Group Project: Let's Rank The Presidents and Summarize Their Presidencies

[dillo]

Wouldn't constitutionalists recognize that slavery was a violation of the Bill of Rights, and in spite of how decentralized they wanted the government all states had to abide to the bill of rights?

 

[enoch150]

Wouldn't constitutionalists recognize that slavery was a violation of the Bill of Rights, and in spite of how decentralized they wanted the government all states had to abide to the bill of rights?

The bill of rights only applied to the federal government at the time. It didn't apply to the states until the 14th amendment, which was proposed in 1866 and ratified in 1868.

That being said, even federal law violated the Bill of Rights on the issue of slavery. Just see the Fugitive Slave Act. Even the Constitution violated the Bill of Rights on the slave issue.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

The only knock on Harrison is that he didn't reduce the power of government.

The federal government in the 1800s was so small that increasing or decreasing it by minute amounts is largely irrelevant. Most people in the 1800s had absolutely no contact whatsoever with the federal government.

 

[enoch150]

The federal government in the 1800s was so small that increasing or decreasing it by minute amounts is largely irrelevant. Most people in the 1800s had absolutely no contact whatsoever with the federal government.

Small relative to now. But there has always been a time when something could have been improved, whether that was repealing the Fugitive Slave Act or reducing tariffs.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

Small relative to now. But there has always been a time when something could have been improved, whether that was repealing the Fugitive Slave Act or reducing tariffs.

Abraham Lincoln got rid of the Fugitive Slave Act.

 

[enoch150]

Abraham Lincoln got rid of the Fugitive Slave Act.

William Henry Harrison was President in 1841...

 

[Galileo Galilei]

William Henry Harrison was President in 1841...

OK?

 

[nano1895]

OK?

He meant that William Henry Harrison could've done it sooner.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

He meant that William Henry Harrison could've done it sooner.

Actually, the fugitive slave law in 1841 was well written and fair. It was not until 1850 that the new fugitive slave act became an anti-liberty document. This was rammed through shortly after Zachery Taylor was poisoned to death and Millard Fillmore took the helm.

 

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Group Project: Let's Rank The Presidents and Summarize Their Presidencies

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It is NOT Third Party talk or Plan B talk, rather, THIS sort of Mental Masturbation that could and should wait until after November.

I'm sorry there is not a pleasing-to-the-Board way to articulate that TRUTH.

I mean, of ALL the "group projects" that this non-collective might undertake...

 

[Origanalist]

Group Project: Let's Rank The Presidents and Summarize Their Presidencies

Replies: 188
Views: 3,041
19 pages


It is NOT Third Party talk or Plan B talk, rather, THIS sort of Mental Masturbation that could and should wait until after November.

I'm sorry there is not a pleasing-to-the-Board way to articulate that TRUTH.

I mean, of ALL the "group projects" that this non-collective might undertake...

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Made big changes to OP. Check it out.

Still making more as I do other things...

 

[Shane Harris]

This is very subjective as different aspects of liberty are more important to certain people. I think the best solution is grouping, since there are so many different factors and controversial issues. Maybe anything from 3 presidents per group to 5 total groups?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

This is very subjective as different aspects of liberty are more important to certain people. I think the best solution is grouping, since there are so many different factors and controversial issues. Maybe anything from 3 presidents per group to 5 total groups?

5 total groups makes 8-9 per group. 3 per is 14 groups with 1 president left over.

How about we start with 5 groups and go from there?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Updated OP more. Still need to add in the summaries we have so far and need someone to help make more summaries for the ones we don't have. Anyway check it out and let me know what you think.

 

[Danan]

What would Ron Paul have done if he was President during that time? In your opinion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOE4Ip7In0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DmhRBHZrKc

 

[106459]

Baloney. The South still had Jim Crow laws 100 years later, and they had to end those kicking and screaming.

This is what I consider to be an extremely flawed argument. In essence, Lincoln created the Jim Crow laws because of the forced end to slavery. If it had been ended peacefully like in Great Britain and countless other countries, there would have been far less resentment from the white southerner to the newly freed black. There wouldn't have been punitive measures to counteract the forced freedom that would've never happened.
Yes, because of Lincoln there is still a great deal of resentment today from all the punitive measures. Ask about people's feelings on Affirmative Action. I certainly don't like it.

The Constitution has since been trampled on, and for the past 150 years there has been no recourse, and that's why we now have a Federal Reserve printing trillions and giving it to the rich, why we have endless wars, why people are killed in their own homes over a plant, why we're told what we can eat, what we can drink, on, and on, and on...

His war may have incidentally freed the slaves, but in doing so he enslaved America. The slaves in the South would have been freed eventually, either migration to the North, or by other socioeconomic factors.

His war was not worth it. Not at all.

Totally wrong. There were no changes in the Constitution when Lincoln was president.

Surely you jest. If Lincoln HAD made changes to the Constitution, THEN he wouldn't have violated it. That's because since it would've been changed to be a total piece of crap, all his previous violations would have been then acceptable. I don't even know what else to say. You seriously think the Constitution has to be changed to be violated? They're called amendments; to amend something changes it. Change is an integral part of the Constitution.
Now: If you're arguing Lincoln can't be to blame for things such as the Federal Reserve (which you might've been doing), that's wrong as well. Lincoln played an integral role in violating the Constitution and setting the precedent for future presidents to have such massive usurpation of power.

Lincoln: One of the worst presidents, if not THE worst.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

This is what I consider to be an extremely flawed argument. In essence, Lincoln created the Jim Crow laws because of the forced end to slavery. If it had been ended peacefully like in Great Britain and countless other countries, there would have been far less resentment from the white southerner to the newly freed black. There wouldn't have been punitive measures to counteract the forced freedom that would've never happened.
Yes, because of Lincoln there is still a great deal of resentment today from all the punitive measures. Ask about people's feelings on Affirmative Action. I certainly don't like it.

Slavery is worse then Jim Crow laws.

Surely you jest. If Lincoln HAD made changes to the Constitution, THEN he wouldn't have violated it. That's because since it would've been changed to be a total piece of crap, all his previous violations would have been then acceptable. I don't even know what else to say. You seriously think the Constitution has to be changed to be violated? They're called amendments; to amend something changes it. Change is an integral part of the Constitution.
Now: If you're arguing Lincoln can't be to blame for things such as the Federal Reserve (which you might've been doing), that's wrong as well. Lincoln played an integral role in violating the Constitution and setting the precedent for future presidents to have such massive usurpation of power.

Lincoln: One of the worst presidents, if not THE worst.

The Constitution was not amended while Lincoln was president. That's why Wilson was worse than Lincoln.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Slavery is worse then Jim Crow laws.




The Constitution was not amended while Lincoln was president. That's why Wilson was worse than Lincoln.

And Lincoln wasn't against slavery.

P.S. 6,000th post

 

[Origanalist]

And Lincoln wasn't against slavery.

Or causing hundreds of thousands of violent deaths, untold amounts of maimed, destroying whole cities and burning farms, etc. etc.