Free At Last! The next money bomb is ready!!

Yeah I said the same thing. Liberty came back with some kind of 'Republican's already know even if the media won't say it bull shit.'

Chandler, just because YOU have bought what your teachers have told you, hook, line and sinker, doesn't mean that what you've "bought" is the truth. What I told you, was that there are a whole lot of older traditional conservatives (you know, the real ones. Not these fake neoconservatives), who know some of the more seedy things about MLK. These are the people who grew up in the Cold War, so they don't look to kindly upon someone who was a communist-sympathizer and surrounded himself with Communists. That is what I am trying my best to tell you. We are not on different sides here, Chandler. You see the young people's viewpoint, better than I, and just maybe, I see the older traditional conservative viewpoint a little clearer. Do we want to tick off either? Don't we need as many as we can get in our camp, to win this thing?
 
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I already see responses on various sites about us trying to exploit MLK.

Exactly, I would like to see the list of those supporting the so-called MLK money bomb. Obviously many on that list are simply naive however I suspect others are trolls attemping to create controversy in order to discredit the rest of us.

Indeed, using the name of MLK to raise money for the Ron Paul campaign without permission of the King family is exploitation of the King name. Those that try and equate hate with anyone that opposes this exploitation is suspect in my opinion.

Anyone that wants to honor Dr. King with a donation then please do so but donate to the King family and not to the Ron Paul campaign.
 
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This is just bizarre.

MLK's faith and personal commitment to civil rights is admirable, but his politics were totally opposed to everything Dr. Paul stands for.

From LewRockwell.com

The Trouble With Forced Integration

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD



Last week, Congress hailed the 40th anniversary of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The heroic Ron Paul was the only member of Congress to vote No. Here is his statement. ~ Ed.

Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676.

July 3, 2004

As a reminder....
 
While we want to avoid any controversy that may arise such as this bind that Mitt Romney finds himself in ... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3082350.ece

I do not think donating on Martin Luther King's birthday is a bad idea - I think it is a great one! We just have to be carefull to do it tastefully and with the dignity that it deserves - no pandering - no controversy - just a straighforward message ...

How about a nice photo/poster of MLK, with some videos of African Americans (and all other races) who support Ron Paul, and then a counter to mark pledges, and alink to the ronpaul2008.com website.

It is a simple formula that worked well for the Veteran's Day Money Bomb, so why not for the MLK Money Bomb?

I for one, do not agree with the youtubes that put MLK and RP together - they are two very different men, in two very different times... MLK was fighting racism...RP is fighting tyranny... I think that is the tacky part of this venture that needs to be changed.

my two cents worth.
 
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As a reminder....

I don't think MLK would kiss RP on the lips or anything, but I appreciate the sentiment that the Civil Rights Act had unitended consequenses and we are still experienceing the "blowback" from those times today - just go to NO if you don't think its true!
 
I'm 18. And this is me and my fiance.

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She's mostly Panamanian, part Haitian, and part Japanese. I've met her family on her mother's side, who are Panamanian and Japanese, and I've met her dad's side, who are Panamanian and Haitian. We're getting married in two years. Don't assume I'm ignorant to minorities just because I don't believe in grouping people. In fact, it's completely the opposite.

That's great you have a wonderful fiancee and race does not come into play in your personal life. It is quite clear you don't group people- there is nothing wrong with that. But the reality is quite different- people do live in groups and indentify in groups especially when they are an ethnic minority- not in all cases though (but the majority do). That is fact. There is a difference between idealism and reality. And the reality is that this moneybomb will be seen as quite controversial. That's a promise. In an ideal world, I am in complete agreement- I agree that government and legislative policy has contributed to the racial divide in this country. There is no argument there. I am in complete agreement. But in order to deal with the matter, you need to change policy and promote gradual change. In this day and age, racism is alive and well and it would be premature to have an event as such. Don't get me wrong, I am all for individualism and believe in it very much. But look at the reality for what it is.

Fun fact about me- I don't have any white friends. I have white acquaintances that I go to school with, or happen to see while I'm out, but other than that, my friends are all racial or ethnic minorities.

Interesting, why no white friends? It really should not matter if whether you have white friends or not. That is not my point though. My point is understanding the life experience of ethnic minorities especially as it pertains to politics. And on some level you do- there is no question about that but it sounds like to me that a little more life experience is in order here to really grasp what happens in minority communities. FYI, I have friends from all walks of life regardless of race, religion, and sexual orientation.

The one thing I understand is that individuals do not like being placed into groups. Once you're placed into a group, people assume you agree with whatever the majority or speaker head of the group you've been placed in believes. Obviously, this does not work because your skin color does not determine your political stances or any other kind of belief.

Now, this is where you and I differ. This is the difference between your life experience and mine. The reality is that minority groups are comfortable in their own groups because they are able to indentify with one another. It is a fact of life. And skin color for a large part DOES INDEED determine your political stances- not always though. You see it all the time especially when it involves Black and White conflict. Ever wonder why the majority of ethnic minorities vote democratic? It should send a signal.

Should it be that way? No. Do I want to live in a country where we live as individuals not indentified as groups? Yes absolutely.

You as an individual do not like this MLK Money Bomb. I, as an individual, my girlfriend, as an individual believe it is a good idea. I'll say it again, race has nothing to do with donating to Ron Paul on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

You are right. I do not like it. Race will play a factor whether you want it or not. Look at how this has been so controversial on this forum and at the daily paul.

;)

Can we cut the personal attacks now, donate if we wish to donate, and ignore this thread if we don't?

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I believe I never did attack you. If at all, it sounds as if you were on the defensive. That clearly is not my intent. I am just trying to point out certain realities.

I think perhaps this maybe should go to Hot Topics.
 
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Exactly, I would like to see the list of those supporting the so-called MLK money bomb. Obviously many on that list are simply naive however I suspect others are trolls attemping to create controversy in order to discredit the rest of us.

Indeed, using the name of MLK to raise money for the Ron Paul campaign without permission of the King family is exploitation of the King name. Those that try and equate hate with anyone that opposes this exploitation is suspect in my opinion.

Anyone that wants to honor Dr. King with a donation then please do so but donate to the King family and not to the Ron Paul campaign.

get a life - I am not a troll! this is not a conspiracy to create controversy and discredit anyone.

this thread is absolutely no different that the bs that happened for the first V-Day Money Bomb, the Veterans Day Money Bomb blah blah blah... the naysayers were wrong then and they are wrong now ...

The question is not "should we do it?" but "how can we do it most effectively ?"
 
Obviously [email protected] is not concerned for his legal liability here in this issue.

I have only seen him make one post here concerning this, that being the one about doing it.

The Kings will not come out against this until after the money bomb is done then they will be able to afix a monetary value to your ass.

Your ratio of pledges to Site visits is getting worse, However I doubt your ass will still be able to cover the check even on a poor money bomb day...

Just my humble opinion. Feel free to consult an attorney in the matter.

564 pledges at 9:29 pm EST 12/20/2007
8843 total visitors - 12/20/07
 
KewlRonduderules,

The one thing that you said that concerns me is with regard to the race issue and this money bomb. I haven't seen one person yet who has a problem with this money bomb because MLK was black. That isn't the issue at all.
 
Just out of interest.. did any copyright violations get brought up with the Nov 5th donation? Studio that owns the rights for V for Vendetta?
 
KewlRonduderules,

The one thing that you said that concerns me is with regard to the race issue and this money bomb. I haven't seen one person yet who has a problem with this money bomb because MLK was black. That isn't the issue at all.

I respectfully disagree. I think it will be a factor.

We still live in an age of sensitive race relations. But not quite like the 1950's and 1960's. It is more subtle but nevertheless, it is still there.

But note, it is not just about Dr. King being Black, it is also about the comparison between Dr. Paul and Dr. King- one is a politican and the other was a peace activist.
 
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get a life - I am not a troll! this is not a conspiracy to create controversy and discredit anyone.

this thread is absolutely no different that the bs that happened for the first V-Day Money Bomb, the Veterans Day Money Bomb blah blah blah... the naysayers were wrong then and they are wrong now ...

The question is not "should we do it?" but "how can we do it most effectively ?"

I have a life, if you cannot see the difference between the past money bombs and the possible consequences of what you are suggesting then God help you!:mad:
 
Here is my issue and why I cannot support a hypocrite. The man spoke about freedom. He spoke about liberty and oppression. Yet he paid for prostitutes. This is a form of economic slavery. Not one of the ladies I have ever met that has had to turn a trick has done it because they wanted to. They did it because they were forced to by economic circumstances. This is not a black or white issue to me. This issue is about talking out of both sides of your mouth and proclaiming one thing in public but doing anther thing in private that is condemned by your public words. And..he was a Minister of The Word when he indulged in these inauspicious activities.

Again..I cannot find any reservations about Dr Paul and his life which has been exemplary.

Regards
Randy
 
This moneybomb idea is no longer an issue.
You have lost the support of the community.
Without the community, a moneybomb won't work.

It was pulled from the daily paul, this forum has voted against it 7 to 3.
It will not generate significant publicity.
People will not participate in significant enough numbers to draw any attention.

Who cares if these 4 people donate on MLK's birthday...
It is no longer an issue.

This is my last post in this thread (which deserves to die)
Nothing to see here, move along.
 
This moneybomb idea is no longer an issue.
You have lost the support of the community.
Without the community, a moneybomb won't work.

It was pulled from the daily paul, this forum has voted against it 7 to 3.
It will not generate significant publicity.
People will not participate in significant enough numbers to draw any attention.

Who cares if these 4 people donate on MLK's birthday...
It is no longer an issue.

This is my last post in this thread (which deserves to die)
Nothing to see here, move along.

Me too! As Forrest Gump said "That's all I got to say about that".
 
Chandler,

You know, that's a really great idea to demean the traditional conservatives. You do realize, don't you, that this is another name for libertarian-conservatives? This is the same group of people that voted for Barry Goldwater and it was on his platform that Ronald Reagan ran. These are the small government conservatives. You know, the Republicans whose votes we have a chance of getting for the REPUBLICAN NOMINATION we are seeking.

Do you also realize that Barry Goldwater, Jr., has endorsed Dr. Paul for President?

But, by all means, keep it up Chandler. I'm not too sure how you think we're going to win the Republican nomination by insulting those who actually agree with us, or we have a strong chance of getting on our team. Interesting strategy, indeed. By the way, do you realize that Dr. Paul is also a libertarian-conservative? ;)

Note: O'Reilly is in the neoconservative camp. Which is almost the exact opposite of a traditional conservative, with few exceptions.

Note: I was not making fun of traditional conservatives. I was making fun of what you insinuated traditional conservatives were, from what you've posted on this thread. That they hate MLK because they cannot look past the irrelevant and see this man for the good he has done.

ie. Leader of the first American peaceful revolution.

The rest was just a description of what I pictured in my head of what the day of a MLK hater would look like on MLK Day.
 
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Chandler,

I don't know any other way to discuss this with you, other than the way I have. I clearly have failed.

I don't exactly think being a communist is irrelevant. It certainly wasn't during the Cold War. In fact, the Communist Party-USA was controlled by the Soviet Union. Perhaps you do not realize that. Or, perhaps you think that is just fine.

I don't know what else to tell you. I posted a couple of articles for you that you clearly have not read, or have just disregarded and I have done my best to tell you why I don't think this money bomb is a good idea. In the end, you have to make up your own mind.
 
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what happened to someones idea of having it on Dr. Paul's anniversery. Let for once the Good Dr. have his own day with no attachments
 
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