and pharmacovigilance data point to possible links between these drugs and violent behaviours. The legal cases outlined returned a variety of verdicts that may in part have stemmed from different judicial processes. Many jurisdictions appear not to have considered the possibility that a prescription drug may induce violence.

In these trials, hostile events are found to excess in both adults and children on paroxetine compared with placebo, and are found across indications, and both on therapy and during withdrawal. The rates were highest in children with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), where the odds ratio of a hostile event was 17 times greater (95% confidence interval [CI], 2.22–130.0).

The Annex detailing case studies is particularly informative:

Annex: The Illustrative Medico-Legal Cases

Case 1

DS was a 60-year-old man with a history of five prior anxiety/depressive episodes. These did not involve suicidality, aggressive behaviour, or other serious disturbance. All prior episodes had resolved within several weeks. In 1990 DS had had an episode of depression, which his doctor treated with fluoxetine. He had a clear adverse reaction to fluoxetine involving agitation, restlessness and possible hallucinations, which worsened over a three-week period despite treatment with trazodone and propranolol that might have been expected to minimise the severity of such a reaction. After fluoxetine was discontinued DS responded rapidly to imipramine.

In 1998, a new family doctor, unaware of this adverse reaction to fluoxetine, prescribed paroxetine 20 mg to DS, for what was diagnosed as an anxiety disorder. Two days later having had, it is believed, two doses of medication, DS using a gun put three bullets each through the heads of his wife, his daughter who was visiting, and his nine-month-old granddaughter before killing himself.

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If every school shooter in the last 20 years had been taking LSD would you want to keep prescribing it to children?

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If you have a good guess as to what is behind the following statistic the nation would love to hear it just as soon as you could let us all know (it's an urgent problem, isn't it?)


Not really. Compared to what?


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If every school shooter in the last 20 years had been taking LSD would you want to keep prescribing it to children?

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Were all of these shooters wearing footwear? Did they have eyes? At least one arm? Had they all ever drank milk? Am I making compelling arguments? Or not?
 
I'd like to see parents being responsible for their childrens health care, there are very few children who require prescription drugs to get through life.......

The fault lies 100% with parents who either can't or won't deal with their children effectively.

Now adults who take these drugs whether or not under a doctors supervision must be held accountable for their actions, taking a drug isn't a reason to excuse poor behavior.

I believe if the folks who take SSRI drugs had legal access to all drugs that very few, if any, would choose to continue their use.

Blaming "drugs" for a persons behavior is just as insane as blaming a gun for shooting someone..
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimozide

My drug, Read it.

I have been taking this antipsychotic for years now. It hasn't killed me yet. Weight gain of course, but it's much better without tics.

By the while, People with Psychosis, who are manic or are schizophrenic are less likely to be violent and be the victims of violent. Something tells me, Lanza must not be crazy.
 
One thing about SSRIs is this... notice that the "gun control" bullshit keeps mentioning mental health issues.

What about this proposal... If you have EVER been prescribed drugs such as anti-depressants, or anti-psychotics, or bigfuckyouupamine, then you will be ineligible for legal firearms possession.

That's quite possibly where this could be headed. I don't like it. Being that "doctors" hand out SSRIs like candy, a very small percentage of those who have taken SSRIs shoot up schools.

So people like me can't get guns because we tick, or need drugs from killing ourselves. Seems reasonable.
 
No. Not virtually all medication is bad for you. No.

On the other hand, I believe that the anti depressants and other psychiatric drugs are the worst things you can give to somebody who is hurting or in pain, with some exceptions. My wife took a very mild anti-depressant when she went through a tough time, and it helped her. She got better, and stopped taking them. However, the bad cases are a whole different story. Some people who have never been suicidial or violent suddenly become so when they take these drugs, and the blame lies soley on the pharmaceuticals that create them, and sell them without fully warning about the negative side effects. The doctors don't closely monitor the patients, and the communities bear the weight of the pain when someone gets their chemicals out of wack.

But no, not all drugs are bad. I had high blood pressure a while back, took some blood pressure medicine and it fixed within a few weeks. Watched my diet since, and have never had blood pressure problems since.

So CVD drugs are okay but moderate to powerful dose SSRI's are bad? Good that you watched your diet, i have been doing it recently. Best thing ever done.
 
Chinese traditional medicine is still legal. That can fix most of their problems without side effects.

Sorry, i have used Chinese medicines before. Hell I lived in Hong Kong and Singapore. These things like Bloodletting and bitter water boiled with insects and leaves are nothing but placebos.
 
Sorry, i have used Chinese medicines before. Hell I lived in Hong Kong and Singapore. These things like Bloodletting and bitter water boiled with insects and leaves are nothing but placebos.

Bloodletting is not CTM, I don't know where you went. Anyways, most of them suck, so you have to shop around. Just like you would a normal doctor.
 
So people like me can't get guns because we tick, or need drugs from killing ourselves. Seems reasonable.


Like I said... I don't like it. But more and more, it looks like this is where we are headed. I'm sure not leading the charge on that front.

Call out the medical establishment for what they are? Sure. Disarm people based on that corrupt industry? Isn't that something we should be discouraging? I do not expect they will stop prescribing such.
 
Bloodletting is not CTM, I don't know where you went. Anyways, most of them suck, so you have to shop around. Just like you would a normal doctor.

Physicians today don't give 1 hour sessions like natruopathic or homeopathic healers. (i refuse to call them Physicians.)

Medical school is a post college 4 year degree. Years 1-2 is a basic/advanced science course filled with anatomy, biochemistry, microbiology, pathology and pharmacology. You will then have to pass an exam called Step 1. Year 3 is when you go into clerkships, where you learn EVERY relevant medical field. Internal Medicine, General Surgery, Neurology, Obstetrics and Gynecology, Psychiatry and Pediatrics. Fourth Year, you will go through clinical electives or research projects. You will then have to Take Step 2 which includes Clinical Knowledge and Clinical Skills. It is only offered in five cities: Philidelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, and LA. You will then MATCH (thats right, your specialty is chosen for you, But you get interviewed at a job you like) into your program (Harvard and Johns Hopkins are the most prestigious)do a 1 year internship and then a 3-7 year Residency. Most are completed in 4-5 years. During then, you work your ass off to prove to everyone else that you are a competent doctor. You will then have to pass a board exam (Step 3.) After a few years in working your ass off, You will then take the Board Certification Exam given by your State Board and then your Specialty Exams Given by your Specialty Board. You will complete Residency and try to get a job as an attending, where you will have to be responsible for teaching and being competent. Remember, you will have to do recertification every few years or so. Unless you get grandfathered in. So, This is how a doctor is trained. Its Not sodamn easy as everyone thinks it is. If you want to reform medicine or make it better. Get your credentials (as i am currently) and reform it. As you see it sucks being a doctor. I'm still surprised people want to do it.
 
Physicians today don't give 1 hour sessions like natruopathic or homeopathic healers. (i refuse to call them Physicians.)

Medical school is a post college 4 year degree. Years 1-2 is a basic/advanced science course filled with anatomy, biochemistry, microbiology, pathology and pharmacology. You will then have to pass an exam called Step 1. Year 3 is when you go into clerkships, where you learn EVERY relevant medical field. Internal Medicine, General Surgery, Neurology, Obstetrics and Gynecology, Psychiatry and Pediatrics. Fourth Year, you will go through clinical electives or research projects. You will then have to Take Step 2 which includes Clinical Knowledge and Clinical Skills. It is only offered in five cities: Philidelphia, Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, and LA. You will then MATCH (thats right, your specialty is chosen for you, But you get interviewed at a job you like) into your program (Harvard and Johns Hopkins are the most prestigious)do a 1 year internship and then a 3-7 year Residency. Most are completed in 4-5 years. During then, you work your ass off to prove to everyone else that you are a competent doctor. You will then have to pass a board exam (Step 3.) After a few years in working your ass off, You will then take the Board Certification Exam given by your State Board and then your Specialty Exams Given by your Specialty Board. You will complete Residency and try to get a job as an attending, where you will have to be responsible for teaching and being competent. Remember, you will have to do recertification every few years or so. Unless you get grandfathered in. So, This is how a doctor is trained. Its Not sodamn easy as everyone thinks it is. If you want to reform medicine or make it better. Get your credentials (as i am currently) and reform it. As you see it sucks being a doctor. I'm still surprised people want to do it.


I am not sure what your point is. Wasting time in school doesnt make you better than any qualified acupuncturist. And part of the reason acupuncturists dont waste that much time in school is because their profession doesnt make up new bullshit drugs every year that do nothing. CTM has worked for thousands of years, so there is no need to change it. Plus acupuncturists get much better as they get more practice, many of them learning as kids from their parents. Something doctors dont get a chance to do.
 
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