Group of females corralled then pepper sprayed by cops, WTF? (NYC Protests)

[Razmear]

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/147808/nypd-silent-on-pepper-spraying-of-downtown-protesters

Article with video about the pepper spraying and general police brutality.

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[AFPVet]

Just stop. There is no way to rationalize macing people who are standing behind the net barrier snapping pictures. They were not being violent, they were not trying to escape, and they weren't interfering in police duties.

If I was an active officer there, I would have put that officer in cuffs and charged him with battery. You don't do shit like that to someone who is passive resistant. The OC/CS pepper that I carried left minor chemical burns... it's not the "training spray"... it's serious shit!

 

[Rael]

Don't let them divide us. Unless that's what you're trying to do?

I love how every time anyone disagrees with the prevailing opinion around here, the person is accused of "trolling", or trying to "divide" people. God forbid someone should have a different opinion.

 

[Maverick]

I had trouble playing this clip when it was first posted. It was very slow in loading and laggy and all that. The clip seems to be working fine for me now. However, I'll tell you something odd, there was a difference in the clip before and the clip now. The first time I looked at this I saw about 15 seconds or so before the events happen in the clip as it is now.

What I saw before was a cop involved with an altercation with some mundane in the middle of the street, probably trying to arrest him, when the mundane broke away and jumped back. Then a 2nd mundane jumps on top of his friend and...attempts to pull him away I guess? Anyway, about 5-6 cops grab the new guy and proceed to beat his ass, or so it appears. And then that's where the rest of the clip comes in.

 

[MRK]

I had trouble playing this clip when it was first posted. It was very slow in loading and laggy and all that. The clip seems to be working fine for me now. However, I'll tell you something odd, there was a difference in the clip before and the clip now. The first time I looked at this I saw about 15 seconds or so before the events happen in the clip as it is now.

What I saw before was a cop involved with an altercation with some mundane in the middle of the street, probably trying to arrest him, when the mundane broke away and jumped back. Then a 2nd mundane jumps on top of his friend and...attempts to pull him away I guess? Anyway, about 5-6 cops grab the new guy and proceed to beat his ass, or so it appears. And then that's where the rest of the clip comes in.

The clip posted in the article linked from drudge was the first time i saw the scenario. Then I saw the video here and noticed that part was absent. I checked back on the article linked on drudge and it still had the altercation you mentioned. Perhaps you also saw the clip from the article linked on drudge first?

 

[bobbyjay]

I'm starting to think this is more likely.

When people start coming to protest armed...What would be the result? Escalation of violence on both sides until...?

I'd like to see that kind of protest in a Right to Carry state like Arizona, see if the brown shirts errr white shirts want to spray a little peppers on people out there....

 

[Maverick]

The clip posted in the article linked from drudge was the first time i saw the scenario. Then I saw the video here and noticed that part was absent. I checked back on the article linked on drudge and it still had the altercation you mentioned. Perhaps you also saw the clip from the article linked on drudge first?

Yeah, maybe so. In any event, for all the people wondering why the women were shouting and what they were recording at the time that was probably it. Whatever was going on in the street, however, in no way made it justifiable to mace these women in the face.

 

[GreenBulldog]

I'd like to see that kind of protest in a Right to Carry state like Arizona, see if the brown shirts errr white shirts want to spray a little peppers on people out there....

Me too. I wonder if cops dare use force (including pepper spray) to a group of people they know is armed.

Or maybe it'll escalate and they'll call SWAT or maybe they'll bring RPGs or something of that sort.

 

[AFPVet]

Me too. I wonder if cops dare use force (including pepper spray) to a group of people they know is armed.

Or maybe it'll escalate and they'll call SWAT or maybe they'll bring RPGs or something of that sort.

Armed states do not have this problem.

 

[GreenBulldog]

Armed states do not have this problem.

I guess...Police brutality seems to happen exclusively to unarmed people. Blowback have happened to cops who fucked with armed citizen. Either way, you'd lose because you go to jail. Even if you don't, going to court sucks.

I often wondered: In CA where I live, I have to register my gun. Will that mean cops will be more "trigger happy" if they were to come to my residence because I'm more dangerous? Or would they treat me with more respect?

 

[Rael]

This video shows maybe 20 seconds earlier. About :5 you can see one of the "peaceful" protestors punch a cop in the face.

 

[AFPVet]

This video shows maybe 20 seconds earlier. About :5 you can see one of the "peaceful" protestors punch a cop in the face.

The officer blocked the strike, but you're right; however, if you watch, another citizen tackles that guy and assists in his apprehension. At any rate, that wasn't the point of this... the point was that an officer committed class A misdemeanor battery on passive resistant people.

 

[Rael]

Here is another angle of the incident.



These hippie wannabes are angry that there are rich people, so they go out and block traffic, and generally act like animals. Nope, still not feeling sorry for them.

 

[PierzStyx]

Wall Street. This protest has actually been going on for days, with smaller protests nation wide. They even had an anti-Fed protest here if San Francisco. The local and national news is just ignoring it. They are being fenced in in order to be sub-divided and controlled, working on the theory that they are less dangerous in smaller groups.

 

[Danke]

These hippie wannabes are angry that there are rich people, so they go out and block traffic, and generally act like animals. Nope, still not feeling sorry for them.

The should be put on leashes.

 

[PierzStyx]

Here is another angle of the incident.



These hippie wannabes are angry that there are rich people, so they go out and block traffic, and generally act like animals. Nope, still not feeling sorry for them.

I don't know if you know this but Dr. Paul is a huge supporter of the right of civil disobedience. Whether you feel sorry for them should be irrelevant. You should be outraged that a police officer used violence on a group of people who were clearly NOT acting violently. Their rights to civil disobedience, their rights to assemble, are being violated because it makes things "difficult" for those to lazy to do anything about the real issues the nation faces.

And their cause here should be one close to any RP supporters heart. They are protesting Wall Street and its economic redistribution of wealth to the top and placing the economic burden on the middle class. And you know what? They're right. That is part of Dr. Paul's message, that fiat money and central banking set up a system of economic domination that destroys real wealth and promotes governmental expansion and loss of civil liberties. They may be ignorant on how to fix the problem, and I don't know. The group seems eclectic. There are "End The Fed" signs in some of these YouTube videos as well. They seem closer top our brothers and sisters in arms than our enemies. Do not be so quick to judge and dismiss.

 

[Rael]

Notice the different tone and outcome of this protest. Instead of causing a public nuisance, these folks made a point by actually providing a service. They didn't get pepper sprayed either.

 

[Rael]

I don't know if you know this but Dr. Paul is a huge supporter of the right of civil disobedience.

See the video above. THAT is civil disobedience. The protestors in the wall st video are not engaged in civil disobedience, they are just standing around screaming, blocking traffic, and making a nuisance of themselves. Are these really the types of people you want Ron Paul to be associated with?

 

[devil21]

See the video above. THAT is civil disobedience. The protestors in the wall st video are not engaged in civil disobedience, they are just standing around screaming, blocking traffic, and making a nuisance of themselves. Are these really the types of people you want Ron Paul to be associated with?

The punching video is entirely unrelated to the content of this thread. Im sure everyone is aware that some of the protestors behaved badly. That doesn't mean indiscriminate police attacks of non-combative protestors is warranted however. The spraying cop simply couldn't control himself! If cops can't keep a cool head during protests and other tense situations then they should NOT be cops!

Standing around blocking traffic, being a nuisance, and screaming is perfectly acceptable protest. Violence on either side is not.

 

[Rael]

The punching video is entirely unrelated to the content of this thread. Im sure everyone is aware that some of the protestors behaved badly. That doesn't mean indiscriminate police attacks of non-combative protestors is warranted however. The spraying cop simply couldn't control himself! If cops can't keep a cool head during protests and other tense situations then they should NOT be cops!

Standing around blocking traffic, being a nuisance, and screaming is perfectly acceptable protest. Violence on either side is not.

If the cops were intending to arrest the folks being enclosed in the net for something that happened prior to the beginning of the video (as I suspect), then I would say pepper spray was appropriate, as the folks in the net were resisting arrest.

If the cops were just randomly netting people and them pepper spraying them, obviously that is not appropriate.

And no, blocking traffic is not an appropriate form of protest. You don't have the right to infringe on other people's right to travel and go about their daily business.