Group of females corralled then pepper sprayed by cops, WTF? (NYC Protests)

[heavenlyboy34]

He just walks up to the crowd and peppersprays them for no reason. Isn't that assault with a weapon?

Only if you're a mundane.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

And everybody just stands around and watches.

If they had opened fire on these people, everybody would have done the same thing.

Just another day in Amerika.

Looks like a public sidewalk, isn't there something about "peaceably assembling" and "redress of grievances" written down somewhere?

There you go again, trying to be rational and moral. You mundanes just don't know WTF you're talking about! Just listen to your wise overlords and everything will be okay. /sarcasm

 

[Cowlesy]

I'd like to see the video prior to the cops busting out that barricade and pepperspraying the people. I assume at some point a full-er length video will be released.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

NOBODY deserves to be tazered or pepper sprayed unless they are directly threatening an innocent person with serious harm. Period.

To say otherwise is callous.

This^^ The woman was being a little silly from our POV, but nothing worth a tazing. She might even have some sort of disorder that made her react that way-we don't know.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

be ready for this at political rallies as the election season heats up.

 

[VoluntaryAmerican]

:48 you can see his face (white shirt). Kind of blurry though. Hope he gets charges pressed against him.

 

[Carehn]

You can see they guy that did it (I think). What is this all about?

 

[Anti Federalist]

What is this all about?

Getting everybody in line.

 

[affa]

Most people who get pepper sprayed don't act like that. My guess is that she wanted to be pepper sprayed, then when she got what she wanted, made it look good for the camera.

that'a boy. keep supporting the oppressors and vilifying the populace. what's wrong with you man? you see a woman get assaulted for absolutely no reason and your first thought is that 'she asked for it'?

fix your head, sir.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

It's quite simple, it's to get the crowd riled up in hopes more will get angry and be the first to incite violence, preferably men.

ACLU/Anonymous is sending out mass tweets/emails warning the protesters to keep women on the inside, men on outside.

There's also a report coming through that a woman was purposely shoved by police into the street (where she was not allowed) because she was taking video of the mass arrests (she wasnt even a protester) and she fell hard and they knee'd her and arrested her. =/

Might head down there tomorrow, and offer my medic skills.

 

[ChaosControl]

People should tell the cops to **** off and actually go do their job and actually go after people who are threats to society instead of wasting their time and the tax payers money harassing people who are peacefully protesting. It is crap like this that pisses me off about cops. It just means we have way too many and most of them need to be fired, never to be replaced.

 

[Rael]

that'a boy. keep supporting the oppressors and vilifying the populace. what's wrong with you man? you see a woman get assaulted for absolutely no reason and your first thought is that 'she asked for it'?

fix your head, sir.

I'm not supporting or vilifying anyone. I've seen many instances where the police were out of line and acknowledged it.
I have to be objective though. I watched this video about 15 times and have a hard time determining who is doing what as it was so chaotic. The video does not show what happened prior to this and there is no context.

Notice that of the two ladies who got pepper sprayed, one cradled her head and was quiet, which is the typical reaction I see in these types of videos. The other was an absolute drama queen about it. I think she wanted to get pepper sprayed, most likely to make some sort of statement, and exaggerated her pain to help drive the point home that the cops are evil. And they often are, but I think alot of the protestors deliberately go out and make trouble and ask to get tasered or pepper sprayed.

 

[BUSHLIED]

does anyone know the context of the "protest"?

 

[kuckfeynes]

Well assume she did, she accomplished her goal and got the cop to lash out.
That justifies the action? That makes it okay to counter words with pepper spray?
Is it only brutality when the victim is clearly not acting?
Does harassment justify assault?
Is it reasonable that under a system of monopoly of force, the private citizen is held to a higher standard than the enforcer, instead of vice versa?
If you justify the physical force used on those simply "asking for it," where do you draw the line? Tazer? Shoot in leg? Shoot to kill?
Can a rape victim ever be "asking for it?" If so does that justify the rape?

 

[devil21]

Once they pull out the fuckin NETS to capture people in the street you know this is the end game in effect. Nets? Then pepper spray. Until it's guns. It's officially over folks. They now have nets to block you in. No sound cannons. You can escape those. No need for old fashioned patrols of law abiding citizens execising their Constitutional right to free assembly. Just grab a fuckin NET and surround them and then shoot....errr spray or taze. Will the media cover this??

This video has become very disturbing to me and Ive seen some pretty messed up shit these last few years. Ill have more to say on this later once Ive processed it fully.

eta: For the poster on this thread claiming "Drama Queen" because she made a big fuss. I have been pepper sprayed. Have you??? It's horrendous shit and so far I have yet to experience a worse sensation than a face full of pepper spray. The pain lasts for days. I wouldn't blame ANYBODY for making the hugest fuss they can muster when pepper sprayed. Speaking is generally hard, no doubt, because you can't breath normally but a determined person could muster the energy even if casually exposed to it.

 

[Verrater]

The other was an absolute drama queen about it. I think she wanted to get pepper sprayed, most likely to make some sort of statement, and exaggerated her pain to help drive the point home that the cops are evil. And they often are, but I think alot of the protestors deliberately go out and make trouble and ask to get tasered or pepper sprayed.

I have been hit with fox labs and vexor(very high SHU spray), and I can tell you it hurts, can blind you for hours or more, hurt for days after, can induce vomiting, and make it really hard to breath. That can be pretty scary for people that aren't expecting it. She deserves the benefit of the doubt, not the executor of state law.

Either way, I saw nothing in the video that would lead me to believe the use of force was warranted.

 

[affa]

I'm not supporting or vilifying anyone. I've seen many instances where the police were out of line and acknowledged it.
I have to be objective though. I watched this video about 15 times and have a hard time determining who is doing what as it was so chaotic. The video does not show what happened prior to this and there is no context.

Notice that of the two ladies who got pepper sprayed, one cradled her head and was quiet, which is the typical reaction I see in these types of videos. The other was an absolute drama queen about it. I think she wanted to get pepper sprayed, most likely to make some sort of statement, and exaggerated her pain to help drive the point home that the cops are evil. And they often are, but I think alot of the protestors deliberately go out and make trouble and ask to get tasered or pepper sprayed.

repeating your accusation that a victim wanted to be attacked does not sound any better the second time.

different people react differently to different things. someone with glasses may react differently than someone with contacts. someone who has asthma, even differently. who knows? but your assumptions vilify the victim. you 'watched the video 15 times' and don't know 'who was doing what' yet you've made up a fictional story where she "wanted" to be pepper sprayed and is intentionally being overdramatic.

do you not see the problem with that? it requires you to vilify the victim. face value of the tape: at the time of the pepper spraying, they had been corralled, a cop walked up and pepper sprayed them. they were not being violent. furthermore, you're propagating that story online as if to quell people getting angry when seeing it by presenting the possibility 'she asked for it'. bull. that's just plain wrong on your part.


that's all we know, and that's enough to know the police were out of line. period. there is no reason to possibly suspect the woman knew she was going to get pepper sprayed and was preparing to 'act' for the cameras. that's just silly conjecture.

that in order to get across your point you not only have to engage in complete conjecture, but then place the blame on the victim, smear their name, and ignore the actual video itself says plenty. we do not know what happened before or after that video, and likely never will unless better footage comes out. making up fictional accounts of her possible motivations to push forward your anti-activist ideas is absurd.

 

[Diurdi]

That lady is being way too melodramatic.

Yup. Pepper spray sucks but really c'mon >_>

No, I'm not saying the cops were right to do that.

 

[123tim]

Slow-motion version where you can see the cop in the white shirt spraying mace about a foot away from the face of the drama queen:



Even the police on the outside of the fence were dramatic. They turned their heads and cleared out of the upwind side of the fence.

Such over-acting.

I've seen this happen a lot of times on T.V. shows and I know exactly how a person should react in real life.


The real crime here isn't the fact that non-aggressive, skinny, women were corralled into a fence and then maced in the face by a 220 pound man from five feet away. The real crime is the quality of acting done by that one woman. I never want her in a fence with me!

 

[Cowlesy]

Slow-motion version where you can see the cop in the white shirt spraying mace about a foot away from the face of the drama queen:



Even the police on the outside of the fence were dramatic. They turned their heads and cleared out of the upwind side of the fence.

Such over-acting.

I've seen this happen a lot of times on T.V. shows and I know exactly how a person should react in real life.


The real crime here isn't the fact that non-aggressive, skinny, women were corralled into a fence and then maced in the face by a 220 pound man from five feet away. The real crime is the quality of acting done by that one woman. I never want her in a fence with me!

That was ridiculous that cop pepper-sprayed those morons. He's in a white uniform which I think means he's likely a Lieutenant or higher? How could they possibly think that was a good idea.

I still want to see the whole video, but that cop should be put on desk duty. Good grief.