FEMA Teaching Police "Founding Fathers were Terrorists"

This is fact, just as Operation Northwoods, USS Liberty, Gulf f Tonkin and Bayer selling drugs to hemophiliacs tainted with the AIDS virus is fact. If you want to look the other way, by all means, handle your business. Bush's Grandfather helped bankroll and made his fortune off the Nazi's, even after the war started as well as participating in the "Business Plot" which was a 500,000 man coup to ovethrow the US Government and install a fascist dictatorship.
Pretending it does not exist does not make the problem dissappear.
 
This is fact, just as Operation Northwoods, USS Liberty, Gulf f Tonkin and Bayer selling drugs to hemophiliacs tainted with the AIDS virus is fact. If you want to look the other way, by all means, handle your business. Bush's Grandfather helped bankroll and made his fortune off the Nazi's, even after the war started as well as participating in the "Business Plot" which was a 500,000 man coup to ovethrow the US Government and install a fascist dictatorship.
Pretending it does not exist does not make the problem dissappear.

While I would love to contest most of your post, I want to stay on topic here. You open by saying "This is fact". Are you referring to the video that opens this thread? Or just the claim made by the unidentified speaker in the video that the founders were terrorists?
 
I put it here so the people coming to this thread will understand whats going on in the Federal Government

SHAME on you if you don't want people to know this
Shame on you for trying to shame people into agreeing with you.
 
Look, Glenn Beck, your true colors will soon shine. Will you turn out to be someone we can trust, or will you be another Paid off talking head?
 
Look, Glenn Beck, your true colors will soon shine. Will you turn out to be someone we can trust, or will you be another Paid off talking head?

Now here is someone I haven't seen posting regular in a while. Good thread to dig up.

P.S. LE, in my grandiose "baby seal clubbing" ways, man what a nice phrase to coin, thanks Cowsley :). I couldn't help but chuckle at your first post in this thread, despite its age now :)
 
Yeah, good thread to dig up. Perhaps he intends to finally produce some evidence to justify the claims he made at the start of this thread.

Direct quote from the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPg9MdN9Gio

"What was the first terrorist organization in the United States? Who? The founding fathers."

Thread title:
FEMA Teaching Police"Founding Fathers were Terrorists"

It is conditioning. The United States did not exist until the founding fathers created it. The premise of the question is flawed.

Note from the you tube posterr:
Video featured in 9/11 Road to Tyranny that was taken at an Oklahoma meeting where a FEMA representative tells the local police that the founding fathers were terrorists. Is this America?

Do I know for a fact the video is from FEMA? No. Can I buy into a presentation like this for police? You betcha.

What are you disputing?
 
Direct quote from the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPg9MdN9Gio

"What was the first terrorist organization in the United States? Who? The founding fathers."

Thread title:
FEMA Teaching Police"Founding Fathers were Terrorists"

I watched the video - numerous times. Why? Because I was looking for some evidence that it was a video in which FEMA was teaching the police, as the thread's name implied.

It is conditioning. The United States did not exist until the founding fathers created it. The premise of the question is flawed.

Take a listen to exactly what the speaker is saying. While he mentions that the founders were "terrorists" he's not condemning them. If anything, the unidentified speaker is attempting to break down the unidentified audience's preconceptions about what it means to be a terrorist.

Note from the you tube posterr:
Video featured in 9/11 Road to Tyranny that was taken at an Oklahoma meeting where a FEMA representative tells the local police that the founding fathers were terrorists. Is this America?

Do I know for a fact the video is from FEMA? No. Can I buy into a presentation like this for police? You betcha.

So you're taking it on faith. Well that's fine and dandy, but that does nothing for the Cause. The truth about this video still remains unknown. The speaker remains unidentified. The audience remains unidentified. The subject and direction of the presentation remains unidentified. Very little about that video is known to us, but too many of us seem more than willing to use it to incite others.

What are you disputing?

The claim that this is a video showing a FEMA instructor teaching police, and the initial post's implication that the speaker was purposefully maligning the founders.
 
The existence of FEMA is insulting to the founders.
The proof you are looking for is not in this video.

I doubt that you can find a direct reference in their materials that they are shitting on the Constitution.
But they are.
 
Take a listen to exactly what the speaker is saying. While he mentions that the founders were "terrorists" he's not condemning them. If anything, the unidentified speaker is attempting to break down the unidentified audience's preconceptions about what it means to be a terrorist.

That is conditioning.

So you're taking it on faith. Well that's fine and dandy, but that does nothing for the Cause. The truth about this video still remains unknown. The speaker remains unidentified. The audience remains unidentified. The subject and direction of the presentation remains unidentified. Very little about that video is known to us, but too many of us seem more than willing to use it to incite others.

Any conditioning to the effect that people who are passionate about a belief are dangerous is an item of concern.

The claim that this is a video showing a FEMA instructor teaching police, and the initial post's implication that the speaker was purposefully maligning the founders.

Yes it is not a confirmed fact that it is FEMA or those are police but I have a few questions:

Where have you heard the term "civilian" used?
Where have you heard the term "civilian" used in conjunction with "biological agent"?
What is the shape in the projector when he says if they attack us?

Where are you drawing the implication of misaligning the founders? Because I do not think of the video in that context at all. Only in a conditioning context.

Do you think in any SHTF scenario someone will be posting a copy of an executive order in advance?
 
That is conditioning.

I would consider it anti-conditioning, because he's taking a word like "terrorist" and applying it to a situation where our national bias doesn't often see terrorism. If you asked me, I would say he was applying the term to our founders in the same way I've applied the term to our founders - to help people see the current day and age's struggle with a little more perspective.

That said, based on your post - ALL instruction is conditioning.

Any conditioning to the effect that people who are passionate about a belief are dangerous is an item of concern.

That's not what he's teaching. What he's teaching is that criminals who are passionate about a belief are more dangerous. He's not trying to condition police to think that all people with passionate beliefs are threats.

Yes it is not a confirmed fact that it is FEMA or those are police but I have a few questions:
Where have you heard the term "civilian" used?
Where have you heard the term "civilian" used in conjunction with "biological agent"?
What is the shape in the projector when he says if they attack us?

I have neither the time nor the inclination for Socratic Method. I'd rather you just made your case.

Where are you drawing the implication of misaligning the founders? Because I do not think of the video in that context at all. Only in a conditioning context.

The opening post implies it.

Do you think in any SHTF scenario someone will be posting a copy of an executive order in advance?

I'm not sure I follow....
 
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Hoover is better remembered today for civil liberties abuses such as COINTELPRO program.
 
Yeah, good thread to dig up. Perhaps he intends to finally produce some evidence to justify the claims he made at the start of this thread.

Hey FED, Spook, or whoever you are, Piss off!!!!!!!!!
I guess this is a figment of my imagination also!!!!!!!!!
I am tired of your ass, I am so sick of you that I didn't even want to respond to you last time, you're a big waste of time.
http://www.infowars.com/secret-stat...rr-chuck-baldwin-libertarians-are-terrorists/

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Where the heck do they get off saying the flag of the "Son's of Liberty" Flag is a symbol of terrorists? The son's of liberty were responsible for the Boston Tea Party!!!! These bastards that made, and distributed this FILTH should be brought up on charges of treason!!!!!!!!!
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This next page is VERY disturbing on several levels. The fact that they would include "America: Freedom to Fascism" & Zeitgiest to the Turner Diaries, is VERY disturbing!!!!!!!! They are not even CLOSE to being related, the turner diaries is a racists white supremacists book!!!!!!!!
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FEMA is nothing more than the Shadow Government. Their interests are not to help people during a time of emergency or crisis, they were set up to make sure there is Continuity of Government in times of emergencies or crisis.

Many naive people think they are rather inept, especially when it came to hurricanes, in the past--their not inept, they are doing exactly what they were set up to do!

Right after Katrina people figured the government would come in to save the day--how many days went by? Disgruntled people started to get unruly, right around the fifth day. FEMA stopped anyone trying to get water and food and medical attention. Again, agitation and patience were wearing thin, but that's how they got away with sending troops in to quell the mob.

Government put troops on the streets in New Orleans to acclimate the people--nothing more. They totally ignored the The Posse Comitatus Act and Second Amendment, and went into areas not even flooded, affluent areas, and started taking the citizens guns away.

Here are all the executive orders that made it all possible:

http://www.dojgov.net/shadow_government.htm

40 Years of Executive Orders Trashes Our Constitutional Guarantee of Liberty

A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is bypassed.

Here are just a few Executive Orders that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen.

It should be noted that over time, some of the following Executive Orders have been rescinded or replaced by others. But the true terror to our liberty rests with the ease in which they can be issued and how earlier orders are frequently replaced by those of a more draconian nature:

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and granted the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Many of the figures in the Iran-Contra scandal were part of this emergency contingent, including Marine Colonel Oliver North.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."

The Violent Crime Control Act of 1991 provides additional powers to the President of the United States, allowing the suspension of the Constitution and Constitutional rights of Americans during a "drug crisis". It provides for the construction of detention camps, seizure of property, and military control of populated areas.

When the Constitution of the United States was framed it placed the exclusive legislative authority in the hands of Congress and with the President. Article I, Section 1 of the United States Constitution is concise in its language, "All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives." That is no longer true. The Bill of Rights protected Americans against loss of freedoms. That is no longer true. The Constitution provided for a balanced separation of powers. That is no longer applicable.

Perhaps it can be summed up succinctly in the words of conservative activist Howard J. Ruff. "Since the enactment of Executive Order 11490, the only thing standing between us and dictatorship is the good character of the President, and the lack of a crisis severe enough that the public would stand still for it."
 
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Executive Orders are NOT law.

Some orders do have the force of law when made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress, when those acts give the President discretionary powers.

States still have to allow the Feds in. Remember the flack Bush got for waiting to be asked by Louisiana?
 
Hey FED, Spook, or whoever you are, Piss off!!!!!!!!!

Sticks and stones, sticks and stones.

I guess this is a figment of my imagination also!!!!!!!!!

No. It's not. But it also doesn't provide any insight into the video that you led this thread with, so I don't see your point.

I am tired of your ass, I am so sick of you that I didn't even want to respond to you last time, you're a big waste of time.

Yes, I am. Since you're clearly a religious zealot on the issue, engaging me is a waste of time, because engaging me means engaging logic and evidence when it's so much more convenient for you to just believe.
 
Executive Orders are NOT law.

Some orders do have the force of law when made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress, when those acts give the President discretionary powers.

States still have to allow the Feds in. Remember the flack Bush got for waiting to be asked by Louisiana?

"Stroke of the pen. Law of the Land. Kinda cool."
Paul Begala, former Clinton advisor, The New York Times, July 5, 1998

"Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress. The President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the President the "executive Power." Section 3 of Article II further directs the President to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." To implement or execute the laws of the land, Presidents give direction and guidance to Executive Branch agencies and departments, often in the form of Executive Orders."

http://www.thisnation.com/question/040.html
 
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