fred thompson and 2nd amendment.

[DaronWestbrooke]

Daron, I've looked over your past posts. You sound like a crossover Democrat. Are you?

Yes, I am sick of the establishment dems. The rEVOLution isn't just about Republicans you know! Or do you not want us?

 

[RP4ME]

Not the way I see it, Ron seems a lot more reasonable, voting against reducing waiting periods and voting for letting people sue gun companies when guns are used in crimes.

Fred seems way out there.. I've tried to use that GOA link for Fred and got beaten up over it by the right wingnuts because most of the 'anti-gun' things they list for Fred really aren't about guns or indirectly relate.

Ron is far more thoughtful and moderate on the subject. Fred seems like a wingnut. Who, after all, has a gun tournment named after them? If that isn't redneck gun lover pandering, nothing is.

I would rather support a sensible, well thought out Paul position on guns.

why woudl suing the gun manuf. be fair if they dont commit the crime? That makes no sense to me?

 

[voortrekker]

Why don't we hear it from Ron himself?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul91.html

Whew!!!!!!!

Thank you for this info.

I thought I was about to have a MI!

 

[DaronWestbrooke]

I smell a troll

Why? Because I look at Paul's record and see something that all sides can get behind? I'm not the one who wants to alienate half the voting block.

 

[Spirit of '76]

I was particularly amused by how he happened to appear in this thread:
http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=23499

Did you see the one where where he said:

We need to get real, Paul is an establishment candidate like the rest of them, and he is there to pander to us and make us think we have a voice.

http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=252750#post252750


Or how 'bout the one where he says Ron needs to come out in favor the Fairness Doctrine?
http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=253170#post253170

Or how 'bout the one where he's trying to spin Ron as being soft on immigration? Or the one where he's trying to spin Ron as being soft on abortion?

How much more obvious could it be?

 

[Corydoras]

Yes, I am sick of the establishment dems. The rEVOLution isn't just about Republicans you know! Or do you not want us?

Of course it's not just about Republicans-- we have a lot of Libertarians, too, and increasing numbers of Democrats. Well, what bothers you so much about the Democrats? You seem to be uncomfortable with the basic tenor of various of Ron's positions.

 

[DJ RP]

Fred Thompson is anti-gun ron paul is the the most pro gun candidate running and his record proves it. Tell that to your friend.

 

[DaronWestbrooke]

Did you see the one where where he said:


http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=252750#post252750


Or how 'bout the one where he says Ron needs to come out in favor the Fairness Doctrine?
http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=253170#post253170

Or how 'bout the one where he's trying to spin Ron as being soft on immigration? Or the one where he's trying to spin Ron as being soft on abortion?

How much more obvious could it be?

The first quote you completely missed that I was responding to someone who is dropping out of the rEVOLution just for Paul, not seeing the bigger picture.
As for the rest, I'm sorry if you don't like that half the country finds Ron acceptable to. I am a dem who is sick of the establishment and I thought I found someone who can appeal to my side as well. He seems a hell of a lot more balanced on issues than people on either side. I'm sorry if I tried to help you win over dems. The rEVOLution isn't just about right wingers you know. You need our side too.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Sometimes I'm concerned that Paul is just another puppet there to appease to us and make us think we have a voice...

Ahem.

 

[DaronWestbrooke]

Well, what bothers you so much about the Democrats? You seem to be uncomfortable with the basic tenor of various of Ron's positions.

What bothers me so much is they are more of the same shit, they only talk. I am not uncomfortable with Ron's positions, on the contrary, I am finding that Paul's positions on a lot of issues are something I can support as a democrat, they are reasonable, not radical. I like his freedom of people to choose versus the government forcing laws down our throats.

 

[DaronWestbrooke]

Ahem.

Quit playing games, full context. It is about the rEVOLution, not one man.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Quit playing games, full context. It is about the rEVOLution, not one man.

Piss off, troll.

 

[Rich333]

Fortunately I know enough about both RP's and FT's positions to know that Daron has it completely backwards, because he seems intent on trying to trick people like me into supporting FT. I am one of those "radicals" he refers to on this issue (though not a redneck... born and raised in Brooklyn); I don't care if it's a BB gun or an H-bomb, the right to bear arms is the right to bear arms, and those are arms.

 

[Corydoras]

Ahem.

LOL

 

[Spirit of '76]

Fortunately I know enough about both RP's and FT's positions to know that Daron has it completely backwards, because he seems intent on trying to trick people like me into supporting FT.

That's exactly what he's doing, despite his transparent cover story of being a liberal supporting Ron.

He's just here to put ridiculous spin on Ron's record in a vain attempt to make it look like he's soft on everything Republicans care about.

 

[Corydoras]

Imagine if all Christians who were against the neocon support of Israel's wars gave up their 10% tithe to the church for one month and gave it to Paul? Who stands more for their values anyway?

Oh, yeah, he sounds JUST like a converted Democrat trying to convert other Dems!

 

[Rich333]

He's just here to put ridiculous spin on Ron's record in a vain attempt to make it look like he's soft on everything Republicans care about.

It's not just a Republican issue. Anyone who has studied the history of the 20th century should be against weapons regulations. Governments murdered over 200 million of their own invariably disarmed citizens last century, and the death toll for this century is piling up pretty damn quick too.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Yeah, he seems to be having trouble figuring out which role he's supposed to play.

 

[ItsTime]

Yes, I am sick of the establishment dems. The rEVOLution isn't just about Republicans you know! Or do you not want us?

Welcome to the movement!

 

[Spirit of '76]

It's not just a Republican issue. Anyone who has studied the history of the 20th century should be against weapons regulations. Governments murdered over 200 million of their own invariably disarmed citizens last century, and the death toll for this century is piling up pretty damn quick too.

Yeah, I understand that. I'm just talking about the trolling posts "DaronWesbrooke" is making here, trying to make it look like Ron is soft on all the issues Republicans care about, such as the 2nd Amendment, abortion, immigration, etc.