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Wilson said he wanted to save the world for democracy. Total bunk of course.
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Wilson said he wanted to save the world for democracy. Total bunk of course.
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Yet he married a woman from a major slaver family...hmmm... might want to be suspicious of that.
smart political move, good way to appeal top slave-owning voters.
How was it initially started though? I was told that some dumb fuck was assassinated then a bunch of countries went crazy and started going to war over it. That sounds stupid, but thats how it was explained to me. This doesn't seem like a rational cause for a war.
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I'll watch the video, but can you summarize the book for me? The part where Wilson is at fault?
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Read the Guns of August:
The Guns of August [Paperback]
Barbara W. Tuchman (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Guns-August-Barbara-Tuchman/dp/034538623X
Lucky for us, JFK read this book prior to the Cuban Missile Crisis. It helped JFK navigate his way to peace and avoid mistakes made in the past (per RFK).
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Wilson had information about the virus, which broke out in US military camps in Kansas at first. Wilson started sending the sick soldiers all over the place because he wanted us in WWI. He sent them all over the US and then all over the place in Europe including Spain (hence the name Spanish flu). He withheld info he had about the sickness to the people in the places he was sending them too, so they mixed even more. Like he sent a bunch of troops to Philadelphia and did not tell the mayor, and then the troops marched in a parade and then thousands more got sick.
The sickness was tricky because at first most people thought they just had the flu.
If Wilson had quarantined the sick soldiers, called back sick soldiers, and warned leaders in other places about it, the people working on vaccines would have gotten out in front of the outbreak. The virus would have started to mutate to a weaker form before it hit fresh populations.
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Holy fuck. That's some evil shit.
That's one of the most bizarre statements ever posted on these forums. It isn't possible to have a pro-liberty law requiring the return of a person to slavery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Slave_Act_of_1793
Signed into law by George Washington.
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I really don't understand why you back Lincoln so much but you hate Wilson.
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Today I was researching FDR and found this blog where the guy starts it off saying Lincoln was probably our greatest president and then he goes into this SUPER LONG, SUPER DETAILED explanation of why FDR was the worst president ever.
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not really, because fugitive slave laws do not create slavery. Take away the slave laws, and fugitive slave laws mean nothing.
And also, the new law of 1850 was much harsher than the old one.
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I don't really like Lincoln, but I like to argue with the anti-Lincoln fanatics. Its fun.
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Lol alritey. You make more sense now. Carry on.
Did I miss anything big on FDR? I'm trying to get it ready to start pasting summaries in the OP.
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This should help you get started:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Crisis
As stated earlier, The Guns of August is a good read.
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here are some good books on FDR that I have read:
FDR: The Other Side of the Coin [Paperback]
Hamilton Fish (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/FDR-The-Other-Side-Coin/dp/0977326829
FDR's Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression [Paperback]
Jim Powell (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/FDRs-Folly-Roosevelt-Prolonged-Depression/dp/140005477X
The Roosevelt Myth [Paperback]
John T. Flynn (Author), Ralph Raico (Introduction)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Roosevelt-Myth-John-Flynn/dp/0930073274
The Pearl Harbor Myth: Rethinking the Unthinkable (Potomac's Military Controversies) [Paperback]
George Victor (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Pearl-Harbor-Myth-Controversies/dp/1597971618/ref=pd_sim_b_9
Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor [Paperback]
Robert Stinnett (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Day-Of-Deceit-Truth-Harbor/dp/0743201299
The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Great Depression and the New Deal (The Politically Incorrect Guides) [Paperback]
Robert Murphy (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-Depression-Guides/dp/1596980966
There might be a couple more I have overlooked.
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Here's one more good one, mostly overlooked:
FDR's Deadly Secret [Hardcover]
Eric Fettmann (Author), Steven Lomazow (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/FDRs-Deadly-Secret-Eric-Fettmann/dp/1586487442
Yeah. Just as I remembered. A completely pointless war. The cause was completely idiotic. The way the war was fought was idiotic. Both sides sitting in trenches, taking turns on who gets killed. No progress made by either side. Was there a reason at all for the U.S. to be in this war? Regardless of who won, how would that effect the U.S.?
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We also need to give some kudos to Truman, another really really bad president, the guy who nuked people.
This book is overlooked by most people I know:
Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb: And the Architecture of an American Myth [Hardcover]
Gar Alperovitz (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Decision-Use-Atomic-Bomb-Architecture/dp/0679443312
This book is overlooked by most people I know:
Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb: And the Architecture of an American Myth [Hardcover]
Gar Alperovitz (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Decision-Use-Atomic-Bomb-Architecture/dp/0679443312
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Here's a new book on WWI that is really good, on a specialized topic:
The Dardanelles Disaster: Winston Churchill's Greatest Failure [Hardcover]
Dan van der Vat (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/The-Dardanelles-Disaster-Churchills-Greatest/dp/1590202236
Here's some background on a few President's with regard to energy policy:
1971: Nixon severs ties to gold
1973: Nixon backs Israel in Yom Kippur War. In retaliation, OPEC declares embargo on US (it lasted 6 months). Nixon rations oil to the states based on 1972 usage rates. States with increased populations had shortages. To encourage new exploration, Nixon fixed the price of oil from existing domestic fields. Prices from newly developed fields are allowed to float at market rates. Because inflation was already picking up from the fiat money switch, existing oil fields became unprofitable. "Old oil" fields were shut down. Shortages increased. This was the beginning of the huge spike in oil that peaked in 1980.
Ford does nothing to change the situation.
1977: Carter creates Department of Energy
1979: Carter bans oil imports from Iran, imposes import quotas, and tells Americans to install solar panels, lower the temperature in their houses, and to stop driving so damn much.
1980: Carter imposes windfall profits tax on oil companies.
1981: Eight days after taking office, Reagan issues executive order 12287, which eliminated Nixon's oil price controls, effective immediately. "Old oil" comes back online. The inflation adjusted price of oil begins falling immediately and continues to fall (except for a bump during Gulf War 1), until 1998. Reagan also removed Carter's windfall profits tax.
1971: Nixon severs ties to gold
1973: Nixon backs Israel in Yom Kippur War. In retaliation, OPEC declares embargo on US (it lasted 6 months). Nixon rations oil to the states based on 1972 usage rates. States with increased populations had shortages. To encourage new exploration, Nixon fixed the price of oil from existing domestic fields. Prices from newly developed fields are allowed to float at market rates. Because inflation was already picking up from the fiat money switch, existing oil fields became unprofitable. "Old oil" fields were shut down. Shortages increased. This was the beginning of the huge spike in oil that peaked in 1980.
Ford does nothing to change the situation.
1977: Carter creates Department of Energy
1979: Carter bans oil imports from Iran, imposes import quotas, and tells Americans to install solar panels, lower the temperature in their houses, and to stop driving so damn much.
1980: Carter imposes windfall profits tax on oil companies.
1981: Eight days after taking office, Reagan issues executive order 12287, which eliminated Nixon's oil price controls, effective immediately. "Old oil" comes back online. The inflation adjusted price of oil begins falling immediately and continues to fall (except for a bump during Gulf War 1), until 1998. Reagan also removed Carter's windfall profits tax.
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