Glenn Beck is going down everyone help out!!! TAKE ACTION!!!

[MsDoodahs]

fringe elements that have taken root within the movement. .

That is downright offensive.

 

[Flash]

Folks, I think we're missing the entire point here. And all I ask is that you guys hear me out before you attempt to lynch me for being a heretic.

This is not a Glenn Beck issue. This is a Ron Paul (the man himself) issue. We cannot fix "it," only Ron Paul can. Allow me to explain.

Glenn Beck was correct: the Ron Paul movement comprises a number of high profile white supremacists as well as high-profile white supremacist groups, all of which are active in one way or another on Paul's behalf.

Of course, freedom, for which it is that Paul ostensibly stands for, allows us all to think and believe the way in which we all individually desire -- regardless of belief. However, ask yourselves, would you accept a donation to your campaign from Osama bin Laden? Would you accept a donation from Adolf Hitler? Would Ron Paul? And as for that last question, we simply don't know because Paul stubbornly refuses to address this issue -- an issue that is threatening to sink the entire movement.

The reason these questions are relevant is because the various Ku Klux Klan organisations are domestic terror organisations, plain and simple. This country was once heavily influenced by groups such as these, and the results were not pretty.

The sole purpose of these groups is to usher in a new society based on white supremacy, along with these particular groups' "values." These "values" that these groups hold dear are NOT freedom and liberty based At All. In fact, if you're queer, or if you're racially "inferior," or else interracially married, or else simply disagree with their brand of Christianity, etc., YOU will be a second, or else third class citizen -- if you're tolerated at all.

This is antithetical to what I have assumed Dr. Paul to stand for, which is why I donated $2300.00 to his campaign. However, as Glenn Beck correctly points out, these "fringe" groups ARE NOT representative of Freedom and Liberty -- they certainly don't subscribe to a Libertarian Live and Let Live philosophy.

And lastly, yes, the very letters "KKK" represents domestic terror. There was a time in this country's history where the KKK was allowed to run free. The result was wide-spread institutional intimidation of those who didn't fit their mold, and lynchings, i.e., rapes, murders, whippings, and kidnappings, etc: Domestic Terrorism.

So, Glenn Beck is right on. Unfortunately, not a single one of you here can repair the damage that is being done due to Dr. Paul's steadfast refusal to tackle this issue head-on. It is ultimately His issue, and he'll have to address it Himself -- no amount of bitching and complaining to Glenn beck's sponsors is going to fix what amounts to a self-inflicted wound by the campaign.

So, as all of you are free to blast off emails to everyone from God on down, it might be more productive to focus on Ground Zero: the campaign itself.

These "Nazi" stories aren't going away because there's enough there for a rational person to question. Only Ron Paul can make it go away....

NO Courtney. I don't think you saw the show. He didn't even mention 'white supremacist'. and the Neo-Nazis that support RP are few.

A lot of those Neo-Nazis support other candidates like Thompson.

 

[courtney]

NO Courtney. You didn't even watch the show, I watched it. He didn't even mention 'white supreamcist'. and the Neo-Nazis that support RP are few, and you're making a big deal out of it and torlling.

And FYI, a lot of those Neo-Nazis support other candidates like Thompson.

Flash,
Ok, I'll take your word for it. I did not watch the show, and I'm "torling."

Glad we could clear that up....

 

[Flash]

Flash,
Ok, I'll take your word for it. I did not watch the show, and I'm "torling."

Glad we could clear that up....

Where did Glenn Beck called us white supremacists? He didn't. People are trying to make a big deal out of something that its not. If you really want Ron Paul to publically call Nazis evil and give back all donations, it'll make bigger headlines with the media asking why nazis were supporting him in the first place. So far only smaller blogs talked about White supreamcists and Ron Paul, CNN and MSNBC have ignored it and rightfully so. Just as they would ignore Black Panthers supporting Obama (As they should). It won't do any good. Ignoring it is the best solution.

And yeah there are people who reply to RP Youtube videos and repeatedly ask "Why do Neo-Nazis support Ron Paul?" to try to create bad press or troll around. Its a common thing that I have found.

 

[courtney]

That is downright offensive.

I don't mean to offend, I only intend to offer a counter-view to the orthodoxy that seems to have taken root amongst many Paul supporters.

I believe bin Laden is Fringe, just as I believe nut-case, neo-nazi white supremacists are fringe, although that's decidedly not always been the case in our great country....

We're better off that they're "fringe" as well -- In my judgment, that is -- simply because what they stand for is antithetical to freedom and liberty.

And all lot of us think it's time for Dr. Paul to make that distinction.

 

[MsDoodahs]

I don't mean to offend, I only intend to offer a counter-view to the orthodoxy that seems to have taken root amongst many Paul supporters.

I believe bin Laden is Fringe, just as I believe nut-case, neo-nazi white supremacists are fringe, although that's decidedly not always been the case in our great country....

We're better off that they're "fringe" as well -- In my judgment, that is -- simply because what they stand for is antithetical to freedom and liberty.

And all lot of us think it's time for Dr. Paul to make that distinction.

No, what you are ADVOCATING is antithetical to freedom and liberty because you are seeking to SILENCE them.

They've done NOTHING wrong - they have a RIGHT to their beliefs. They are NOT forcing their beliefs on YOU.

They have a right to believe WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE.

Please refrain from calling supporters who believe what you (and granted, a majority) don't like "fringe."

 

[courtney]

Then show me where Glenn Beck called us white supremacists. He didn't. People are trying to make a big deal out of something that its not. If you really want Ron Paul to publically call Nazis evil and give back all donations, it'll make bigger headlines with the media askign why nazis were supporting him in the first place. It won't do any good. Ignoring it is the best solution.

And yeah there are people who reply to RP Youtube videos and repeatedly ask "Why do Neo-Nazis support Ron Paul?" to try to create bad press.

Beck didn't mention "white supremacists" literally. He did, however, mention "fringe elements" that may have other goals besides the tradition of freedom and liberty in mind. This definition fits with white supremacists, as well as others of a Timothy McVeigh mindset.

Furthermore, at the end of the segment, Beck states this:

'The Ron Paul Revolution,' I think it's meant to be a catchy slogan, but I fear some of his fringe supporters are taking the word 'Revolution' too literally.

He is expressing his general "fears" concerning the wolves in sheep's clothing, the fringe elements that exist in any movement.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Beck didn't mention "white supremacists" literally.

You did.

Why would a Paul supporter do such a thing?

Seems a contradiction. And since there are no contradictions, the premise must be rechecked.

Rechecking the premise yields the answer.

 

[torchbearer]

Beck didn't mention "white supremacists" literally. He did, however, mention "fringe elements" that may have other goals besides the tradition of freedom and liberty in mind. This definition fits with white supremacists, as well as others of a Timothy McVeigh mindset.

Furthermore, at the end of the segment, Beck states this:



He is expressing his general "fears" concerning the wolves in sheep's clothing, the fringe elements that exist in any movement.

Courtney, he was calling you fringe. He was calling you a neo-nazi. And if He had his way, people would stone you to death for hating america. get it? he is lumping us all into that category simply because we support ron paul.
I wonder if this is how the Jews of Nazi Germany felt when they were starting to fall victim to hate speech propaganda?
They probably even has some "apologist" in their group.

 

[courtney]

No, what you are ADVOCATING is antithetical to freedom and liberty because you are seeking to SILENCE them.

They've done NOTHING wrong - they have a RIGHT to their beliefs. They are NOT forcing their beliefs on YOU.

They have a right to believe WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE.

Please refrain from calling supporters who believe what you (and granted, a majority) don't like "fringe."

Nope, I am not attempting to silence them. I just believe that if a Presidential campaign is based upon Freedom and Liberty, then accepting donations from Adolf Hitler, or else Osama bin Laden, for instance, sends the wrong message to those with whom we're attempting to spread that message to.

Dr. Paul is free to accept, or deny, their known donations on the basis of that principle, just as they are free to participate in the political process, as well as have freedom of speech, etc.

I just can't fathom sending a "Thank-you-for-donating-$500.00-to-my-campaign" letter to Mr. Stalin is all.

With that said, I do not believe that any terrorist organisation has a "right" to exist in this Country no more than Osama bin Laden should expect that same right. And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation. Now, if the newer KKK members have renounced violence and intimidation (terror) then why can't they find themselves another banner to fly besides that of the KKK?

 

[Furis]

Beck didn't mention "white supremacists" literally. He did, however, mention "fringe elements" that may have other goals besides the tradition of freedom and liberty in mind. This definition fits with white supremacists, as well as others of a Timothy McVeigh mindset.

Furthermore, at the end of the segment, Beck states this:



He is expressing his general "fears" concerning the wolves in sheep's clothing, the fringe elements that exist in any movement.

He (NeoCon) is trying to discredit those associated with Ron Paul, discrediting Paul himself.

 

[thomj76]

This has probably already been said here, but Glen Beck supports most of what Ron Paul stands for. There was a scheduling conflict in the interview for his show and for Wolf Blitzer. In the future, I would presume that Dr. Paul will be able to get on the show.

I saw the interview, and felt it was in poor taste. I would submit that there are more positive things we can be doing to promote the message of Limited Government and Liberty.

 

[Revolution9]

Folks, I think we're missing the entire point here. And all I ask is that you guys hear me out before you attempt to lynch me for being a heretic.

How about we label you a misinformed shit disturber or a shill plant trolling their ~breaches~ off. I heard this crap last night at the coffeeshop. My answer was.. that canard?? Bush and company are real Nazis with a Nazi hertiage of funding that world warping psyop. Then I said..besides a vote for Artillery Clinton is a vote for Israilroadie. The coffee shop shit siturber then proclaimed he was Jewish and gave me the ..now yer gonna shut up victory smirk.. heh.. Not me pal.. I told him the truth. That shitty little country ain't worth a single American dollar or life. He disappeared.. presumably to phone Rabbi Chertoff of ..ahem..Das Homeland Security" and apprise him of my violating the B'nai B'rith/ADL fashioned hate speech for not thinking his country of loyalty is not worth my sons life.

If you want to know who is behind these White Supremacist groups you will find alot of Ashkenazi type names..
http://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htm
A run through of the articles..each with pictures of the culprits and a good background..the type of facts that are well known to law enforcement agencies and intel sources..will show that these ghroups are not what they appear to be and often those that they appear to oppose are actually their masterfunders and do so to push their agendas by making their opponents seem to have been the reason for such rather than their own contrived psyop.

Randy

 

[RP4ME]

Conner,

All of these attacks do one thing exceedingly well. They divert us from our real purpose. To get out the word about Ron Paul and his platform. Don't waste time with these other jerks. There are a LOT of people out there, who don't even know about Ron Paul and those who do, have propaganda stuffed in their heads. We can change that, if we only would get campaign literature in their hands, so they can see the truth for themselves.

If we are not successful in our efforts, there will be plenty of time to email Beck's sponsors AFTER the primaries. For right now, please, let's stay focused.

exactly please do not engage HIM! Its negative and its what he wants. Just let it die,.....the more you do the mor eyou draw attention to somethung that isnt reflectuve of us.....

 

[courtney]

Courtney, he was calling you fringe. He was calling you a neo-nazi. And if He had his way, people would stone you to death for hating america. get it? he is lumping us all into that category simply because we support ron paul.
I wonder if this is how the Jews of Nazi Germany felt when they were starting to fall victim to hate speech propaganda?
They probably even has some "apologist" in their group.

I'll get back to you on this. So as to give you the benefit of the doubt, I will watch the show clip again. I did not hear what you and so many others claimed to have heard.

I will say, however, that between what GB and his guests brought up, there exists plenty to either debunk -- even question the sincerity of (especially assertions made by his carefully chosen guests concerning those "libertarian sites").

But what I heard Beck say is that "most" Paul supporters are not "fringe." I'll report on what he said specifically later, however.

And BTW, if I'm wrong and I finally "see" the light that so many of the rest of you have seen, then I'll eat crow, here, on this forum.

 

[TheNewYorker]

White Supremacist != White Nationalist

 

[courtney]

White Supremacist != White Nationalist

White Supremacist = White Nationalist = ?

 

[Ozwest]

This has probably already been said here, but Glen Beck supports most of what Ron Paul stands for. There was a scheduling conflict in the interview for his show and for Wolf Blitzer. In the future, I would presume that Dr. Paul will be able to get on the show.

I saw the interview, and felt it was in poor taste. I would submit that there are more positive things we can be doing to promote the message of Limited Government and Liberty.

You cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear thomj76. Stop making excuses for the man... He made a conscious effort to slander Ron Paul and his supporters, thinking his media status cocooned him from any consequences. It was cheap gutter journalism at its worst and unethical at best... It is time he receives the thrashing he deserves!

 

[Indy Vidual]

Violence is the key issue...

...And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation...

Disclaimer: Yesterday, in another thread, I 'fought long and hard' to support the idea Dr. Paul does not gain by returning any donations, then...


Violence is the key issue, folks.
Isn't it?

Radical free speech is hard for many people to accept, and I will always fight for the rights of every individual, even the ones I disagree with.
Violence is unacceptable and there seems to be no question Dr. Paul needs to return the KKK related money.
He could also tie in a pro-peace (anti-war) reminder regarding the Middle East situation.

 

[MsDoodahs]

I just believe that if a Presidential campaign is based upon Freedom and Liberty, then accepting donations from Adolph Hitler, or else Osama bin Laden, for instance, sends the wrong message to those with whom we're attempting to spread that message to.

Those individuals acted against their fellow man. You're equating those whose beliefs you don't like with those who have acted.

There is a huge difference.

Dr. Paul is free to accept, or deny, their known donations on the basis of that principle, just as they are free to participate in the political process, as well as have freedom of speech, etc.

I just can't fathom sending a "Thank-you-for-donating-$500.00-to-my-campaign" letter to Mr. Stalin is all.

Again, there is a huge difference between those whose beliefs you don't like and those who have acted against their fellows. You're attempting to blur that line.

Why?

And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation. Now, if the newer KKK members have renounced violence and intimidation (terror) then why can't they find themselves another banner to fly besides that of the KKK?

It's their right to choose whatever banner they want to.

You aren't much into freedom, are ya?

lol...