FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

[acptulsa]

I wonder if the "classified materials" that they took from Trump are actually the Crossfire Hurricane files that Trump declassified on his last day of office and that Biden / Garland have so far failed to declassify and produce to Congress.

 

[Snowball]

I wonder if the "classified materials" that they took from Trump are actually the Crossfire Hurricane files that Trump declassified on his last day of office and that Biden / Garland have so far failed to declassify and produce to Congress.

It wouldn't matter. None of that will ever amount to anything. It's an attention vacuum and Q LARP.

Trump did nothing to stop them when he was president and can do nothing now and will do nothing
because Trump is a freaking reality show entertainer and bankrupt debtor bailed out by the Rothschilds agent, Wibur Ross.

 

[TheTexan]

It wouldn't matter. None of that will ever amount to anything. It's an attention vacuum and Q LARP.

Crossfire Hurricane was a massive abuse of federal power. I wouldn't exactly call it a Q LARP.

Trump did nothing to stop them when he was president and can do nothing now and will do nothing

Trump is nutless mega pussy on that we do agree

 

[ClaytonB]

bailed out by the Rothschilds agent, Wibur Ross.

Link? Not doubting you, but always on the lookout for info.

 

[Snowball]

Link? Not doubting you, but always on the lookout for info.

You know, links aren't what they used to be. The internet is not what it used to be. This being said, first I will describe from memory what I speak, then I will look for an existing link. There are 3 or 4 bankruptcies in Trump's business life. I remember one when I owned some Trump Entertainment stock in the 90s. Although it has been said, somewhat miseadingly, that Trump never declared "personal" bankruptcy, as in Ch 7 vs Ch 11, he was indeed functionally personally bankrupt at one point. Since he was such a celebrity, the Rothschilds decided they could get more out of him by keeping him whole and than letting him go through a personal BK or a complete loss of real estate holdings, making him lose his status in the public's mind. At this time, Wilbur Ross worked out a deal with Trump. He was employed by Baron Rothschild. When Trump was Prez, he appointed Ol' Wilbur as Secretary of Commerce, where lots of groovy things happen under the rug. Ok, let's see....
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..."Ross embarked on a strategy that helped Trump avoid a personal bankruptcy that could have derailed his unlikely trajectory from real-estate mogul to reality television star to president-elect."
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-wilbur-ross-commerce-20161208-story.html

HOW ROTHSCHILD INC. SAVED DONALD TRUMP
https://www.europereloaded.com/rothschild-inc-saved-donald-trump/

Getting Donald Out Of Debt: The 25-Year-Old Ties That Bind Trump and Wilbur Ross
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasew...ilbur-ross-a-look-at-25-years-of-connections/

The Trump - Rothschild - Rockefeller connections
https://silview.media/2021/05/30/the-trump-rothschild-rockefeller-connections/comment-page-1/

Meet President Swamp, the Rothschild'S Personal Bitch
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/01/23/meet-president-swamp-the-rothschilds-personal-bitch/

Icahn, Ross saved Trump brand from Taj Mahal casino mess
https://nypost.com/2016/11/25/icahn-ross-saved-trump-brand-from-taj-mahal-casino-mess/

Donald J. Trump ("Trump") beneficially owns 50% of Taj Associates and has pledged his total ownership interest as collateral under various debt agreements. ... 25 TRUMP TAJ MAHAL ASSOCIATES AND SUBSIDIARY NOTES TO CONSOLIDATED ... Rothschild Inc. ("Rothschild") has delivered to the Taj Holding Class B Directors and to the Board of Directors of ...
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/943320/0000950130-96-001492.txt

 

[ClaytonB]

You know, links aren't what they used to be. The internet is not what it used to be.

Granted. But your post is way above and beyond expectations... thanks, will be digging...

 

[fcreature]

It’s very hard for me to believe that he would have approved the application for the warrant to search Mar-a-Lago unless he felt the information in the affidavit was solid, especially considering the political ramifications and the certainty that the whole thing would backfire if the case for the warrant wasn’t strong enough.

Woah! Now it's starting to make sense. Please... wake up.

These guys already got caught falsifying documents to obtain FISA warrants to illegal spy on American citizens. They deployed spies and other assets into Trump's campaign. They entrapped multiple people around him into process crimes. They knowingly used opposition research compiled by foreign spies as the basis of launching FBI investigations. Under oath they lied to congress about the nature of these investigations. They falsified and planted evidence in multiple occasions to keep the show going.

None of the things I've mentioned are even in dispute. They're just ignored.

What political ramifications were there for all of that? What history or evidence is there to suggest they care about political ramifications? There are no ramifications. No, they were rewarded with 81 million "votes" to a dementia patient who didn't even campaign and a total communist takeover of the federal government.

And now we have an outright rouge DOJ violating fourth amendment rights, making use of general search warrants premised on statues and legal arguments that clearly don't hold up to scrutiny. And we have Ron Paul inspired libertarians defending it.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I wonder if the "classified materials" that they took from Trump are actually the Crossfire Hurricane files that Trump declassified on his last day of office and that Biden / Garland have so far failed to declassify and produce to Congress.

This was discussed on the Ingraham Angle tonight, and was discussed as if it was fact, not speculation. The guest was someone who had worked on the original Trump legal team.

Once again, this can be blamed on Trump. He should not have kept it, he should have released the declassified documents directly to multiple media outlets. Waiting for the deep state to release the docs would be foolish, and would lead directly to the raid. The deep state and spook agencies would never stand for someone having dirt on them. As many whistleblowers have said in the past, their best option to avoid being taken out is to release everything right from the start.

 

[ClaytonB]

Woah! Now it's starting to make sense. Please... wake up.

These guys already got caught falsifying documents to obtain FISA warrants to illegal spy on American citizens. They deployed spies and other assets into Trump's campaign. They entrapped multiple people around him into process crimes. They knowingly used opposition research compiled by foreign spies as the basis of launching FBI investigations. Under oath they lied to congress about the nature of these investigations. They falsified and planted evidence in multiple occasions to keep the show going.

None of the things I've mentioned are even in dispute. They're just ignored.

What political ramifications were there for all of that? What history or evidence is there to suggest they care about political ramifications? There are no ramifications. No, they were rewarded with 81 million "votes" to a dementia patient who didn't even campaign and a total communist takeover of the federal government.

And now we have an outright rouge DOJ violating fourth amendment rights, making use of general search warrants premised on statues and legal arguments that clearly don't hold up to scrutiny. And we have Ron Paul inspired libertarians defending it.

Shhhhh....

 

[Sonny Tufts]

And now we have an outright rouge DOJ violating fourth amendment rights, making use of general search warrants premised on statues and legal arguments that clearly don't hold up to scrutiny. And we have Ron Paul inspired libertarians defending it.

Unless you've seen an unredacted copy of the affidavit as well as all of the other information DOJ has, this is pure speculation. You have no bleedin' clue whether anything holds up to scrutiny.

 

[TheTexan]

Unless you've seen an unredacted copy of the affidavit as well as all of the other information DOJ has, this is pure speculation. You have no bleedin' clue whether anything holds up to scrutiny.

There is basically a 0.1% chance that the raid wasn't politically motivated.

If they aren't going to give us the unredacted copy of the affidavit that shows otherwise, we are going to assume (and very safely so) that this was an extreme government overreach, as all of the available information that we have points in that direction, and is consistent with a 7+year history of politically motivated federal abuse.

At this point, you're the one speculating... that it was not overreach.

 

[Invisible Man]

There is basically a 0.1% chance that the raid wasn't politically motivated.

If they aren't going to give us the unredacted copy of the affidavit that shows otherwise, we are going to assume (and very safely so) that this was an extreme government overreach, as all of the available information that we have points in that direction, and is consistent with a 7+year history of politically motivated federal abuse.

At this point, you're the one speculating... that it was not overreach.

Trump will get the last laugh though. Even if they don't publish an unredacted copy of the affidavit, Trump will be able to produce his own records proving that any documents in his possession that had at one time been classified no longer were, because he personally declassified them.

Boy, will he make a fool of Garland and the FBI then! They walked right into his trap!

Because Trump is smart, and he will be able to prove that, right?

 

[TheTexan]

Trump will get the last laugh though. Even if they don't publish an unredacted copy of the affidavit, Trump will be able to produce his own records proving that any documents in his possession that had at one time been classified no longer were, because he personally declassified them.

Boy, will he make a fool of Garland and the FBI then! They walked right into his trap!

Because Trump is smart, and he will be able to prove that, right?

All this does is create more division.

Beautiful, delectable, division.

It will be me getting the last laugh

 

[Sonny Tufts]

There is basically a 0.1% chance that the raid wasn't politically motivated.

If they aren't going to give us the unredacted copy of the affidavit that shows otherwise, we are going to assume (and very safely so) that this was an extreme government overreach, as all of the available information that we have points in that direction, and is consistent with a 7+year history of politically motivated federal abuse.

At this point, you're the one speculating... that it was not overreach.

I wasn't addressing whether it was politically motivated; I was responding to fcreature's claim that everything is so clear that the search is a violation of the 4th Amendment and can't hold up to scrutiny. That will be determined by the courts, although there are probably some who are convinced the federal judiciary is full of commies who get their instructions on how to rule straight from Moscow or Beijing and that any decision against Trump is a violation of the Constitution, even though they don't know squat about the law.

There's no way an unredacted copy of the affidavit will be released (it's due to be released in a few minutes). If uninformed folks want to conclude that the search was an overreach, so be it. But I suggest to you that (a) Trump's taking material (some of which was classified) that didn't belong to him, (b) his stonewalling the Archives for over a year in their attempts to get it back, and (c) the failure of less intrusive means to recover the material are consistent with the view that the search wasn't overreach.

 

[TheTexan]

I wasn't addressing whether it was politically motivated; I was responding to fcreature's claim that everything is so clear that the search is a violation of the 4th Amendment and can't hold up to scrutiny. That will be determined by the courts, although there are probably some who are convinced the federal judiciary is full of commies who get their instructions on how to rule straight from Moscow or Beijing and that any decision against Trump is a violation of the Constitution, even though they don't know squat about the law.

There's no way an unredacted copy of the affidavit will be released (it's due to be released in a few minutes). If uninformed folks want to conclude that the search was an overreach, so be it. But I suggest to you that (a) Trump's taking material (some of which was classified) that didn't belong to him, (b) his stonewalling the Archives for over a year in their attempts to get it back, and (c) the failure of less intrusive means to recover the material are consistent with the view that the search wasn't overreach.

You say "uninformed". I have the same information that you do. We just choose to interpret in 2 different ways.

Because, again, we live in 2 different realities.

I used to think people in your reality were uninformed.

If I just provided them the right information they would come around to reason.

If I just presented the information in the right way they would come around to reason.

Nope.

It took many years to dispel myself of that notion.

You should do the same.

Expecting us to come to your point of view, will never happen, for the same reason.

2 different realities.

 

[TheTexan]

The reasons for the redactions have been published... and almost all of the reasons are themselves redacted. LOL

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000182-daea-d289-a3bb-daef43180000

 

[TheTexan]

 

[TheTexan]

And the redacted affidavit:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000182-daec-dfd1-adef-dafe79d30000

 

[TheTexan]

Did a quick read through the redacted affidavit... and there's nothing in there we don't already know. Huge chunks of it are redacted, because, well <redacted>.

Affidavit is huge nothing burger in its redacted form

 

[Invisible Man]

And the redacted affidavit:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000182-daec-dfd1-adef-dafe79d30000

They are really doubling down on that claim that he had classified documents.

They sure will have egg on their faces when the National Declassification Center tells them that all those documents had been declassified before Trump left office. Even their own defenders in the media won't be able to refrain from asking the obvious question of, "Why didn't you check to see if the documents had been declassified before the raid?" I can't wait!

And then the next thing to happen after that is Trump will personally publicize the declassified documents, which he for some unknown reason never did prior to the raid, but which we need not question will be motivated by the good of the country.