Free At Last! The next money bomb is ready!!

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

Some very well-thought out arguments there, Chandler. You stated that "there is no absolute, unless you believe in a God"...

You're on the right track there. Either there are no absolutes, or there are absolutes... it has to be one or the other. The question is "where do we find the answer - the final authority for answering this question?" - is it with human logic (in other words, the human mind is our final authority) or is it with a supreme Being (God [or - the Bible] is our final authority).

Many great minds have given great thought to that question. For those who claim the human mind is the final authority, all sorts of deviant behavior can be then justified... Karl Marx thought this way, and his followers have caused an untold amount of suffering and death in the last century as a direct result of secular humanism.

For those who believe that a Supreme Being rules over mankind, well, they answer to a higher authority Who cannot be swayed by the changing times or the frivolity of a man's mind.

There is an absolute Truth; the Founding Fathers acknowledged it, and believed in it.

The Declaration of Independence states that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

Our Founding Fathers believed in a Creator, stating in The Declaration, that they had a strong belief and "firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence".

Something to think about.

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Wow, there is some twisted logic in what you just wrote. "Either there are no absolutes, or there are absolutes... it has to be one or the other." WTF? That is an absolute. A non-absolute would be that both states can exist, with many other states. There is nothing scientifically absolute about our Universe!! Even though you think time passes at the same pace it always had, that doesn't mean it does. In fact, it has been proven that it doesn't, 50 years ago! The statement "Their Creator" could mean anything. If they meant to put in the Declaration "one God" they would have.

You've got to do better Wayne.

 

[chandlerLBT]

And with holy books, what one Christian reads and takes out of it is different that what another Christian takes out of it. Each and every Christian has a different believe of what THEIR God stands for and what is right, what is wrong, and what you can get away with. This is all depending on which scripture they chose to cite, as many of the passages are contradictory. In essence, every theist, not exclusively Christians, has their own God that they have made themselves. They're their own God.

 

[Wayne Hammond]

There is nothing scientifically absolute about our Universe!!

I suppose you don't think that the fact of gravity is absolute then?

Would you care to jump off a 10-story building and test your theory?

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[Dieseler]

Wow, there is some twisted logic in what you just wrote. "Either there are no absolutes, or there are absolutes... it has to be one or the other." WTF? That is an absolute. A non-absolute would be that both states can exist, with many other states. There is nothing scientifically absolute about our Universe!! Even though you think time passes at the same pace it always had, that doesn't mean it does. In fact, it has been proven that it doesn't, 50 years ago! The statement "Their Creator" could mean anything. If they meant to put in the Declaration "one God" they would have.

You've got to do better Wayne.

Seemed pretty straight to me.

You either believe in God
or Man.

Either way ya think at this time, every knee shall bend and every head shall bow one day.

 

[Nihilist23]

We're ok to associate ourselves with the terrorist Guy Fawkes, but when people want to associate the campaign with the same message of freedom and individualism that Dr. Martin Luther King preached in his "I have a dream" speech, we get squelched.

November 5th was *never* about Guy Fawkes. It was about the message in V for Vendetta, the fictional character V, and committing a revolutionary act. This MLK money bomb would be about a man, who while admired for his civil rights activism, was the opposite of Ron Paul in his views on the role of government.

This is making me sick. As a mixed race individual, I find this treatment abhorrent. The theme of this campaign has always been that the market would decide the efficacy of ideas through the transaction of participation. The censorship of this effort is very troublesome to me.

It seems to me the market is deciding in this thread. It was wrong for someone to try to start their own money bomb without consulting the community, and this blowback is the result of that action.

King, from what Harry Belafonte says, got assassinated because he realized he was being a dupe and was going to blow the whistle.

The same thing happened to Malcolm X. Once he left the Nation of Islam and began exposing it, his death became inevitable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRC5jN5I-wU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPpPNDxun0&feature=related

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

I suppose you don't think that the fact of gravity is absolute then?

Would you care to jump off a 10-story building and test your theory?

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Read a book people.


Not the one called "The Bible". there is more, and better information in the world than what is contained in that.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

Seemed pretty straight to me.

You either believe in God
or Man.

Either way ya think at this time, every knee shall bend and every head shall bow one day.

I don't believe they will, so there we are. And that is what we are talking about here, "belief". Not testable science. Not every human being's experience. Just your narrow view of the world.


And just so we are clear. I believe in neither man nor God. I guess that blows a hole in your argument.

 

[slantedview]

what the hell has become of this poor innocent thread? good lord people, move on.

 

[Mike S.]

I don't think this will drive away Republicans. I am a Christian conservative that has always voted republican in the past and I take no offense. I can't think of any of my friends that would take offense either. This also will help squash the silly notion that somehow RP supports white supremest types. The theme is fitting since we are all slaves to this over bloated federal government.

Plus the timing is good. Enough time to use the money before Super Tuesday which is two weeks later. But late enough to give more folks a chance to learn who Ron Paul is and check out his issues.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

I suppose you don't think that the fact of gravity is absolute then?

Would you care to jump off a 10-story building and test your theory?

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Gravity is not absolute. In fact, depending how far away you are from the source determines how fast you move toward it. If you read about Einstein and his "Special Theory of Relativity" (which is already dated) you'll understand that your feet move slightly faster than your head. Everyday, the earth is bombarded with tons and tons of microscopic matter which increases the size of the earth. This inevitably increase the pull of the earth. Just because your limited human senses cannot feel it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Again, I encourage you to read "The Elegant Universe" by Brain Greene. For someone who has never learned about modern science (which you don't in school) this is a good place to start.

 

[KewlRonduderules]

It's not my fault you would intentionally put yourself into a group and pretend to speak for this group, especially in a situation like this. So you're saying that because Ron Paul is white and Martin Luther King Jr. is black, that if I went into a "black community" they would say there is no way any parallels would fit with these two? That's bull shit. If you want to put yourself into a group go ahead, but don't speak for anyone else.


Race has ZERO to do with this money bomb.

How old are you my friend? Do you have any real life experience living or working in the Black Community? I can say I do.

Do you even understand race relations in this country? I got news for you, it alive and well. Racism is still rapant in this country. That is a fact of life.

You know in an ideal world, I would want to agree with you. But come to reality my friend, this is the life experience of many minorities- racism, stereotypes, discrimination, etc. And to put Dr. Paul in the same category as Dr. King can be deemed as threatening no matter how harmless the intentions are- simply because he is white. Is it fair? no, but take a look at the experience of minorities in this country and the history of discrimination. You will see why they feel this way. THAT IS REALITY!

Once you understand this, you might want to try to change things for the better.

This fundraiser will not do it.

 

[Electric Church]

this is not about race this is about freedom and justice and Paul and King both fit into that category and Ron Paul mentions King so to me it's a no-brainer

 

[Matthew Zak]

put it towards the blimp.

 

[Charles Wilson]

I think this is where the King Center will want that money your raising to go.

[email protected]

Stop being foolish. The Kings have not endorsed Dr. Paul.

Take the site down, they have sued over his name before and will do so again.

Dieseler you are right on, if the King family has not given this blog permission to raise money, in DR. King's name, they could very well sue those raising the money and take any funds raised plus punitive and compensitory damages.

I doubt seriously that the King family supports Ron Paul. That begs the question: has anyone contacted the King family and ask permission to use Dr. King's name for the Rop Paul fund raiser? If so, could you please post their approval?

I will have nothing to do with this fund raiser. I smell one hell of a rat! Proceed at your own financial risk!

 

[Electric Church]

No, Chandler. The difference is that Electric Church is not doing anything constructive, like Allen.

you have no clue about what I have done or what I am doing.

 

[Nihilist23]

I will have nothing to do with this fund raiser. I smell one hell of a rat! Proceed at your own financial risk!

This will affect all of us, campaign and grassroots alike, not just the people who decide to take part in this. Do not be content with those who say "donate or shut up", or some variant of that.

 

[Electric Church]

If it takes off then it was meant to be. I strongly believe that many things are out of our hands.... for the good. If it doesn't take off then it's for the good. If it does take off then it's for the good. But this crap about "this will harm the campaign" and "that will harm the campaign" is a line that is old and worn out and has proven itself wrong over and over again evident by the strength of this movement.

 

[Charles Wilson]

If it takes off then it was meant to be. I strongly believe that many things are out of our hands.... for the good. If it doesn't take off then it's for the good. If it does take off then it's for the good. But this crap about "this will harm the campaign" and "that will harm the campaign" is a line that is old and worn out and has proven itself wrong over and over again evident by the strength of this movement.

So be it. I assume you are willing to go ahead with the MLK fund raiser and "damn the torpedos, full steam ahead". Taking responsibility for your actions is part of what this movement is all about, if you take a hit and sink, you sink. I would not do it :o.

 

[chandlerLBT]

How old are you my friend? Do you have any real life experience living or working in the Black Community? I can say I do.

Do you even understand race relations in this country? I got news for you, it alive and well. Racism is still rapant in this country. That is a fact of life.

You know in an ideal world, I would want to agree with you. But come to reality my friend, this is the life experience of many minorities- racism, stereotypes, discrimination, etc. And to put Dr. Paul in the same category as Dr. King can be deemed as threatening no matter how harmless the intentions are- simply because he is white. Is it fair? no, but take a look at the experience of minorities in this country and the history of discrimination. You will see why they feel this way. THAT IS REALITY!

Once you understand this, you might want to try to change things for the better.

I'm 18. And this is me and my fiance.

She's mostly Panamanian, part Haitian, and part Japanese. I've met her family on her mother's side, who are Panamanian and Japanese, and I've met her dad's side, who are Panamanian and Haitian. We're getting married in two years. Don't assume I'm ignorant to minorities just because I don't believe in grouping people. In fact, it's completely the opposite.

Fun fact about me- I don't have any white friends. I have white acquaintances that I go to school with, or happen to see while I'm out, but other than that, my friends are all racial or ethnic minorities.

The one thing I understand is that individuals do not like being placed into groups. Once you're placed into a group, people assume you agree with whatever the majority or speaker head of the group you've been placed in believes. Obviously, this does not work because your skin color does not determine your political stances or any other kind of belief.

You as an individual do not like this MLK Money Bomb. I, as an individual, my girlfriend, as an individual believe it is a good idea. I'll say it again, race has nothing to do with donating to Ron Paul on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.



Can we cut the personal attacks now, donate if we wish to donate, and ignore this thread if we don't?

 

[carter5434]

I don't understand all the hate in this thread. It's just another money bomb, we do it every month and we pick the most American day, which is month is obviously MLK day. This will draw in far more people then it would scare away (who it would scare away, i don't know). What's with the whole "the king family will sue" crap. Sue for what? We are just having a fundraiser on MLK day and drawing a few parellels, we arn't exploiting his name. This is a free country. If you don't want to participate then don't, but don't hate on everyone that will.