Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord

[HankRicther12]

You have to go to court every month for the reset for months until it gets to the plea out stage depending on the circumstances..if you have a decent lawyer. Sometimes it takes months to get depositions, results of the blood draw, finding an analyst to challenge the blood results. It's not like you get arrested one day and plea out the next. Whether you have pity or not is irrelevant..it's called due process.

What? Most offenses do get plead out, I didn't say the next day, how about you quit putting words in my mouth. When the fuck did I say you didn't deserve due process, I'll give an axe murderer due process, doesn't change my personal feeling towards him. My goodness, how old are all of you? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kids in junior high. You're all worse than the lefties at Huffington and the righties at Breitbart, all of you at your core are exactly the same, have no argument so you spin things, lie, whip out the buzz words: racist, isolationist, statist, hates America, hates women, on and on. I'm glad my shift is almost over so I can go get drunk and have fun, and yes, I do have a DD

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm not sure why people are so gung-ho to blame the police right off the bat. We don't even know what happened.

I've actually got a lot of sympathy for the police. Can you imagine if your job every single day had you dealing with the worst people society has to offer? It must be really taxing on them mentally to wake up every single day for 40 years to be cursed at by bums and ever be fearful that someone could pull a gun on them from under the dashboard. It's probably especially hard in these inner city communities with sky high murder rates where the population has no respect for you, and would actually cheer your death.

I don't live in a high crime area, so maybe I don't have the right to talk. But the cops have always been very fair to me. They've let me off the hook for offenses that they really should have booked me for, and tried their best to ensure my safety, and the safety of people around me.

It's just how I was raised, but I always treat them with respect. They are always "sir" or "ma'am", and I do whatever they tell me to. I'll definitely raise my own kids to do the same. They've done a great job with crime in my hometown and when I've called them, have been very receptive and responded right away.

I don't think we get anywhere by condemning the cops and pouring on hatred and vitriol. I think it's better to build up a relationship between them and the community they serve. There are a lot of concerns about police militarization and low recruitment standards. We can work with local governments and police organizations to implement reforms and create a better situation.

We're gung-ho to blame the police because we don't know what happened. There's no accountability and, therefore, no way to know. It has to stop, all that kum-bah-yah shit aside.

 

[HankRicther12]

You can usually tell the difference. Nobody who's not seriously injured truly goes limp because that would require them to stop loudly protesting.

How can you tell that from a clip shot from a cell phone? Like I say too, they may very well have hurt him, I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying I saw prisoners do all kinds of crazy crap and hearing all of you say so soundly that "it couldn't happen" makes me laugh.

 

[HankRicther12]

We're gung-ho to blame the police because we don't know what happened. There's no accountability and, therefore, no way to know. It has to stop, all that kum-bah-yah shit aside.

What has to stop? You don't even know what happened. How is that statement any different than what a lynch mob would say?

 

[Natural Citizen]

What exactly is the point of this? It's a picture, it says nothing of the circumstances of why it's happening. Let me check again here, this is a RON PAUL forum right?

It is likely that you'll find threads for each and every one of those cases here on the forums that you see in the picture as well as many more reports of similar goings-on. I'd imagine that those threads are also likely to be rather thorough.

 

[invisible]

What has to stop? You don't even know what happened. How is that statement any different than what a lynch mob would say?

How is what these cops did any different than what a lynch mob would do?

I bet you don't even make it to 100 posts before getting banned, lol.

 

[JK/SEA]

How can you tell that from a clip shot from a cell phone? Like I say too, they may very well have hurt him, I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying I saw prisoners do all kinds of crazy crap and hearing all of you say so soundly that "it couldn't happen" makes me laugh.

so basically, all you have to be is an uncaring asshole to be cop or jailer it sounds like. Pre-requisite i suppose.

I'm pretty sure you get a lot of 'actors' in jail, and most have an 'attitude', but to be that robotic about your job is not going to cut it. Looks like the problem lies in the hiring programs, and training. Do they require a drug test before hire?...and did you get random drug tested?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The management of the police department is largely black. Wouldn't it just be easier to out the six and then ride in on the white horse as heroes of the community? In cases of governmental scandals, a lot of times the feds will sacrifice a mid level management type so as to show the public they are doing something proactive. If it's between the perceived integrity of the Baltimore Police Department and six measly cops, I'm giving the public the cops if I'm the kingmaker over there.

Yeah, that happens, but actually quite rarely when you think about it. They give the most minimal amount of fucks imaginable such that they seem to get away with even obvious cases while a few other obvious cases are fed to the public and predictably make national news to quell the masses.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

It is likely that you'll find threads for each and every one of those cases here on the forums that you see in the picture as well as many more reports of similar goings-on. I'd imagine that those threads are also likely to be rather thorough.

I find it fascinating how the pro police state types will, in order to try and sell their position, say that "sure some cops do bad things," and then out of thousands of reports of police brutality, it's never ever one of those....

Like 'sure it happens theoretically, but it never actually happens.' Difference is here we can see right through that BS.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh yeah, that's just going on all the time in the jail I worked at, did that at least 3-4 times a day at least. What exactly is the point of this? It's a picture, it says nothing of the circumstances of why it's happening. Let me check again here, this is a RON PAUL forum right? You know, a place where people don't use the ugly Alinksy tactics, the ugly tactics of the media, the demagoguery - this is a place where people are innocent until proven guilty right - a place where you don't label a whole group of people by the actions of some in that group, especially when in most cases none of you even know what even happened?

Those are all pictures of "no refusal" blood draws conducted by cops at DUI checkpoints.

Are you in favor of this?

Are these scenes that should be repeated every day in a supposedly free country?

 

[twomp]

Those are all pictures of "no refusal" blood draws conducted by cops at DUI checkpoints.

Are you in favor of this?

Are these scenes that should be repeated every day in a supposedly free country?

I don't know about you but those pictures sure do make me feel safer.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know about you but those pictures sure do make me feel safer.

Doubleplusgood Comrade.

 

[HankRicther12]

It is likely that you'll find threads for each and every one of those cases here on the forums that you see in the picture as well as many more reports of similar goings-on. I'd imagine that those threads are also likely to be rather thorough.

Thanks for the tip, might well be there is something bad going on here, I'm just saying posting pictures without context is not helpful, also, just making the point that even if there is something illegal going on there, it was certainly not a regular occurrence at my jail and I suspect most jails in the country.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Thanks for the tip, might well be there is something bad going on here, I'm just saying posting pictures without context is not helpful, also, just making the point that even if there is something illegal going on there, it was certainly not a regular occurrence at my jail and I suspect most jails in the country.

Never said it was illegal.

Search "No Refusal DUI Checkpoint".

 

[PaulConventionWV]

How can you tell that from a clip shot from a cell phone? Like I say too, they may very well have hurt him, I'm not saying they didn't, I'm just saying I saw prisoners do all kinds of crazy crap and hearing all of you say so soundly that "it couldn't happen" makes me laugh.

Why does it make you laugh? This is a serious matter. The police lack accountability and when they arrest someone and that person is in their possession, they are responsible for the well-being of that person. If something happens to their prisoner, then they are automatically guilty of the harm that came to them. The only thing that's in dispute is how it happened, but again, that's only in dispute because they have zero accountability and nobody has any way of knowing except for the just-so stories that come from the people who were responsible for the prisoner's well-being.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

What has to stop? You don't even know what happened. How is that statement any different than what a lynch mob would say?

I just told you: THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY!

 

[HankRicther12]

Those are all pictures of "no refusal" blood draws conducted by cops at DUI checkpoints.

Are you in favor of this?

Are these scenes that should be repeated every day in a supposedly free country?

Well, I've seen hint of this topic on a few other threads and I guess I'd like to know what is the feeling here on driving drunk. yes, I am 100% against that, as for checkpoints never had them and don't know any city that did, not sure that many places do, I've never ran into one in any state, city or town I've ever been to, but no, I do not support checkpoints. At our jail people were only made to give blood after refusing a breathalyzer and failing the usual tests (walking a straight line, etc)

Obviously no, I don't feel strapping people down is preferable in any society, however I don't think getting drunk and operating an automobile is a right or some example of liberty and freedom. Can you operate a firearm in an improper manner? Walking down the street firing randomly, not a crime till someone gets hit right?

I accidentally saw some car wreck photos at the station involving a drunk who was driving on the wrong side of the freeway, had a bloody baby seat in it, a site I wish I had never seen, you'll be happy to know the drunk lived, yah liberty! Can't think of one logical argument for drunk driving.

 

[HankRicther12]

Why does it make you laugh? This is a serious matter. The police lack accountability and when they arrest someone and that person is in their possession, they are responsible for the well-being of that person. If something happens to their prisoner, then they are automatically guilty of the harm that came to them. The only thing that's in dispute is how it happened, but again, that's only in dispute because they have zero accountability and nobody has any way of knowing except for the just-so stories that come from the people who were responsible for the prisoner's well-being.

Actually, forensics can tell quite a bit about these things and I don't buy your line that the police are responsible for him solely, if he injured himself that is on him, not to mention it's not like the police asked to be responsible for him, he was in that vehicle due to his actions. Not even going to address your childish straw man about the laugh, geez, is there anyone here who actually debates like a grown up?

 

[Scrapmo]

Never said it was illegal.

Search "No Refusal DUI Checkpoint".

Right. The problem is precisely that it is legal, along with a plethora of nonsense immoral laws. Furthermore, enforcers of such laws may be absolved of legal culpability, but certainly not moral culpability.

 

[EBounding]

Why does it make you laugh? This is a serious matter. The police lack accountability and when they arrest someone and that person is in their possession, they are responsible for the well-being of that person.

What? Cops should have the same accountability that we do? But they have to enforce the laws and come up against thugs! If police aren't allowed to maim and kill people society will fall into chaos.


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