Glenn Beck is going down everyone help out!!! TAKE ACTION!!!

[Indy Vidual]

...Again, there is a huge difference between those whose beliefs you don't like and those who have acted against their fellows...

Are you denying the KKK has a very ugly history of violence in America??

 

[TheNewYorker]

White Supremacist = White Nationalist = ?

No, White Supremacist does not equal White Nationalist. White Supremacists believe that whites are superior to other races and that other races should not exist. White Nationalists believe in defending the white race and being proud of who you are, just like it's OK for people to be proud to be black.

Don Black and the other "nazis" from "stormfront" that Glenn Back and the media are talking about are White Nationalists, not White Supremacists.

I'm white, and would consider myself a white nationalist, there's nothing wrong with being white and I'm proud of who I am, if there's something wrong with being white come shoot me or paint me a different color then.

Also white nationalists are so fond of Dr. Paul because he's tough on illegal immigrations, and at the rate that illegal mexicans are pouring into this country, whites will soon not even exist, or be a very small minority in the USA by the year 2050, and the white race should not be exterminated, should it? If you are against white nationalism you are basically like hitler, just instead of hating jews you hate white people.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Radical free speech is hard for many people to accept, and I will always fight for the rights of every individual, even the ones I disagree with.

+1

 

[TheNewYorker]

Are you denying the KKK has a very ugly history of violence in America??

Who knows. I didn't live during that time, and I certainly as hell don't trust the media, after all we know first-hand how honest they have been with Ron Paul.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Are you denying the KKK has a very ugly history of violence in America??

No, where did I say that?

 

[literatim]

With that said, I do not believe that any terrorist organisation has a "right" to exist in this Country no more than Osama bin Laden should expect that same right. And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation. Now, if the newer KKK members have renounced violence and intimidation (terror) then why can't they find themselves another banner to fly besides that of the KKK?

You know the Catholics had a violent history, do they fit the definition of a domestic terrorist organization?

Shouldn't you be asking the Catholics why they can't find themselves another banner to fly because of the Protestants they killed?

 

[Indy Vidual]

Are you denying the KKK has a very ugly history of violence in America??

No, where did I say that?

I didn't claim you did
Just needed to follow up on this, please:


Violence is the key issue, folks.
Isn't it?

Radical free speech is hard for many people to accept, and I will always fight for the rights of every individual, even the ones I disagree with.
Violence is unacceptable and there seems to be no question (Edit: See comments below) Dr. Paul needs to return the KKK related money. (Edit: See comments below)
He could also tie in a pro-peace (anti-war) reminder regarding the Middle East situation.

Edit: I normally do not 'flip-flop' on issues.
This 'racial crap' is pretty new to me...

...Post #109 shows my final view on this very difficult issue.

 

[MsDoodahs]

And BTW, if I'm wrong and I finally "see" the light that so many of the rest of you have seen, then I'll eat crow, here, on this forum.

???

In your initial post, you claimed to be a staunch supporter of Dr. Paul, even claiming that you've already maxxed your donation.

This is antithetical to what I have assumed Dr. Paul to stand for, which is why I donated $2300.00 to his campaign.

Which is it?

 

[Indy Vidual]

You know the Catholics had a violent history, do they fit the definition of a domestic terrorist organization?

Shouldn't you be asking the Catholics why they can't find themselves another banner to fly because of the Protestants they killed?

Damn, you guys are good

Fine...
...I (once again) understand why Dr. Paul should not return the money.
This might be a really 'difficult sale' to convince the masses, but I'm grateful for the challenging debate here.
Thanks

 

[MsDoodahs]

I didn't claim you did
Just needed to follow up on this, please:


Violence is the key issue, folks.
Isn't it?

Yes - I think I said "acted against their fellows" to refer to it rather than saying "murdered a bunch of people" or "used violence."

I think we're on the same page. Even in the same paragraph.

 

[Revolution9]

Nope, I am not attempting to silence them. I just believe that if a Presidential campaign is based upon Freedom and Liberty, then accepting donations from Adolph Hitler, or else Osama bin Laden, for instance, sends the wrong message to those with whom we're attempting to spread that message to.

Dr. Paul is free to accept, or deny, their known donations on the basis of that principle, just as they are free to participate in the political process, as well as have freedom of speech, etc.

I just can't fathom sending a "Thank-you-for-donating-$500.00-to-my-campaign" letter to Mr. Stalin is all.

With that said, I do not believe that any terrorist organisation has a "right" to exist in this Country no more than Osama bin Laden should expect that same right. And the KKK Fits the definition of a Domestic Terrorist organisation -- only because of the violent history of that organisation. Now, if the newer KKK members have renounced violence and intimidation (terror) then why can't they find themselves another banner to fly besides that of the KKK?

So who is B'nai B'rith and ADL which is a terrorist oprganisation donating their money to? Are they to be held to the same stricture as the White Pride and similar groups? Are all white ackowledging and membership limited groups falling under the same umbrella? If a lady wants to give care to white only children..as some do withblack children and jewish and muslim..then why is this an act of White Supremacists and not someone looking after their own kind? A lady in NJ years back was treated to the NeoNazi smear campaign for starting and organisation to help white kids.. They shut her down while similar organisations exist for black and jewish children.

Whether you see it or not you are prejudiced and/or a victim of brainwashing techniques. Ever have a good notice of how everything wrong with America is the white mans fault and the white man has the power and the white man this and that and the other.. But yet when we exhibit pride in our cultural heritage immediately the hitler/nazi canard is trumpeted.. But hey..don't say anything about the Ashkennazi or the colored law of hate crimes will bandy you about your skull with a billy club, incarcerate you and steal your savings and future. There is a concerted effort to dismantle the moral and libertarian gains of Western Culture of the rennaisance and baroque and enlightenment periods and turn back the clock to the days of theocratic rule by Royal proxies. To do this they need us stupid, unpossessed of natural cultural momentum save for their programmed route and willing to sacrifice your morality in the name of their immorlity disgusied as morality. This is not an accident of hostory but part of a millenial plan germinated ceturies prior and put into action through theological and monetary centers and kep in motion by family trees and secret lodges within public lodges.

On a closing thought.. White Supremacists who are like the skinheads I have known are dangerous..not toyou and me..unless we are in a mosh pit with them..but because they will not lie down,. shut up and be subjugated witout a fight. I did not see any of them looking to take out the government. They were mostly from lower class Scottish/Irish/german households and their parents lived amongst other immigrant groups who competed for labor and women and goods and markets with these othe ethnicities and a certain amount of animopsity was bandied about in their household. Thje ones that I see now I knew ten or twenty years ago have children and work, or made a career in the US Forces or Law Enforcement. Bogey men are everywhere.. Do you check under your bed at night prior to dozing off?


Randy

 

[Revolution9]

Who knows. I didn't live during that time, and I certainly as hell don't trust the media, after all we know first-hand how honest they have been with Ron Paul.

http://judicial-inc.biz/1.3.fbi_uses_mobster_to_crack_missis.htm

It ain't all cracked up to be what it seems. This site has a succinct set of pages of damning facts ala Joe Friday of Dragnet style. The gambits played are similar throughout the years they cover. The personalities in play and their connections are quite illuminating.

Randy

 

[Flash]

No, White Supremacist does not equal White Nationalist.

I agree- White Nationalists are much better than supremacists. I've met a few online and they were friendlier.

However I'm against all forms of racism and that junk, I believe in Libertarianism. I don't think races need to be seperated from each other or segregated.

 

[American]

I agree- White Nationalists are much better than supremacists. I've met a few online and they were friendlier.

However I'm against all forms of racism and that junk, I believe in Libertarianism. I don't think races need to be seperated from each other or segregated.

I'm not supporting the White Nationalist view but I think your statement here is misleading. If its a group of mutual understanding then I dont see a problem with it. I wouldnt call it a group of segregation or seperation.

 

[TooConservative]

I think Beck's show went so far over the line that a response from us supporters (a.k.a. terrorists) is appropriate. We should be serious, substantive and serious. We should let the advertisers know we will not forget their actions if they continue to sponsor a media figure who labels us, their customers, as terrorists. Beck is the one who went after us. He's not calling Ron Paul a terrorist, he's slandering us.

Otherwise, we should be positive and focus on Ron Paul's positive message and getting him elected.

 

[MsDoodahs]

I agree- White Nationalists are much better than supremacists. I've met a few online and they were friendlier.

However I'm against all forms of racism and that junk, I believe in Libertarianism. I don't think races need to be seperated from each other or segregated.

I'm personally against it but I will defend another's right to believe otherwise.



edited to add - If an individual freely chooses to self-segregate, that's their choice and I'll defend their right to make such a choice.

 

[jamesmadison]

So who is B'nai B'rith and ADL which is a terrorist oprganisation donating their money to? Are they to be held to the same stricture as the White Pride and similar groups? Are all white ackowledging and membership limited groups falling under the same umbrella? If a lady wants to give care to white only children..as some do withblack children and jewish and muslim..then why is this an act of White Supremacists and not someone looking after their own kind? A lady in NJ years back was treated to the NeoNazi smear campaign for starting and organisation to help white kids.. They shut her down while similar organisations exist for black and jewish children.

Whether you see it or not you are prejudiced and/or a victim of brainwashing techniques. Ever have a good notice of how everything wrong with America is the white mans fault and the white man has the power and the white man this and that and the other.. But yet when we exhibit pride in our cultural heritage immediately the hitler/nazi canard is trumpeted.. But hey..don't say anything about the Ashkennazi or the colored law of hate crimes will bandy you about your skull with a billy club, incarcerate you and steal your savings and future. There is a concerted effort to dismantle the moral and libertarian gains of Western Culture of the rennaisance and baroque and enlightenment periods and turn back the clock to the days of theocratic rule by Royal proxies. To do this they need us stupid, unpossessed of natural cultural momentum save for their programmed route and willing to sacrifice your morality in the name of their immorlity disgusied as morality. This is not an accident of hostory but part of a millenial plan germinated ceturies prior and put into action through theological and monetary centers and kep in motion by family trees and secret lodges within public lodges.

On a closing thought.. White Supremacists who are like the skinheads I have known are dangerous..not toyou and me..unless we are in a mosh pit with them..but because they will not lie down,. shut up and be subjugated witout a fight. I did not see any of them looking to take out the government. They were mostly from lower class Scottish/Irish/german households and their parents lived amongst other immigrant groups who competed for labor and women and goods and markets with these othe ethnicities and a certain amount of animopsity was bandied about in their household. Thje ones that I see now I knew ten or twenty years ago have children and work, or made a career in the US Forces or Law Enforcement. Bogey men are everywhere.. Do you check under your bed at night prior to dozing off?


Randy

I have never heard anyone say that white people are the problem in this country.

The problem in this country is stupidity.

 

[Indy Vidual]

...I'm against all forms of racism and that junk, I believe in Libertarianism. I don't think races need to be separated from each other or segregated.

Bravo!

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Here is the only (easy) way to win racial debates:

((Please, post this-or similar-every time you hear the endless 'racist slurs' against Dr. Paul))

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Ron Paul views people a individuals not groups.
Racism and religious bigotry are collective concepts.

Ron Paul supports individual concepts, not collective concepts.
By definition Ron Paul is not a racist.

 

[TheNewYorker]

I'm not supporting the White Nationalist view but I think your statement here is misleading. If its a group of mutual understanding then I dont see a problem with it. I wouldnt call it a group of segregation or seperation.

Well us White Nationalists believe in being proud to be white and keeping the white race alive, nothing more, not hating other races like the KKK/White Supremacists/Nazis do.

Statistics don't lie, at the rate that illegal mexicans are coming into the USA, and at the rate that the other races are multiplying like rabbits, by the year 2050 (in everyone here's lifetime) whites will be the smallest minority group in the USA save maybe native americans and asians. And by the year 2150 the white race will no longer exist in North America, possibly Europe as well.

Just like the holocaust was an atrocious thing, the genocide of the white race is a horrible thing to, and I'm not going to sit by and watch my own flesh and blood get exterminated. Racial genocide is wrong, just because whites are the current majority, does not make it alright for us to get exterminated.

 

[Revolution9]

I have never heard anyone say that white people are the problem in this country.

The problem in this country is stupidity.

Agreed with your second premise. The first may be an indication of your geographic locale or the cultural spheres you inhabit. I am in Atlanta..a town of reverse racism. We are all very bad slave owning, inidian killing, money grubbing, empire driven racists.. Entire pockets of the population here think like this.. I just tell them.. eff you and give me your iPod and Volvo and that wristwatch..cause you'll be damned taking any benefit from something a white man had a hand in..heh. Mind you.. I grew up in Canada and Europe.. Things are quite different there and people do not note the differences as they do here. As well, in Canada there are no such monikers as African-Canadian.. WTF is that.. Yer either African or Canadian..and if African what country? America needs to become unconfused.. Stuff like this neonazi/zionist shills brouhaha do not help but only create more lines of perceptual and virtual but non-real division

Best Regards
Randy