Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord

[kahless]

[size=+1] Freddie Gray severed his own spinal cord[/size]

I knew it just as much as I know the sun rises every morning.

Rarely do I ever watch Fox ""News"". However I stopped over my Dad's house tonight and he had it on: THIS is their spin and they are laying it on thick: Freddie chose to harm himself.

Some may disagree, but since I first saw the original video that came out, it was obvious Freddie was paralyzed and his legs limp BEFORE they ever put him in that police van. Then they kept insisting the injuries occurred inside the van and the officers simply made "mistakes" Nothing intentional. Just "mistakes". Now we know why they kept insisting that his injuries came from inside the van rather than before he was originally placed into the van: "because Freddie chose to harm himself by severing his own spinal cord". You always think there is a level of decency that even these maggots will not go below: but now we can see that they are even more evil than that.



So the real question is: how much money was paid to this "other prisoner" to create this lie? And how much of a reduced prison sentence will he get for telling this lie?

I was asking myself the same thing about the other prisoner and what kind of threats were possibly made. It is also possible the guy was banging around because he was in severe pain.

I thought the FNC live coverage on the ground the prior night with Leland Vittert was excellent. So I decided to tune in again last night and caught Meghan Kelly then Hannity breaking that report. If the guy has a spinal injury and is in pain of course he is going to be banging around in the van in pain. But I heard no mention of him being in pain being the possible reason before turning it off infuriated. Reading between the lines I took it as they were trying to say he did this to himself. How stupid do they think we are.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yeah, see, this is why I try to keep a box of those pocket constitutions around. Every kid I know gets one. I even toss them into trick ot treat bags at Halloween. This nonsense of "Obey or else" needs to stop. People, especially children, would do well to know their rights.

Once kids know that they don't have to just submit and relinquish their constitution they become empowered. I remember one of the first few times that I had to stop at one of those random DUI checkpoints, the cop asked me where I was headed. Do you know what I said? I'll tell you. I said any place I please, officer. Now, I had kids in the car at the time. Teenagers (not mine...I was just tking them home from their game for my neighbor). The look on their face was priceless when the cop asked me to have a nice evening as I left. They didn't understand how I "got away with that" until I used the situation to explain to them what the 4th amendment meant.

 

[HankRicther12]

I can imagine it's an incredible crappy job, being repeatedly introduced into others' drama on a daily basis. You couldn't pay me enough to put up with the bullshit. For one, I don't take orders well and probably would be butting heads with my superiors who'd want me to meet a strict arrest and ticket quota. This overall unattractiveness would also explain why we have so many errant cops because if you know what the job actually entails, you wouldn't be doing it. Unless you're working in an affluent county with minimal issues, it's simply not worth it.

Most definitely and then you get people like those you see here who are all experts and so self-righteous trying to come at you, and look I'm not one of these types that acts all noble and throws around all the "I put my life on the line for you" stuff, and like I say, there are cops who did things they shouldn't, I don't agree with it, but for people here it's like one track minds and they have no idea what they are even talking about.

Plus too, it's like, take that rage to the lawyers, the city councils, the CITIZENS, but no, blame the cops and the prison guards. I'd love to take every one of them and put them in that jail, send all the guards home and say 'here you go, work your magic since you have all the answers', would make for some great entertainment.

 

[invisible]

doesn't get anymore 'liberty' and 'freedom' than that, does it?...lol..

wow...who let the dogs out?

Happens like clockwork, every 2 years, with it being worse every four years. Surely there's more to come. He wasn't the first, and certainly won't be the last.

 

[AuH20]

Most definitely and then you get people like those you see here who are all experts and so self-righteous trying to come at you, and look I'm not one of these types that acts all noble and throws around all the "I put my life on the line for you" stuff, and like I say, there are cops who did things they shouldn't, I don't agree with it, but for people here it's like one track minds and they have no idea what they are even talking about.

Plus too, it's like, take that rage to the lawyers, the city councils, the CITIZENS, but no, blame the cops and the prison guards. I'd love to take every one of them and put them in that jail, send all the guards home and say 'here you go, work your magic since you have all the answers', would make for some great entertainment.

You do understand how cops have become loyal accessories for our corrupt political class though? They have grown too close to the special interest dollars and thrown the citizenry over the deck in the process. If the cops were doing their job they would act as a healthy buffer between our politicians and the people. Instead they rubber stamp whatever garbage that comes out of the state capitol or city hall.

 

[Carlybee]

How is it not fair? I hear over and over the hatred of COPS, not COPS in big cities, not COPS who break the law, but COPS. I also dealt with cops in big cities all the time, the jail I worked at was in a fairly large city and we housed people from all over. Now sure, every department had "that cop", but I have to tell you, these monsters you guys are all talking about for the most part don't exist.

But even on that note, it's also obvious that most of you are quite sheltered as to the kinda stuff regular every day citizens will do. Just once I'd like to see some of you handle some of these people. Trust me, I got plenty of complaints thrown at me, which is why - and this is one thing I agree with all of you on - I quit, I was just sick of all the crap, so I realized, I don't have to work here.

Oh, one last thing, I don't know who started that "overtime" rumor but this is now the 2nd time I've heard it and I can tell you that it is for the most part BS. These cops HATE doing paperwork (as I did), they HATE showing up in court (as I did), I hate to break it to you but I did not enjoy coming in on my day off, overtime or not, neither did they. I can tell you for a fact most of those guys would like nothing more than to get in their cruiser, drive around for 8hrs and listen to the radio, again, there is always "that cop", but I am speaking about the majority of them. They are generally instructed to do this or that and beyond that they respond to calls from citizens, it's not like they make the 911 call.

The OT is not BS where I live...and it's especially prevalent in DUI cases. The cops here love the forced blood withdrawal because they are pretty much guaranteed it will be challenged and they get OT. They may hate it but they like the money.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The OT is not BS where I live...and it's especially prevalent in DUI cases. The cops here love the forced blood withdrawal because they are pretty much guaranteed it will be challenged and they get OT. They may hate it but they like the money.

Because nothing says freedom and liberty like this:

 

[JohnGalt1225]

Which is exactly why there should be no such thing as "career" cops.

Nobody could do that year in and year out without getting, jaded, corrupt or violent or all of the three.

Studies show that cops die pretty quickly after retiring. I wonder if it's just years of that shit catching up to them?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Studies show that cops die pretty quickly after retiring. I wonder if it's just years of that shit catching up to them?

Could be.

A volunteer force of locals, with strict maximums on time allowed, could be one element of getting rid of police as we know them now.

 

[AuH20]

Studies show that cops die pretty quickly after retiring. I wonder if it's just years of that shit catching up to them?

Some of the cops I know live real hard. Pill poppers and alcoholics. It's the psychological wear and tear I suspect.

 

[69360]

Studies show that cops die pretty quickly after retiring. I wonder if it's just years of that shit catching up to them?

High stress, bad diet, not much exercise is more likely.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Some of the cops I know live real hard. Pill poppers and alcoholics. It's the psychological wear and tear I suspect.

Most of the ones I know are pretty healthy. Of course, I only know them from the gym so maybe that explains it. Actually, they're all pretty nice fellers for a bunch of runts. All family men and women, I think.

 

[HankRicther12]

The OT is not BS where I live...and it's especially prevalent in DUI cases. The cops here love the forced blood withdrawal because they are pretty much guaranteed it will be challenged and they get OT. They may hate it but they like the money.

Most cases get pleaded out and never even get to court, I'm not saying a cop isn't happy to see more money in his paycheck, but it's not something they are jumping for joy about at the time and I have heard them plenty of times say "F---the money" because they are missing a family event or want to go home and go to bed after being on midnights, I usually felt the same way BTW. Every cop is different of course, but I can say I saw no big push by any of them to intentionally get court dates. Some of you just take things to an extreme, I have no pity for DUI drivers.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Freddie Gray did this to himself.

 

[Carlybee]

Because nothing says freedom and liberty like this:

Yes, it happened to one of my loved ones. It's now 24/7 here.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

THis is exactly why I find it impossible to believe in the grand conspiracy theory.

What grand conspiracy theory?

They have 9 days to get their story straight and you think that's evidence that it's NOT a conspiracy? Nononono...

 

[Carlybee]

Most cases get pleaded out and never even get to court, I'm not saying a cop isn't happy to see more money in his paycheck, but it's not something they are jumping for joy about at the time and I have heard them plenty of times say "F---the money" because they are missing a family event or want to go home and go to bed after being on midnights, I usually felt the same way BTW. Every cop is different of course, but I can say I saw no big push by any of them to intentionally get court dates. Some of you just take things to an extreme, I have no pity for DUI drivers.

You have to go to court every month for the reset for months until it gets to the plea out stage depending on the circumstances..if you have a decent lawyer. Sometimes it takes months to get depositions, results of the blood draw, finding an analyst to challenge the blood results. It's not like you get arrested one day and plea out the next. Whether you have pity or not is irrelevant..it's called due process.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

People who worship at the feet of the police, but it's actually not so far fetched. This happens a lot more than you think. Prisoners are aware of the police abuse stigma and utilize it to maximum effect so to generate prosecutorial leverage and/or punitive damages. We're typically dealing with two untrustworthy parties in the criminal and the police officer (see thin blue line). They will both lie, cheat and steal to get what they want. Of course, this could be pure speculation and could be another page in this sad chapter........http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investi...youth-shot-himself-death-says-coroner-n185016

We'll never know because there's nobody to police the police.

 

[HankRicther12]

Because nothing says freedom and liberty like this:

Oh yeah, that's just going on all the time in the jail I worked at, did that at least 3-4 times a day at least. What exactly is the point of this? It's a picture, it says nothing of the circumstances of why it's happening. Let me check again here, this is a RON PAUL forum right? You know, a place where people don't use the ugly Alinksy tactics, the ugly tactics of the media, the demagoguery - this is a place where people are innocent until proven guilty right - a place where you don't label a whole group of people by the actions of some in that group, especially when in most cases none of you even know what even happened?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

You have obviously never dealt with prisoners/suspects under arrest. They "go limp" all the time to make you drag them in a sign of protest. They also injure themselves all the time in order to go to the hospital instead of jail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lames-officers-camera-shows-self-assault.html

I wonder, where do you live? Do you live in a ghetto, or perhaps do you live in a lily-white town far removed from all these things you claim to be such an expert about?

NOW, let me clear, I'm not claiming I know what happened, however, you don't either so stop pretending you do or that you know the first thing about dealing with the "urban youth". These cops might be guilty, if so, I say send them to jail, well, I mean I'll give them their trial and all, but how about we make sure we actually know what happened first eh?

You can usually tell the difference. Nobody who's not seriously injured truly goes limp because that would require them to stop loudly protesting.