CEO of United Healthcare shot and killed in NYC

[Invisible Man]

What would be an example of something a private company does that should be punished by the government? Not including things that are already a violation of natural law like murder.

I can't think of anything that isn't a violation of natural law that should be punished.

But as I see it, your words, "by the government," are superfluous. If something should be punished, then the government isn't specially tasked as the only entity that can legitimately dole out that punishment. The government can only justly punish anyone if that is delegated to it by private people who already have that right themselves.

What I am concerned with here are violations of natural law that the government not only fails to punish, but actually performs itself. Those government agents who participate in these violations of natural law deserve to be punished, and along with them so do private citizens who engaged in various forms of legalized bribery to get the government to perform these violations of natural law on their behalf. Naturally, if any punishment is ever to be doled out for this kind of crime, it won't be the government who doles out the punishment, but someone else.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Progressivism and the Murder of a Health Insurance CEO
https://mises.org/mises-wire/progressivism-and-murder-health-insurance-ceo
{Connor O'Keeffe | 10 December 2024}

Last week, UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was shot to death on a New York City sidewalk in what was clearly a thoroughly planned-out attack. Over the next few days, as authorities hunted for the killer, online progressives did not try hard to hide their delight that a millionaire health insurance executive like Thompson was killed.

[...]

Progressivism and the Murder of a Health Insurance CEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77kBOhjV3Y8
{Mises Media | 11 December 2024}

Progressives are openly cheering the murder of the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. However, it was progressive legislation that created this healthcare crisis in the first place.

Read the article here: https://mises.org/mises-wire/progressivism-and-murder-health-insurance-ceo [see this post - OB]

 

[Madison320]

Those government agents who participate in these violations of natural law deserve to be punished, and along with them so do private citizens who engaged in various forms of legalized bribery to get the government to perform these violations of natural law on their behalf.

What would be an example of this?

 

[Madison320]

Progressives are openly cheering the murder of the CEO of UnitedHealthcare. However, it was progressive legislation that created this healthcare crisis in the first place.

Exactly. Health care is in the running for the most regulated industry. Banking might take first place with health care a close second.

I remember reading an op-ed from some idiot that wanted socialized health care and at the end the writer wrote "We've tried free market health care and it didn't work".

Harry Browne used to say "The government breaks your leg and then offers you a crutch and says "what would you do without us?""

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Here is my take on healthcare:
A person goes to the doctor and doctor says, "you are borderline diabetic and obese. If you don't change your diet you will be a diabetic. Medication to treat diabetes costs around $3,000 per month and your insurance will not cover it because they will consider this a preventable disease by simply changing your diet. Same goes for your high blood pressure and high cholesterol."

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's good to know, I'll remember that.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren on MSNBC 10 Dec 2024:

Host Joy Reid said, [relevant exchange begins around 36:20] “So, we’ve been talking a lot about this Luigi Mangione, the case about the UnitedHealthcare CEO. People are very angry at UnitedHealthcare, I think, for a good reason, denying care, and the whole system. And we were just talking in the previous block, killing a CEO is not the way you change. You have to regulate them, right? And so, we’ve got attempts to try to rein in some of these big businesses. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which was your creation, the Trump administration wants to get rid of it. That is like protecting people from, like, credit card fraud. What happens if that goes away?”

Warren agreed that regulating, not killing CEOs is how you change things and answered, “So, look, terrible for individuals, but stop and think, overall, about the social contract. Part of the deal in how we’ve kept this democracy, this economy, this country on a fairly steady path for more than 200 years has been that those at the top pay a little more in taxes, are a little less rich than they otherwise might be, and everybody else at least gets a chance. And what happens, when you turn this into the billionaires run it all, is they get the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. And look, we’ll say it over and over, violence is never the answer, this guy gets a trial, who’s allegedly killed the CEO of UnitedHealth[care].

But you can only push people so far, and then, they start to take matters into their own hands.”

https://x.com/AntiFeder1776/status/1866987020737974393

 

[Invisible Man]

What would be an example of this?

Donating money to campaigns of politicians in exchange for passing laws to spend stolen money on their products.

 

[TheCount]

Wow I guess everyone loves big pharma now.


That didn't take much.

 

[CaptUSA]

Wow I guess everyone loves big pharma now.


That didn't take much.

So you equate being against murder to "loving big pharma"?? What is wrong with you?!

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

So you equate being against murder to "loving big pharma"?? What is wrong with you?!

Agreed, out of character too.

 

[TheCount]

So you equate being against murder to "loving big pharma"?? What is wrong with you?!

Being against murder doesn't require a 5,000 word essay about how actually big pharma is great.

 

[unknown]

https://x.com/ProudSocialist/status/1866317723497611763

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://x.com/ProudSocialist/status/1866317723497611763

Democrat Josh Shapiro: “In America we don't kill people in cold blood to resolve policy differences."

Also Josh Shapiro: Signing missiles that will be used to kill people in cold blood.

Well, now, to be fair, there's not really any contradiction here.

He said "In America we don't kill people in cold blood [...]".

So "kill[ing] people in cold blood" in other countries doesn't really count against that.

(Mealy-mouthed weasels gonna weasel mealy-mouthedly.)

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1867546046718427552

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Interesting side effect of this cold-blooded murder is that United Healthcare is being exposed. There are stories that they use AI to "evaluate" and deny claims.

As an aside, I very recently learned that someone I know with cancer has continually been denied diagnostic tests and treatments by United Healthcare. The company itself is criminal, IMHO.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

https://x.com/ProudSocialist/status/1866317723497611763

Massive self-own.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Interesting side effect of this cold-blooded murder is that United Healthcare is being exposed. There are stories that they use AI to "evaluate" and deny claims.

As an aside, I very recently learned that someone I know with cancer has continually been denied diagnostic tests and treatments by United Healthcare. The company itself is criminal, IMHO.

If AI exists I don't see the issue with using it to process claims. Not any different than using robots to answer and direct phone calls. If there are parameters to process claims it is very possible that AI does a better job than humans.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Interesting side effect of this cold-blooded murder is that United Healthcare is being exposed. There are stories that they use AI to "evaluate" and deny claims.

As an aside, I very recently learned that someone I know with cancer has continually been denied diagnostic tests and treatments by United Healthcare. The company itself is criminal, IMHO.

I had United for many years through my employer.

It was next to worthless and stupid expensive

 

[Madison320]

Donating money to campaigns of politicians in exchange for passing laws to spend stolen money on their products.

That seems way too vague and removed from the actual crime. What if the NRA donates money and along with keeping guns legal congress also starts gun training classes. Does everyone who gave money to the NRA get convicted of a crime? What about senior citizens who donate to aarp? What about voters who vote for free stuff?

 

[Madison320]

The number of people who get "cheated" as a percentage is quite small, although they should work to minimize it.

This guy only made $10 million a year as CEO.. that's nothing. Rachael Maddow makes $30 million a year to lie on TV once a week..

Some of the claims should be denied, per the contract, some that should not end up getting denied sometimes due to the scaling problem, having tens of millions of customers.

The reason they deny claims is to reduce their expenses to lower the price of insurance for everyone else. Insurance is like $700/month, $8k per year. It's $#@!ing insane. It's not the insurance companies' fault healthcare is such a mess and so expensive, it's the government's fault for being so involved in healthcare.

Just the fact that insurance companies can't deny you for pre-existing conditions should be enough for anyone to realize the whole thing is rigged by government. At that point how can anyone even consider them to be a private industry? The only way insurance companies can survive is with other government subsidies to offset the huge losses.