FEMA Teaching Police "Founding Fathers were Terrorists"

[V4Vendetta]

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[Nathan Hale]

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Why? What reason do you have to think that this video is genuine?

 

[V4Vendetta]

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[WV Freedom Fighter]

Video aside, What I take offense to is that pamplet put out and being called a "terriorist" because I stand behind the Constitution, and because I am a Christian. I was born in this Country and would never do anything to hurt it or anyone, then they have the balls to say WE are TERRIORISTS? And we just let it slide and go hide somewhere? I for one will not hide, if the founding fathers were alive today, they would be fighting right NOW! I am ashamed at some of the responses in this thread, ashamed of our government, but most of all, ashamed of the American people for letting it get this far out of control. But as long as we have our TV's, video games, internet, etc. everything is all right. Please...for the love of God, WAKE UP PEOPLE! Before it's to late!

 

[Crickett]

I put it here so the people coming to this thread will understand whats going on in the Federal Government

SHAME on you if you don't want people to know this

Goes in Liberty Forest..NP!

 

[josh24601]

I have to admit this is a pretty easy bunch of people to troll.

 

[V4Vendetta]

I have to admit this is a pretty easy bunch of people to troll.

what do you mean?

 

[Nathan Hale]

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Still bumping this thread despite the fact that you have no information whatsoever about the video?

 

[V4Vendetta]

whats does it look like to you?

 

[Nathan Hale]

It looks to me like you ARE, in fact, bumping this thread despite the fact that you have no information about this video...unless of course you actually have some evidence pertaining to the the identity of the speaker, the identity of the audience, or the concept being taught.

Don't push a video just because it agrees with you. Push it because you KNOW who's speaking, and you KNOW who he's speaking to, and you KNOW exactly what he's trying to say. If you KNOW all of these things, then please, spread that information far and wide. But in order to successfully spread this information, you need to also spread WHY you KNOW it. Sources and evidence are required. Otherwise you're just a propagandist, and that makes you no better than the people we all supposedly oppose.

 

[V4Vendetta]

I WILL BUMP MY OWN THREAD IF I WANT TO.... PISS OFF

The Brochure is REAL.... that BROCHURE was really given out by the FBI!

They now have a new one given out, that says guys wearing Levis jeans are terrorists!

 

[V4Vendetta]

slk

 

[Nathan Hale]

I WILL BUMP MY OWN THREAD IF I WANT TO.... PISS OFF

Dude, you can bang your head against a wall a thousand times for all I care, but you're never going to spread the truth by posting random, unattributed videos. The only people you'll bring to your banner are gullible fools needy for conspiracy. If that's what you want to offer, then that's cool, but I'm here to learn the truth. And that means sourcing my information as best I can.

The Brochure is REAL.... that BROCHURE was really given out by the FBI!

They now have a new one given out, that says guys wearing Levis jeans are terrorists!

Quick, to the batcopter at Bohemian Grove!

 

[Mach]

You

Nathan Hale, who are you, are you for "Freedom", what is your point as far as attacking someone and their Post so consistently, you're not even just taking care of things in a "business" manor, you seem to have established a personal fervor in "attacking" V.............

all you need to do now is provide some "proof" as far as your genuine loyalty to Ron Paul and/or his opinions.... by the way don't bother stating that the video/subject in this Post is not what Ron Paul is for, these words are in no way shape and/or form implying that.......

You are working very hard at picking....... to the point that it is downright disrespectful and weak. For something that is supposedly so "foolish" you sure are wasting a lot of time on it, If you see that someone is wrong, correct them and move along, kind of immature to ramble on and on "going off" and saying things like...........

"Quick, to the batcopter at Bohemian Grove!"
- Nathan Hale

You are one of the main sources of this Post getting kicked to the top of the list over and over, it seems like you do it for you..... where is any of your "Proof" that a Police State is not in development, show your proof, there is no reason to keep telling others to prove their opinions, they are just personal opinions, I have eyes and can see, just because I have no proof does not mean I will ignore it.......

 

[Nathan Hale]

Nathan Hale, who are you, are you for "Freedom", what is your point as far as attacking someone and their Post so consistently, you're not even just taking care of things in a "business" manor, you seem to have established a personal fervor in "attacking" V.............

I'm not "attack[ing]" V. I am attacking his support for this video, because he is assuming important information. I am simply asking for his evidence that the video is what he says it is.

all you need to do now is provide some "proof" as far as your genuine loyalty to Ron Paul and/or his opinions.... by the way don't bother stating that the video/subject in this Post is not what Ron Paul is for, these words are in no way shape and/or form implying that.......

Why would I want to do that? I'm not trying to communicate that I'm "loyal" to Ron Paul.

You are working very hard at picking....... to the point that it is downright disrespectful and weak. For something that is supposedly so "foolish" you sure are wasting a lot of time on it, If you see that someone is wrong, correct them and move along, kind of immature to ramble on and on "going off" and saying things like...........

Because I consider it foolish, I am of the opinion that it's important that we confront it. I'm not picking. In fact I'm asking the most logical questions. He assumes that this video is somehow evidence of government conspiracy. A logical person seeks to VERIFY that claim.

"Quick, to the batcopter at Bohemian Grove!"
- Nathan Hale

Yeah, that was a good one.

You are one of the main sources of this Post getting kicked to the top of the list over and over, it seems like you do it for you.....

Oh, I don't mind the thread getting bumped, so long as it is this conversation that's getting it bumped. It's not about me, hell, nobody here even knows who I am. This is entirely anonymous. I just want people to see that it's important to get evidence - even when the claim is something that we agree with.

where is any of your "Proof" that a Police State is not in development, show your proof, there is no reason to keep telling others to prove their opinions, they are just personal opinions, I have eyes and can see, just because I have no proof does not mean I will ignore it.......

I think this is our disconnect. I'm not claiming that there is no police state in development. I'm not claiming ANYTHING on the subject. All I'm asking is that the person who IS making the claim, support the claim with evidence.

 

[pcosmar]

Nathan Hale
I had stayed away from this for a while, but will step in again.
There is NO web site defining or admitting to a plan for World Domination. There is not a single source that proves "it all".
There are numerous sites that have pieces, facts, and history.
Many groups track this.
Lots of documented evidence is available.

Math was never my best subject, but I can still add.
1+1+1=3
2+2=4
3+4=7
I can also research, read and think critically
The video in question by itself does not prove much, but added to the overwhelming body of evidence and the laws recently passed, and the direction that we have been moving, it is not hard to come to a logical conclusion.
The Government is not our friend and does not have our best interests in mind.
They are becoming our enemy.

Are you here to defend FEMA?
It should not exist.
Do you trust FEMA?

I DO NOT!!

 

[Nathan Hale]

Nathan Hale
I had stayed away from this for a while, but will step in again.
There is NO web site defining or admitting to a plan for World Domination. There is not a single source that proves "it all".
There are numerous sites that have pieces, facts, and history.
Many groups track this.
Lots of documented evidence is available.

You have a collection of random data, most of it coming from shady sources, in which you see a pattern. Just like aliens and global warming, it's easy to see a pattern in data, especially when you're looking for something. There is no set line in the sand as to when you can consider data to have amounted to anything serious, but the theorists have yet to cross that threshold, and as such this video is worthless unless somebody knows exactly what it shows and where it comes from.

Math was never my best subject, but I can still add.
1+1+1=3
2+2=4
3+4=7
I can also research, read and think critically

Then why ARENT you? This video is as vague as they come. Nobody knows who made it. Nobody knows exactly what is being communicated. Nobody knows who is speaking. And nobody knows the audience. The conclusions that people are drawing from this video are not logically founded, and will not be gounded without some more information about exactly what the video is. This is not a case where 1+1=2, too much information is missing.

The video in question by itself does not prove much, but added to the overwhelming body of evidence and the laws recently passed, and the direction that we have been moving, it is not hard to come to a logical conclusion.
The Government is not our friend and does not have our best interests in mind.
They are becoming our enemy.

And the burden of proof is on us to show that. That's why we need to think critically when something is put on our plate. Instead of assuming its veracity and adding it to the pile of other "evidence" whose veracity is mostly also assumed, we need to look at it and ask the tough questions. Why? Because the only way to stand up to a bad government is to recruit a lot more people to the cause - I'm talking orders of magnitude more. And that requires presenting only that which you can back up. Perhaps this video is good to show people. Perhaps it isn't. But it is only useful to the movement if we can show people, with evidence, that it is what we think it is.

Are you here to defend FEMA?
It should not exist.
Do you trust FEMA?

I DO NOT!!

Since when did the failure to follow lockstep on every opportunity to criticize the government turn into tacit support for the government? I haven't made a single statement in support of FEMA in this thread. The only reason you assume I support them is because I'm challenging a frivolous claim against them. I do this sort of devil's advocacy because many of us fail to approach things like this video with the required perspective and intellectual acuity.

 

[pcosmar]

And yet another piece of the puzzle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."

A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.

MSM report. For those that need one.
Personally I am finding the Alternative News Sources to be more credible by the day.

 

[New York For Paul]

Ron Paul supporters probably are on the list. Several people at CPAC reported that they held a meeting at the Capitol Hill Club in Washington D.C. and two FBI officials showed up and identified themselves and were there to observe a meeting of conservative activists.

Apparently the FBI wants to keep track of young conservative activists.
The Capitol Hill Club is right next to the Republican National Committee.

 

[Nathan Hale]

And yet another piece of the puzzle.

Charged wording, to be sure, but I don't deal in rhetoric. Let's look at your "piece of the puzzle".

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

MSM report. For those that need one.

Four points of contention:

First, it's not an "MSM report", it's an opinion piece written by Naderite environmentalists who have no affiliation at all with the newspaper.

Second, regarding your quip "for those that need one": We all need the "MSM" to report on these things if we're ever going to succeed at changing this country's fate.

Third, the authors' main claim and the one you called out, that KBR is building detention camps, is made without evidence. Their only attribution for the information is Peter Dale Scott, a poet/Berkeley professor/conspiracy theorist who needs to bring something to the table other than his word.

Fourth, most of the article isn't about contested information. The article simply details legislation of which the public is already well aware. This is all legislation we must fight, but it's not evidence that there is a government conspiracy to institute a police state. I fight this sort of stuff every day, and I do it without trying to convince people that there's a conspiracy behind it. You should do the same, unless, of course, you can show people that there's a conspiracy behind it (hint: doing so requires evidence).

Personally I am finding the Alternative News Sources to be more credible by the day.

Such as? What "Alternative News Sources" do you consider "more credible by the day"?