Hayekian: Free Markets caused the depression. FDR was the man

[Young Paleocon]

Stating that Keynes was 'great' is a reflection of the masses of people that followed his ideals however off they were. Many consider Jesus a great man, I don't, but the claim can be made that he was great for influencing so many people, no matter how deluded that is. Was Hitler a great man with great ideas? To many he was at the time and his ideals are being instituted again in this country, so I'd say that qualifies for a type of 'greatness', however deluded it is.

Milton worked with what "IS" and not maybes and IF'S. You have a bias and that's ok, I think differently and have read both Mises and Friedman. Rothbard is parroting much of Mises ideas and that's fine but I'd hold Mises above Rothbard in a second. I actually agree with much of Mises and Friedman but neither are gods that some make them out to be, at least they are both for a free market, as opposed to the alternative. I think we'd be arguing a matter of degrees instead of being polar opposites.

It has nothing to do with working with what "is" and not "if's". It has to do with right and wrong. Moral and immoral. Free-markets and intervention. The man was a monetarist, and therefore in favor of inflation, government monopoly of money, and by defacto, regardless of rhetoric, in favor of expanding government. He is a nice man, but he's wrong.

YouTube - Milton Friedman: The Purpose of the Federal Reserve

 

[Objectivist]

I'm four books deep into Friedman and he was against government spending and for money being controlled by individuals. He's a free market capital guy.

How many books have you personally read by Friedman? Or is this just what someone spoon fed you?

 

[Harris4LarouchePAC]

Why are you still here? You've been proved wrong.

Man, its not a matter of me being wrong. It is a matter of you always being "right" in any discussion you may attempt to have. Proved wrong you say? I do not think so. If we had not had FDR in office, there would have been a fascist movement that would have taken over the country like that of germany. They attempted to overthrow FDR with a military coup, and it was exposed before getting off the ground.

So why are you still here? You haven't been proved right.

Still no video...

and hey Conza, go loot one from somewhere..."free trade" and all that right?

Im not going to waste my time with every single reply. I would suggest someone with balls and reason make a video. In which I will gladly reply. My sources you ask? Jim Powell's and Hayeck's book(one and half of them). A library not wikipedia.

 

[RiJiD-W1LL]

RiJiD-W1LL are you a newbie? Is this roughly your first time on a forum / computer?

I can help you learn to use these buttons (. , [.quote] [./quote]?) so the message you are trying to convey to others can be interpreted much more easily. It is currently hard to make sense of what you are trying to say i.e who said what etc.

so you wanna delete my post thats fine this site is Full OF Sheople what does it matter how many posts I have that is used all over the web when you cant say Ch1t


you need quote tags Conza88 well here ya go I guess you cant read your own name. you wanna belittle me thats fine. but do it like a man not a Fookkig CAT.

 

[Harris4LarouchePAC]

I'm sorry I can't afford a webcam because socialist policies, such as those you advocate, have made me a very poor soul indeed.


And why is it that LaRoucheites always conveniently IGNORE THOMAS JEFFERSON????? .....Ya Know ..... that guy who was only the THIRD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ...... Mr "Small and frugal government" ..... Mr "Leave people to their own pusuits".


Stop the lies.

Socialist policies that I advocate? Really, FDR Raised Labor Value and wages. The size of the government should reflect the needs of the welfare of it's people. That does not go on today. It should fluctuate and never be the same. Webcams are 20$...really? Things are that bad already for the poeple here? Sorry to see this whole Free market/trade has taken it's course.

Cry more. You people forget the preamble of our Constitution.

 

[stag15]

Everyone,

I suggest you stop instigating this guy. He reminds me of a person I once knew who had a mental problem. The guy was very smart, but very difficult to debate with no matter how much logic was presented. Nothing you said could change his mind, but I think it was more for attention than winning the debate. So if you want to keep giving this guy the attention he is looking for, go for it. But after dealing with someone like this, it really isn't worth the time and energy.

 

[axiomata]

Socialist policies that I advocate? Really, FDR Raised Labor Value and wages. The size of the government should reflect the needs of the welfare of it's people. That does not go on today. It should fluctuate and never be the same. Webcams are 20$...really? Things are that bad already for the poeple here? Sorry to see this whole Free market/trade has taken it's course.

Cry more. You people forget the preamble of our Constitution.

I hate to get involved in this abortion of a thread, but please tell me what specific powers the preamble grants to the government.

 

[Objectivist]

Man, its not a matter of me being wrong. It is a matter of you always being "right" in any discussion you may attempt to have. Proved wrong you say? I do not think so. If we had not had FDR in office, there would have been a fascist movement that would have taken over the country like that of germany. They attempted to overthrow FDR with a military coup, and it was exposed before getting off the ground.

So why are you still here? You haven't been proved right.

Still no video...

and hey Conza, go loot one from somewhere..."free trade" and all that right?

Im not going to waste my time with every single reply. I would suggest someone with balls and reason make a video. In which I will gladly reply. My sources you ask? Jim Powell's and Hayeck's book(one and half of them). A library not wikipedia.

Here I'll post Henry Morganthau Jr.'s words again, but then we're done as I just recognized you are illiterate in the realm of political ideology, and I don't play chess with short bus riders, let alone checkers.

I give Conza respect for being able to defend his position as he understands what he is talking about. He's made you look like a fool or a rube.

Henry Morganthau Jr., May 9th, 1939 US Treasury Secretary and AUTHOR of the New Deal.

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more money than we have ever spent before(1) and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I'm wrong... somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good our promises.... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started.... And an enormous debt to boot."

 

[theoakman]

Socialist policies that I advocate? Really, FDR Raised Labor Value and wages. The size of the government should reflect the needs of the welfare of it's people. That does not go on today. It should fluctuate and never be the same. Webcams are 20$...really? Things are that bad already for the poeple here? Sorry to see this whole Free market/trade has taken it's course.

Cry more. You people forget the preamble of our Constitution.

Your boy FDR confiscated everyone's money by making gold illegal. Two other leaders to do that previously were Hitler and Lenin. Your boy FDR burned crops, slaughtered cattle, and poured milk down the drain to help starving Americans. What an awesome plan. We don't have a free market and we don't have free trade.

 

[Objectivist]

Your boy FDR confiscated everyone's money by making gold illegal. Two other leaders to do that previously were Hitler and Lenin. Your boy FDR burned crops, slaughtered cattle, and poured milk down the drain to help starving Americans. What an awesome plan. We don't have a free market and we don't have free trade.

Correct,
Not to mention unemployment after eight years was at 20% again. Lucky he had a war to get us into and how many AMericans were DRAFTED and then died in the war? I'd give him credit for starting the war by his dealings with the Japanese.

 

[Harris4LarouchePAC]

Everyone,

I suggest you stop instigating this guy. He reminds me of a person I once knew who had a mental problem. The guy was very smart, but very difficult to debate with no matter how much logic was presented. Nothing you said could change his mind, but I think it was more for attention than winning the debate. So if you want to keep giving this guy the attention he is looking for, go for it. But after dealing with someone like this, it really isn't worth the time and energy.

I was hoping for someone to have the balls to make a video response. But as I see, there is none. Which is fine, I didn't expect to get one. Rather to do exactly what I have done...kick an ant hill full of pissed off dilusional ants.

I suggest you make a video. It would be all but impossible for me to respond with thorough logic to every single one of these threads. Which is the point of finding one decent respectable person to make a video and debate with.

All I get is people who make thread and spam "and another thing, and another thing, and another thing" and fill up an entire page of the thread.

Comical.

 

[stag15]

This isn't a DDR dance off. We don't need to post video responses to debate. 'the pen is mightier than the sword'. In our case, the keyboard is mightier than the web cam. Why do you want video so bad anyways? It is kind of weird to be honest. I don't have a web cam and don't plan to buy one anytime soon.

 

[Conza88]

Stating that Keynes was 'great' is a reflection of the masses of people that followed his ideals however off they were. Many consider Jesus a great man, I don't, but the claim can be made that he was great for influencing so many people, no matter how deluded that is. Was Hitler a great man with great ideas? To many he was at the time and his ideals are being instituted again in this country, so I'd say that qualifies for a type of 'greatness', however deluded it is.

Milton Friedman: "John Maynard Keynes is unquestionably one of the greatest economists of all time."

Keynes was a witch doctor.. not an economist. And what you've just done is try to justify to yourself, your new found hero - didn't just say: 'Keynes was fcken awesome'.

Milton worked with what "IS" and not maybes and IF'S. You have a bias and that's ok, I think differently and have read both Mises and Friedman. Rothbard is parroting much of Mises ideas and that's fine but I'd hold Mises above Rothbard in a second. I actually agree with much of Mises and Friedman but neither are gods that some make them out to be, at least they are both for a free market, as opposed to the alternative. I think we'd be arguing a matter of degrees instead of being polar opposites.

I have no bias. I came to my position from being a Chomskyite. My only bias is towards the truth and justice.

What books have you read by Mises? Rothbard built and extended the Austrian tradition you tool. "Parroting" <- lmao.. ignorant.

You say you'd hold Rothbard over Mises in a second... FUNNY that, you've never read anything of his... INTELLECTUAL HONESTY

The Chicago and Monetarist School = support the 5th plank of the Communist Manifesto. Inflation. Hidden taxation. Theft.

There is nothing moral and ethical about it.

I'm four books deep into Friedman and he was against government spending and for money being controlled by individuals. He's a free market capital guy.

How many books have you personally read by Friedman? Or is this just what someone spoon fed you?

He's the States favorite economist. He made it more efficient. What do you think of a guy who makes coercion and THEFT more efficient?

 

[Conza88]

I was hoping for someone to have the balls to make a video response. But as I see, there is none. Which is fine, I didn't expect to get one. Rather to do exactly what I have done...kick an ant hill full of pissed off dilusional ants.

You are the ant. We're ant eaters. Your ant hill of fallacies and mistruths is getting destroyed.

I suggest you make a video. It would be all but impossible for me to respond with thorough logic to every single one of these threads. Which is the point of finding one decent respectable person to make a video and debate with.

Comical.

Very honest... you find it "impossible to respond with thorough logic". There lies your problem. What is your fascination with video's? Struggle with reading and writing? It certainly seems so.

and hey Conza, go loot one from somewhere..."free trade" and all that right?

Ah, this must be your litmus test, your go to response when you want to easily reject and dismiss anothers position because of this one area you are so thoroughly convinced on, and thus if anyone believes in it, they're wrong and immoral. Right? Well DEFINE free trade then. How is it you understand it? You've failed so much in this thread, I dunno why I bother.

Go loot what? Individuals using their subjective value, voluntary exchange goods and services with one another without the use of force or coercion. They would not voluntarily make the trade, if they thought they would be worse of. Both individuals value the OTHER good/service more than their own.

And what part of that do you disagree with?

Im not going to waste my time with every single reply. My sources you ask? Jim Powell's and Hayeck's book(one and half of them). A library not wikipedia.

Trying to refute the truth is hard work. Which books?

 

[Conza88]

so you wanna delete my post thats fine this site is Full OF Sheople what does it matter how many posts I have that is used all over the web when you cant say Ch1t

you need quote tags Conza88 well here ya go I guess you cant read your own name. you wanna belittle me thats fine. but do it like a man not a Fookkig CAT.

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[Harris4LarouchePAC]

Nice, now you are infighting...awesome.

Support a call for a pecora commission as a movement. Support something that is the first step in getting anywhere.

 

[hugolp]

I was hoping for someone to have the balls to make a video response. But as I see, there is none. Which is fine, I didn't expect to get one. Rather to do exactly what I have done...kick an ant hill full of pissed off dilusional ants.

I suggest you make a video. It would be all but impossible for me to respond with thorough logic to every single one of these threads. Which is the point of finding one decent respectable person to make a video and debate with.

All I get is people who make thread and spam "and another thing, and another thing, and another thing" and fill up an entire page of the thread.

Comical.

Who is going to loose time making a video response to your nonsense? Its not worth it, there are better things to do, like for example watch a fly fly. That would be more profitable than answering your video.

Get a live (and a brain)

 

[gb13]

People, we're wasting our time with this mental-midget. Put him on your Ignore List. Don't give this Larouche cult nerd what he wants; he's only here to cause trouble.

 

[JaylieWoW]

My version of "facepalm" is the quote....

"But these go to 11..."

 

[aravoth]

I was hoping for someone to have the balls to make a video response.

Here is my video response. I thought it fitting, because what this video represents is similar to your economic theory. These similarities include but are not limited to : An unprovable myth, No evidence of performance, extremely dangerous, Looks scary, and smells like shit.

Don't ask for a video response, learn to read asshole.