Hayekian: Free Markets caused the depression. FDR was the man
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Conza88
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Attempt to put forward some kind of logical and coherent argument over there if you dare.
http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/7767.aspx
The sheer fact you can't see the differences between Hayek (who WAS NOT the "father of the Austrian School" by a long shot - several GENERATIONS wrong by the way...) and Keynes makes this whole ordeal hilarious.
You can't even pronounce his name correctly... Hahaha....
If I am to engage in some "debate" with you. Define all the relevant terms thanks and list the books you have read that are from an Austrian School of Economics perspective... then maybe we can get this laugh fest under way.
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Seriously Harris, how much brainwashing has LaRouche imposed on your fragile mind?
You people claim the British are evil and responsible for every ill of the world when it is the countries of the former British Empire that are the most free and prosperous nations on earth.
Also you claim to be against the Lisbon Treaty and yet you continually bash the British Conservatives who are THE ONLY ONES fighting against it.
I'm happy LaRouche had kind words for Ron Paul, but we are not gonna be sucked in by his lies about John Locke, about free trade and about civil and economic liberty.
The founders WERE NOT Liebnitzian. Jefferson was a follower of Locke and he said that they were fighting for their rights as englishmen under the English Bill of Rights and Constitution (The first empire to actually give the people freedom from the king).
FDR was a failure and a fool. Yes he was opposed by some bankers and elites.
You LaRouchites go on about how much you love production BUT FDR KILLED PIGS AND PLOUGHED CROPS UNDER TO KEEP PRICES UP. People starved to death because of FDR's central planning. I mean anyone with half a brain can see that.
He also locked up innocent Italians and Germans, against the Bill of Rights and the traditions of British Common Law.
FDR tried to overturn our traditions in the western world.
His best friend Edward Mandell House was one of the founders of the COuncil on Foreign Relations and said he wanted "Communism as envisioned by Karl Marx" in America.
LaRouche is a "former" communist. That is admitted.
Of course there are things we can agree on like being Pro economic development and against environmentalist Malthusian dogma ....... but other than that we are diametrically opposed.
If you hate free trade so much then why dont you support tariffs between the US states? Or maybe even tariffs between each district?
Your leader has some good attributes but his lies and deception are obvious to anyone the least bit familiar with history.
You people claim the British are evil and responsible for every ill of the world when it is the countries of the former British Empire that are the most free and prosperous nations on earth.
Also you claim to be against the Lisbon Treaty and yet you continually bash the British Conservatives who are THE ONLY ONES fighting against it.
I'm happy LaRouche had kind words for Ron Paul, but we are not gonna be sucked in by his lies about John Locke, about free trade and about civil and economic liberty.
The founders WERE NOT Liebnitzian. Jefferson was a follower of Locke and he said that they were fighting for their rights as englishmen under the English Bill of Rights and Constitution (The first empire to actually give the people freedom from the king).
FDR was a failure and a fool. Yes he was opposed by some bankers and elites.
You LaRouchites go on about how much you love production BUT FDR KILLED PIGS AND PLOUGHED CROPS UNDER TO KEEP PRICES UP. People starved to death because of FDR's central planning. I mean anyone with half a brain can see that.
He also locked up innocent Italians and Germans, against the Bill of Rights and the traditions of British Common Law.
FDR tried to overturn our traditions in the western world.
His best friend Edward Mandell House was one of the founders of the COuncil on Foreign Relations and said he wanted "Communism as envisioned by Karl Marx" in America.
LaRouche is a "former" communist. That is admitted.
Of course there are things we can agree on like being Pro economic development and against environmentalist Malthusian dogma ....... but other than that we are diametrically opposed.
If you hate free trade so much then why dont you support tariffs between the US states? Or maybe even tariffs between each district?
Your leader has some good attributes but his lies and deception are obvious to anyone the least bit familiar with history.
And another thing...
You preach against globalisation but you want a f2=%&*ing New New Deal with FIXED EXCHANGE RATES!!!!!!!!! hahahahaha
Newsflash: FIXED EXCHANGE RATES = GLOBAL CURRENCY
Whether a global fiat currency is run by the IMF or some LaRouche guy .... makes no difference. Its evil.
You preach against globalisation but you want a f2=%&*ing New New Deal with FIXED EXCHANGE RATES!!!!!!!!! hahahahaha
Newsflash: FIXED EXCHANGE RATES = GLOBAL CURRENCY
Whether a global fiat currency is run by the IMF or some LaRouche guy .... makes no difference. Its evil.
You people blame Von Hayek and Mises for this breakdown .... LOL!!!!!
We havent had Von Hayek or Mises .... We havent even had Milton Friedman.
We've had Keynes all the way. So blame Keynes. He is the Malthusian nutjob.
Hayek and Mises OPPOSE CENTRAL BANKING. Can you LaRouche people please get that into your skulls. For the past 100 years we've had central banks manipulating things. HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO HAYEK AND MISES??????
And the idea that Hayek and Mises are puppets of the British Empire .... Man ...... only an absolute nitwit would believe that.
Yes the British Royals are Keynesian Malthusian nutjobs. BUT the British Conservatives and UK Independence Party (Free-Marketers) ARE ALL AGAINST THE ROYALS AND THE EUROPEAN UNION.
The whole tradition of liberty was born with Locke and with Adam Smith and with the Common Law.
Your Continental Liebnitzians are all failures.
So get your messiah to explain that one.
We havent had Von Hayek or Mises .... We havent even had Milton Friedman.
We've had Keynes all the way. So blame Keynes. He is the Malthusian nutjob.
Hayek and Mises OPPOSE CENTRAL BANKING. Can you LaRouche people please get that into your skulls. For the past 100 years we've had central banks manipulating things. HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO HAYEK AND MISES??????
And the idea that Hayek and Mises are puppets of the British Empire .... Man ...... only an absolute nitwit would believe that.
Yes the British Royals are Keynesian Malthusian nutjobs. BUT the British Conservatives and UK Independence Party (Free-Marketers) ARE ALL AGAINST THE ROYALS AND THE EUROPEAN UNION.
The whole tradition of liberty was born with Locke and with Adam Smith and with the Common Law.
Your Continental Liebnitzians are all failures.
So get your messiah to explain that one.
And another thing.....
LaRouche has been ranting about how we are gonna enter a "new dark age" for 30 years now. He does this while explaining nothing.
While the Austrians have been carefully explaining whats going on and NOT engaging in nonsense about entering a new dark age.
LaRouche has been ranting about how we are gonna enter a "new dark age" for 30 years now. He does this while explaining nothing.
While the Austrians have been carefully explaining whats going on and NOT engaging in nonsense about entering a new dark age.
You blame the "Free Market" for the existance of 1 quadrillion in derivatives.
THE REASON THOSE DERIVATIVES EXIST IS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL RESERVE WAS PUMPING IN THE MONEY and ARTIFICIALLY LOWERING INTEREST RATES.
THAT IS NOT A FREE MARKET. THAT IS NOT HAYEK. THAT IS NOT MISES.
Derivatives exist because of central banking. Period.
THE REASON THOSE DERIVATIVES EXIST IS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL RESERVE WAS PUMPING IN THE MONEY and ARTIFICIALLY LOWERING INTEREST RATES.
THAT IS NOT A FREE MARKET. THAT IS NOT HAYEK. THAT IS NOT MISES.
Derivatives exist because of central banking. Period.
And lets talk about your hero Alexander Hamilton and his totalitarian leanings.
HAMILTON and JEFFERSON were diametrically opposed. Everyone knows this.
By your calculation this means Jefferson (Free-Market guy, "small and frugal" government) was a tool of the British empire!!!!
HAMILTON and JEFFERSON were diametrically opposed. Everyone knows this.
By your calculation this means Jefferson (Free-Market guy, "small and frugal" government) was a tool of the British empire!!!!
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Yeah, don't agree with them because they are wrong and he is economically illiterate. / former chomykite who wrote him a letter and got a response
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How do you want us to take you seriously with all this nonsense you write?
The FED is privately owned, but with a goverment granted monopoly. The FED wihtout the goverment granted monopoly would be just another company, not the evil machine it is now. I tried with the video, I tried with your answers and I just see nonsense.
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This is the most ignorant post I've seen all month.
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It didn't, to give you the simplest answer.
To the Larouche/FDR worship cult yoyo: if you are interested in left-wing commentary on FDR's warmongering, you can start here: http://www.chomsky.info/books/dissent03.htm
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It was May 9th, 1939 and a man you may not know was the Treasury Secretary of the United States of America. He was the best friend and neighbor of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He testified in front of the House Ways and Means Committee of the United States Congress. Here's what he had to say......
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more money than we have ever spent before(1) and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I'm wrong... somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good our promises.... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started.... And an enormous debt to boot."
Sounds like the guy who was there pulling the strings and paying the bills disagrees with your ignorant assessment of FDRs Administration, but I'll let you argue with the dead guy..... by the way if you happen to read a BOOK about FDR, you'll find this persons name as Henry Morganthau Jr. and he AUTHORED the New Deal.
Nice try but you lose!
(1) FDR in fact had spent more than the entire 150 previous years of US Government budgets combined.
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more money than we have ever spent before(1) and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I'm wrong... somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good our promises.... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started.... And an enormous debt to boot."
Sounds like the guy who was there pulling the strings and paying the bills disagrees with your ignorant assessment of FDRs Administration, but I'll let you argue with the dead guy..... by the way if you happen to read a BOOK about FDR, you'll find this persons name as Henry Morganthau Jr. and he AUTHORED the New Deal.
Nice try but you lose!
(1) FDR in fact had spent more than the entire 150 previous years of US Government budgets combined.
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Great post - what we have right now is not a free market, nor do we have free trade, and I agree with your other posts curlz. La Rouche followers that have been posting are quite annoying and ignorantly arrogant, or arrogantly ignorant.. a lovely combination either way.
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lol
Hey Conza or w/e your name is, why dont you stop resulting to insulting someone and make a video yourself? Dont be skeered now. Would be much more efficient than rambling on thread after thread reply...its almost as if you don't have all of your thoughts gathered.
Keep em coming, Haters. I welcome it.
bash bash bash bash bash....talking of shit I say. But no video...no face...no voice. I smell you from here, and it smells like fish. And forgive me if I didnt pronounce something correctly...or if my accent is not of your liking. Put a video up, or shut up Gonzo.
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