Glenn Beck evolving?

To use your own analogy, there are three courses of action within the political process:

1) There are those who are driving the ship directly into the iceberg at full speed.
2) There are those who are putting the brakes on and trying to change course.
3) There are those who are sitting at the bar while all this is going on and blaming everyone else, including the iceberg.

It seems like you are part of the third group.

Fascinating. Isn't it something how you can sit there on your side of the internet and determine what exactly other people are doing on behalf of the liberty movement just on the simple fact that they don't agree with spreading the message the same way you do?

Tho' I'm not, I'd rather be sitting at the bar blaming the driver of the ship than sitting at the bridge driving the damned thing into the iceberg.
 
Tho' I'm not, I'd rather be sitting at the bar blaming the driver of the ship than sitting at the bridge driving the damned thing into the iceberg.
I'd rather help devise an effective strategy on how to take back control of the ship. I stress: effective strategy.
 
I'd rather help devise an effective strategy on how to take back control of the ship. I stress: effective strategy.

I'm organizing educational efforts in my area, with the help of just two other people.

This is where I feel most moved, and most effective, within the liberty movement.
 
I'm organizing educational efforts in my area, with the help of just two other people.

This is where I feel most moved, and most effective, within the liberty movement.

Are your educational efforts directing people to the Constitution or to Anarchy?
 
Ron Paul says we need to go back to the Constitution. Is Ron Paul, the "Champion of the Constitution," wrong?

Getting back to it would be a good start,,

unfortunately,, it is not going to happen. This country is not even moving in that direction.
 
Fascinating. Isn't it something how you can sit there on your side of the internet and determine what exactly other people are doing on behalf of the liberty movement just on the simple fact that they don't agree with spreading the message the same way you do?

Tho' I'm not, I'd rather be sitting at the bar blaming the driver of the ship than sitting at the bridge driving the damned thing into the iceberg.

Analogies are not perfect, but they do serve to illustrate a point, so allow me to expand on the previous post that you quoted.

The Socialists in this country have had a goal for 100+ years of implementing full scale Socialism. When the ship hits the iceberg, the ship sinks and we are likely at a point from which we cannot recover. That would be full blown USSR style socialism. Obama, Pelosi, Reed and others are the captains of the ship and they are driving us full steam ahead at that iceberg, because they truly want this ship to sink.

But throughout the last 100 years there have been men and women who have worked to slow down their progress, and at times veer the ship of course. Granted what is needed is for the ship to do a 180 and drive back to liberty, but we simply do not have the numbers to do so at this juncture. We (whether it be conservatives, libertarians, constitutionalists, an-caps, agorists or whatever camp one falls into) are losing the battle to the socialists in both the education front and the political front. Just look at the health care issue for one example. 40 years ago you would be hard pressed to find many Americans who believed that the federal government should be the sole provider of medical care - today however, you have a sizable percentage of the population that thinks that might not be a bad idea. Now there are people from all of the previously noted "anti-socialist" groups that have united in both the educational and political realms to put the brakes on the ship and steer it off course. If it had not been for these efforts, we would have hit that iceberg many years ago.

The third group I referenced (those who are sitting at the bar while all this is going on and blaming everyone else, including the iceberg), are that group of people who are so unwilling to make any sort of concessions on issues, strategy, policy, etc that they fall into a form of inaction. Sure they might be "holding to their principles", they might be "educating others in the cause of liberty"; but what have their efforts produced? They don't help to steer the ship to another course, they do not help to put the brakes on, because they dare not soil their hands by associating with someone who might differ with their orthodoxy. In truth, they spend so much time arguing how group 2 is the enemy that the true enemies of liberty carry on without much impediment.

The LP is a good example of a group 3 mentality. 40+ years of work and has the country improved at all under their watch or has government grown exponentially? We all know the answer, but yet the same type of people clamor on in their ineffectiveness patting themselves on the back for their "work" which in the long run does nothing to effect the overall situation. They are fiddling while Rome burns, fiddling and basking in the glory of their own self imposed orthodoxy.

Rand Paul will run in 2016. Rand Paul will be the most conservative/libertarian candidate that has a viable shot of winning the office. Rand, along with his allies in Congress, may be the man that can turn the ship around (or at the very least bring the ship to a complete halt and throw down the anchor) Instead of focusing on the 95% of issues where you agree with Rand, these people spend their life's work critiquing him on the 5% they disagree with. In that sense they give aid and comfort to the radical left, rather than assisting those with whom they claim allegiance. I have no place for them in my world, and I have zero respect for them.
 
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No, he's not wrong. I just wouldn't *stop* at the constitution, however.

The constitution was a coup.
Lets get back to the Constitution first, then decide where to go from there. The Federal Government would also like to destroy the Constitution because "freedom of speech" and "gun rights" get in the way of their statist plans.
 
Getting back to it would be a good start,,

unfortunately,, it is not going to happen. This country is not even moving in that direction.
Sad to say. Seems we take one step forward and three steps backwards. If we go forward at all. [Glenn Beck has minimal responsibility for the one step forward]
 
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No, he's not wrong. I just wouldn't *stop* at the constitution, however.

The constitution was a coup.
How so?

The Constitution put checks on the Federal government, on different branches. That those would be eroded by money and corruption is somewhat predictable. The intentions were good, and it is still a great document. Hell, without it, you could bet your ass this forum wouldn't even be here.

The Constitution is an amazing document, especially considering when it was written. Their inclusions of not being forced to incriminate yourself, not being subject to search and seizure at the government's whims, being able to see who accused you and respond, etc. etc. etc. shows that times really haven't changed.

Hell, I wish I was as smart a man as to forsee most of the problems with the country. Or to write a document that stands relevant for centuries.
 
It was a coup in that represents an accumulation of power in the central government.

I didn't say it was a bad document.
 
How so?

The Constitution put checks on the Federal government, on different branches. That those would be eroded by money and corruption is somewhat predictable. The intentions were good, and it is still a great document. Hell, without it, you could bet your ass this forum wouldn't even be here.

The Constitution is an amazing document, especially considering when it was written. Their inclusions of not being forced to incriminate yourself, not being subject to search and seizure at the government whims, being able to see who accused you and respond, etc. etc. etc. shows that times really haven't changed.

Hell, I wish I was as smart a man as to forsee most of the problems with the country. Or to write a document that stands relevant for centuries.

Oh, "A Son of Liberty" is calling the switch from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution was a "Coup" even though the states agreed to switch to the Constitution.
 
"500 different stances per issue over the years," eh? Could you please list a few of these changes in policy views (not campaign endorsements) where Beck went from the more libertarian position to the more authoritarian position? If you can name even one, I'd be surprised.

Consider this a formal challenge.

Oh I'm your huckleberry baby ;)



But you're gonna have to do alot better than pretend Beck has always had a libertarian position and never authoritarian. Educate yourself about the subject before challenging someone.
 
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