IDF ANNOUNCES ANNEXATION OF THE GAZA STRIP

[Invisible Man]

The same thing that happens under a failed state when you lose a war.

The territory becomes forfeit and the people are forced to surrender or seek asylum elsewhere.

Has Israel openly said that's their intent?

Or is this just something you made up?

 

[nikcers]

Has Israel openly said that's their intent?

Or is this just something you made up?

Hamas is the government of the territory Hamas rules Gaza.

Israel has repeatedly said since October 7th their war aims are to destroy Hamas.

Once you topple a government you get a power vacuum and you either fill that power vacuum or something else does.

 

[Invisible Man]

Hamas is the government of the territory Hamas rules Gaza.

Israel has repeatedly said since October 7th their war aims are to destroy Hamas.

Once you topple a government you get a power vacuum and you either fill that power vacuum or something else does.

I can't tell how any of this relates to your claim that Israel's stated intention is to expel the entire existing Palestinian population.

Edit: Or maybe I misunderstood your previous post. Now that I read it again, I see that you said surrender or seek asylum elsewhere. But then this just goes right back to my original question. Assuming that those who surrender get to stay there, then what will their status be? Will they have representation in the Knesset?

 

[nikcers]

I can't tell how any of this relates to your claim that Israel's stated intention is to expel the entire existing Palestinian population.

Edit: Or maybe I misunderstood your previous post. Now that I read it again, I see that you said surrender or seek asylum elsewhere. But then this just goes right back to my original question. Assuming that those who surrender get to stay there, then what will their status be? Will they have representation in the Knesset?

Well when we toppled the government of the empire of Japan. General Douglas MacArthur became effective ruler of Japan. He became "shogun".

We filled the power vacuum and then forced them to write a constitution that was of the people by the people for the people.

Of course that required complete unconditional surrender. Otherwise Truman was going to keep bombing Japan and that's what effectively won the war.

What sealed the deal was that Stalin was massacring their way through Korea and central Asia and our reputation for how we treated prisoners of war was better than theirs.

Our prisoners got to eat bacon and eggs and Japan was hungry. Japan and Germany surrendered to us for good reason. Stalin starved people.

Israel's reputation isn't as good as ours.

That's why Trump recommended they should surrender to the United States.

Iraq surrendered to the United States. They have representation.

 

[Invisible Man]

We filled the power vacuum and then forced them to write a constitution that was of the people by the people for the people.

Are you suggesting that this is what Israel intends to do with the Palestinian population? And if so, have they actually said this?

Because that is the point of my line of questioning. Annexing the Gaza Strip and allowing its population to have representation in the newly enlarged state of Israel will lead to consequences that the war hawks of Israel may not want. It could potentially entail Israel no longer being defined as a Jewish state.

Granted, a development like this might be a net good. I just doubt that this is really what the war hawks in Israel want.

N.B. as for a written constitution, Israel itself doesn't have a written constitution.

 

[nikcers]

Are you suggesting that this is what Israel intends to do with the Palestinian population? And if so, have they actually said this?

Because that is the point of my line of questioning. Annexing the Gaza Strip and allowing its population to have representation in the newly enlarged state of Israel will lead to consequences that the war hawks of Israel may not want. It could potentially entail Israel no longer being defined as a Jewish state.

Granted, a development like this might be a net good. I just doubt that this is really what the war hawks in Israel want.

N.B. as for a written constitution, Israel itself doesn't have a written constitution.

I think it really doesn't matter what Israel says they are going to do. What matters is their reputation.

The people of Gaza and increasingly even the people of TikTok are brainwashed to believe what they believe.

So even if I had a crystal ball or a time machine and could show people exactly what Israel would do in Gaza and how it would look and that it was good nobody would believe it.

Israel is basically a brand new country compared to the United States so there is no historical record that demonstrates what they will do.

The historical record for the United States on the other hand exists.

Stalin hand picked the ruler of North Korea, and South Korea has government of the people by the people for the people.

I would rather live in South Korea than North Korea.

If I were them I would rather surrender to the United States than any other country if given a choice.

Who knows what happens if they surrender to Israel. I sure don't know.

 

[Invisible Man]

Who knows what happens if they surrender to Israel. I sure don't know.

OK. But that's what this thread is about.

Earlier I thought you were saying that you agreed that Israel planned to annex Gaza. It sounds like you're saying the opposite though.

 

[acptulsa]

If I were them I would rather surrender to the United States than any other country if given a choice.

Who knows what happens if they surrender to Israel. I sure don't know.

So, you haven't had enough emigres? You want Trump to take possession of the entire population of Gaza (what's left of it) on behalf of us as well?

You're a damned sight more liberal than I am. Um, congratulations?

 

[nikcers]

OK. But that's what this thread is about.

Earlier I thought you were saying that you agreed that Israel planned to annex Gaza. It sounds like you're saying the opposite though.

I agree- the stated goal of Israel's government is to destroy Hamas which is their government in Gaza.

Once they destroy Hamas they will become like Douglas MacArthur was of Imperial Japan.

Israel will become the effective ruler of the territory of Gaza. The Shogun.

What I don't know and what anybody doesn't know is what they will do with it because they effectively have the reputation of Stalin but there is no historic record to base this off of.

Since Israel is a new country there is no historic record of what they will do only baseless opinions from people who profit from a war going on indefinitely.

 

[vita3]

they can kill most of them & steal their land but nobody will ever respect Israel again

worst gov in the world right now imo

 

[nikcers]

they can kill most of them & steal their land but nobody will ever respect Israel again

worst gov in the world right now imo

Worse than even Kim Jung Un?

Would you rather your daughter be born in Israel and be an Israeli citizen or North Korea and be North Korean?

Does Netanyahu even have a dictator pleasure squad?

 

[acptulsa]

We filled the power vacuum...

Ya gotta love a self-fulfilling justification for atrocity. "Well of course we're going to own that land. After we wipe their asses out to the last babe in arms, there will be a power vacuum."

 

[nikcers]

Ya gotta love a self-fulfilling justification for atrocity. "Well of course we're going to own that land. After we wipe their asses out to the last babe in arms, there will be a power vacuum."

What would you have done?

Let Imperial Japan take the Philippines and Hawaii?

Aren't the people of Japan and South Korea and China and Taiwan pretty well off after liberating them?

 

[acptulsa]

What would you have done?

Let Imperial Japan take the Philippines and Hawaii?

We're not playing armchair quarterback eighty years after the game, you pettifogger. When did the Palestinians damage seven battleships in Pearl Harbor?

What? They didn't? Then you're talking about apples in the orange thread, aren't you, neocon?

 

[nikcers]

We're not playing armchair quarterback eighty years after the game, you pettifogger. When did the Palestinians damage seven battleships in Pearl Harbor?

What? They didn't? Then you're talking about apples in the orange thread, aren't you, neocon?

When did Hamas massacre Israel? October 7th.

Without Israel's air defenses they would be burned down.

No other countries on earth especially ours would not respond with overwhelming force.

 

[nikcers]

"a just war exists when a people tries to ward off the threat of coercive domination by another people, or to overthrow an already-existing domination."

-Murray Rothbard

Just War | Mises Institute

A just war exists when a people tries to ward off the threat of coercive domination by another people, or to overthrow an already-existing domination.

mises.org

 

[acptulsa]

"a just war exists when a people tries to ward off the threat of coercive domination by another people, or to overthrow an already-existing domination."

-Murray Rothbard

I just have to quote this to have a copy even after you edit it out.

You're arguing against your own side. Everyone knows who was there before Zionism was born.

 

[nikcers]

I just have to quote this to have a copy even after you edit it out.

You're arguing against your own side. Everyone knows who was there before Zionism was born.

The British Empire? Before Israel declared independence it was the British mandate under the tyrannical league of nations system that the United States abolished.

British America wasn't exactly a free country before we waged a "just war" and decided to declare independence in 1776 like Israel did in 1948.

 

[acptulsa]

The British Empire?

You're still arguing against your own side, talking about how we aren't being imperial, then not talking about anyone but the white colonial empires that ruled and rule it (except these Zionists are the tail that wags the dog, through various nefarious means including bots like you).

But you can't stop us from disregarding the landlords for a moment and talking about the tenants. Exterminate the natives so you can move Jews in isn't something I want to be a part of. Your conscience, a hypothetical concept at best, is your own, but mine obliges me to fight you when you steal my money for this crap.

 

[nikcers]

You're still arguing against your own side, talking about how we aren't being imperial, then not talking about anyone but the white colonial empires that ruled and rule it (except these Zionists are the tail that wags the dog, through various nefarious means including bots like you).

But you can't stop us from disregarding the landlords for a moment and talking about the tenants. Exterminate the natives so you can move Jews in isn't something I want to be a part of. Your conscience, a hypothetical concept at best, is your own, but mine obliges me to fight you when you steal my money for this crap.

Ok so the Ottoman Empire?

The territory was ruled by the Ottoman empire for 400 years.

The British Empire took it from the Ottoman Empire.

Israel took it from the British Empire.

How many years does Israel have to rule it for before you accept that it's Israel?

Is the United States really the United States?

We are only here for 250 years and a lot less in some of our territory.