Gaza under attack by Israel

[Pauls' Revere]

so, what would happen if Egypt, Gaza, Jordan, Syria, lebanon, The West Bank, and for shits and giggles Iran. All decided to simultaneously attack Israel?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

so, what would happen if Egypt, Gaza, Jordan, Syria, lebanon, The West Bank, and for shits and giggles Iran. All decided to simultaneously attack Israel?

The Middle East would be turned into a parking lot and the neocons would get their wish of redrawing the region.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Hamas has launched over 200 rockets and various missiles into Israel since this began. 8 Israelis are dead. Israel did not "Attack Gaza" as the thread title seems to pretend. Israel is defending itself.

Not true.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Because of Ron Paul and his character. Ron Paul is more than Lady Gaga ever will be. It is sad that people who followed Ron Paul around the campaigns had no substance and Ron Paul lost the nominations because of their immaturity and being ridiculed in the media because of people who called themselves Ron Paul voter but didn't knew a damn thing about liberalism. So sad that he left congress as well.

Don't you love how sock puppet accounts show up in certain threads?

 

[awake]

Most of the critical posts of Israels aggression and occupation in this thread will soon become a hate crime...So keep that in mind. One however, can call the Palestinians a savage sub human race of terrorist murders and get a medal.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

If you haven't been to that part of the world "SHHH". Your argument reminds me of stupid Democrats who blame our economic woes on George Bush. Yes, he may of helped in the destruction, but the reality is that 100 years of Fed policy has killed our economy.

Like I said, you see Zionism, but I see religious zeal, the Crusades, the Muslim Conquests and everything in-between including the BOOK OF GENESIS.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Also important:

It happened near the border.

Immigration hawks take notice. This is what you ostensibly support.

Don't try to pin Israeli terrorism on me bro.

 

[Zatch]

Can somebody please summarize the history between Israel and the Palestinians for me? I don't have the time to research it in depth and cut through all the propaganda from both sides.

My intuition tells me that Israel is the aggressor and the worse of the two evils. Antiwar.com seems to present this narrative as well. So, what is really going on with the whole situation?

 

[Brett85]

You are correct, unfortunately. At the same time, I think part of being a good liberty supporter is educating yourself. If a person was that closed minded to begin with they were probably never going to come onboard anyway.

I don't really understand what hatred of Israel has to do with "liberty." I've never heard Ron Paul use a term like "Zionist." He's opposed to entangling alliances, but I've never heard him use the kind of rhetoric towards Israel that people here use.

 

[paulbot24]

I don't really understand what hatred of Israel has to do with "liberty." I've never heard Ron Paul use a term like "Zionist." He's opposed to entangling alliances, but I've never heard him use the kind of rhetoric towards Israel that people here use.

I believe the rhetoric you hear in these forums is aimed not necessarily on Israel but rather at the influence of AIPAC and its corrupt effects on foreign policies and debate within this country. I can't speak for others on here but that is what I sense from listening to Ron talk about "entangling alliances."

 

[Brett85]

I believe the rhetoric you hear in these forums is aimed not necessarily on Israel but rather at the influence of AIPAC and its corrupt effects on foreign policies and debate within this country.

I'm opposed to AIPAC as well, because I don't believe that we should allow a lobbying group from a foreign country to dictate our country's foreign policy. If I were a member of Congress, AIPAC would probably hate me. But, I separate my opposition to entangling alliances from how I personally view Israel. I don't have any problem at all with Israel on a personal level. I'm simply opposed to giving out foreign aid to any country, because I view it as a form of income redistribution. The people who are fans of Israel should donate their own money to them voluntarily.

 

[paulbot24]

I separate my opposition to entangling alliances from how I personally view Israel. I don't have any problem at all with Israel on a personal level.

I am not picking on you at all but I think this comment makes an interesting point. When topics like foreign aid and alliances come up, you always hear the ubiquitous "including Israel" clause. This usually turns into "even Israel"! Are these clauses really necessary when America is discussing foreign policy issues? Last time I checked, Israel is still a foreign nation. Yet if you lump them into the "all the rest of the world" category in political discussion here in America, you are somehow personally full of hate or an anti-Semite unless you say, "including Israel."

 

[Aeroneous]

I don't really understand what hatred of Israel has to do with "liberty." I've never heard Ron Paul use a term like "Zionist." He's opposed to entangling alliances, but I've never heard him use the kind of rhetoric towards Israel that people here use.

I wasn't necessarily trying to tie the two together directly, although I can see how it probably looked that way by my previous post.

I was more referring to the idea that someone looking to expand their own personal knowledge needs to be open minded about ideas that are contradictory to what they've always "known." My point was that if someone is so closed minded to hearing the opposing side of an Israel-Palestine argument, they probably weren't going to come around to many of the liberty related issues on this forum.

I suppose thinking that way probably isn't beneficial to our goals, but that's simply what I've been encountering latey.

 

[furface]

Zionism is a virtual disease that spreads among people with low resistance to hypocritical ideas. I'm serious. It spreads very much like diseases do affecting the weak more than healthy people. It's worth studying it as such because it will tell us a lot about how destructive ideas can take hold of society and wreck havoc on them.

 

[angelatc]

I guaranfukintee you that there would be a long ass thread if this was being done by the Brits.......actually longer than this thread as everyone here is used to the Israel/Palestine conflict

Not to mention the British Empire already collapsed. We don't have to point out how they're a bunch of greedy, violent land.resource grabbers because the sun already set on the British empire. Instead, we get to use their past as an example of how not to conduct foreign policy.

 

[angelatc]

Hamas are launching rockets to KILL. Israel are launching rockets back to take out Hamas' ability to launch such rockets. Know the fucking difference.

If Muslims give up their weapons, there will be peace. If Jews give up their weapons, there will be genocide.

This is simply a lie. For starts, the Muslims have no weapons to give up. And the targets that Israel is choosing are not military targets. How can anybody look at the land that Israel has illegally occupied over the last 50 years, and decide they're the victims?

 

[awake]

The difference between the State of Israel and the people of Israel is critical. The State of Israel are a bunch of thugs, terrorists and murders. The people who are abused under this rule are probably pretty good people I'm sure.

The oppressors who operate the state are not the ruled...They are the rulers who are the cowards, knaves, murders, liars, thieves and the general immoral decay of humanity. When people are saying Israel this and Israel that they are meaning the rotten compost that resides over all of us that decides to murder and steal at will. The state is not the peace loving people who make up the slaves under these crooks.

Separation of cancer and healthy cell is critical.

The same goes for the Palestinians...Their state apparatus is no different. But the fault of the current war resides in the first expropriations of life and property. This can be clearly drawn back to the foundation of the state of Israel.

Saying that both sides are responsible is the same as saying thier is no agressor, which happens to work very well for the state of Isreal.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I don't really understand what hatred of Israel has to do with "liberty." I've never heard Ron Paul use a term like "Zionist." He's opposed to entangling alliances, but I've never heard him use the kind of rhetoric towards Israel that people here use.

Do not pretend you haven't seen these videos pasted in this thread. You will not be taken seriously until you watch them. Israelis are occupying terrorists. Gaza is a concentration camp. Pure and simple.

 

[LibertyEagle]

JFKIII, just how many threads are you going to post those videos in? You do realize that just because something is in a video, doesn't make it factual, right?