Glenn Beck evolving?

[A Son of Liberty]

You have that backwards. Votes are more important than talk. As they say: "Talk is cheap."

No I don't. I'm not going to vote for Rand for President in 2016 if his rhetoric is off.

 

[FrankRep]

No I don't. I'm not going to vote for Rand for President in 2016 if his rhetoric is off.

That is your choice.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

That is your choice.

And more than likely the choice of over half the voters in this country.

 

[FrankRep]

And more than likely the choice of over half the voters in this country.

One half voted Barack Obama and the other half voted Mitt Romney.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

One half voted Barack Obama and the other half voted Mitt Romney.

Half voted for Obama because he was a rhetorical peace-monger.

You people are deluding yourselves, and you're steering this ship right into the fucking iceberg.

 

[FrankRep]

Half voted for Obama because he was a rhetorical peace-monger.

According to you, rhetoric is more important than action.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

According to you, rhetoric is more important than action.

Rhetoric tells a voter what he needs to know about a candidate.

You people are deluding yourselves, and you're steering this ship right into the fucking iceberg.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Rhetoric tells a voter what he needs to know about a candidate.

You people are deluding yourselves, and you're steering this ship right into the fucking iceberg.

To use your own analogy, there are three courses of action within the political process:

1) There are those who are driving the ship directly into the iceberg at full speed.
2) There are those who are putting the brakes on and trying to change course.
3) There are those who are sitting at the bar while all this is going on and blaming everyone else, including the iceberg.

It seems like you are part of the third group.

 

[FrankRep]

Rhetoric tells a voter what he needs to know about a candidate.

Rand Paul's Conservative Rhetoric well serve him well with Conservatives.
Rand Paul's Constitutionalist voting record will win over the Constitutionalists.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Rhetoric tells a voter what he needs to know about a candidate.

You people are deluding yourselves, and you're steering this ship right into the fucking iceberg.

Although this ^ is apparently not a popular view around here, it is correct. Voters in this countries are more easily swayed by rhetoric than. RP brought hard facts and painful truth to Boobus in the last few election cycles. It failed because although RP is a master of rhetoric, he failed to use it properly, and his opponents and the media took advantage of that.

Rand Paul's Conservative Rhetoric well serve him well with Conservatives.

Rand Paul's Constitutionalist voting record will win over the Constitutionalists.

Those people don't vote in large enough numbers to matter much at this time.

 

[FrankRep]

Those people don't vote in large enough numbers to matter much at this time.

Rand Paul has the potential to win over the Conservatives to get the nomination and crush any leftist the Democrats prop up.

 

[Article V]

Rand Paul endorsed Romney while his father was still in the race?

Yes. Rand called it "compromising on strategy, not on principle," which coincidentally is exactly the argument Beck made when endorsing Santorum before Romney.

Who's no better than the Mainstream Mafia?

You.

The fact that Beck was willing to put that crap on his face at all--the very fact that Beck knew that trick--speaks volumes. And it was pragmatism that got us into this mess. How is it supposed to get us out? Understanding what our principles are, understanding why they used to work so well for us, and standing by them like bedrock will get us out of this mess, or we'll go down with the ship. There's no third way.

The Time magazine make-up artist for the photo shoot knew it. You imagining that Beck knew it is your own pure speculation that you claim as fact so you can gin up support and more Beck hatred from the rest of us. This makes you a rabble-rousing demagogue, which is the thing Ron Paul detests most. And, even if Beck knew it (and there's zero proof of that), so what? I knew it too; does that speak volumes about me?! If Time magazine wanted to do a feature on you highlighting your mass appeal and the photographer wanted to spoof the emotional nature of your love for liberty with a crybaby picture, how would you summon the fake tears necessary for the shoot? Hmm? Would you have preferred Beck magicked the tears to his eyes? Or are you saying Beck should never be allowed to do a photo spoofing his own weepy sentimentality? Seriously, answer those questions!

Face it, you are a hater who will hate anyone with power with whom you disagree, especially if that person actually thinks they're on your side. You're the embodiment of the very worst aspects of our movement: a true believer who betrays the cause by becoming a bully spewing venom, inciting hatred, and causing us all by association to look like unstable, immature children ready to tar and feather any who disagree with us.

If you care about freedom, restrain your hatred and retool your rhetoric. Otherwise, you only succeed in making the masses believe liberty is a fearful opiate that needs to be controlled and regulated lest it drive all men equally mad.

 

[Legend1104]

"What does it matter? Just that in every way, whether out of fale motives or ture, Christ is proclaimed. And in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice." Philippians 1:18

At least the message is being spread. Whether he is doing it for personal gain or because he truely believes, at least it is being spread. We have to have faith in the message. If we teach people the ideal of individualism and free thought, then hopefully when the time comes, they will be able to use it.

 

[S.Shorland]

Maybe he wants video hits? Probably trying to convince those unfamiliar with the subject,too.Then he co-opts.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Glenn Beck has had about 500 different stances per issue over the years. He changes his stances often enough to make Romney blush.

To believe Beck is to undermine yourself and to attempt to convince others that he is sincere is to insult their intelligence and prey on their ignorance.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

So you're mad that Rand Paul talks like a Conservative and votes like a Libertarian.

Lol conservative? Define conservative and then explain how his words over the past 6 months fit into that definition.

 

[Article V]

Glenn Beck has had about 500 different stances per issue over the years. He changes his stances often enough to make Romney blush.

To believe Beck is to undermine yourself and to attempt to convince others that he is sincere is to insult their intelligence and prey on their ignorance.

"500 different stances per issue over the years," eh? Could you please list a few of these changes in policy views (not campaign endorsements) where Beck went from the more libertarian position to the more authoritarian position? If you can name even one, I'd be surprised.

Consider this a formal challenge.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Rhetoric comes before votes. I would vote based upon rhetoric.

LOLOLOLOL Rocco, who very recently extrapolated my entire personality on the evidence of a few posts, neg rep'd me for this post.

You know what? There are some really stupid people who've invaded this MOVEMENT, and they are leading it DIRECTLY into the path of an iceberg.

Have fun.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

"What does it matter? Just that in every way, whether out of fale motives or ture, Christ is proclaimed. And in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice." Philippians 1:18

At least the message is being spread. Whether he is doing it for personal gain or because he truely believes, at least it is being spread. We have to have faith in the message. If we teach people the ideal of individualism and free thought, then hopefully when the time comes, they will be able to use it.

Glenn Beck spreads neither a libertarian message nor a Chistian message.

 

[FrankRep]

LOLOLOLOL Rocco, who very recently extrapolated my entire personality on the evidence of a few posts, neg rep'd me for this post.

You know what? There are some really stupid people who've invaded this MOVEMENT, and they are leading it DIRECTLY into the path of an iceberg.

Rand Paul is not the one leading us into an Iceberg.