FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

[acptulsa]

Trump still has enormous brand power and broad appeal not only in the US but internationally, as well.

So does the Edsel.

Republican partisans may be infinitely willing to support him, even after he paid Big Pharma billions to develop poison and sell it. Republican partisans may have skin in the insult of the search warrant. But independent voters outnumber them, and don't care about that crap. They're being broken. That's what they care about.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

In the reality we live in, the media, courts, and federal bureau's have repeatedly and consistently proved their dishonesty, abuse, & manipulation.

I suggest you would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to not realize Trump has done exactly the same thing.

Btw, what are the court decisions you feel were dishonest, abusive, or manipulative?

 

[Sonny Tufts]

The President is not part of the military

Which is precisely why comparing the respect owed to an ex-President to that owed to someone who has actually served in the military (especially one who served in a combat zone) is inapposite.

a lifelong political figure

Federal judges have lifetime tenure. They don't run for office or have to pander to their base.

 

[TheTexan]

I suggest you would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to not realize Trump has done exactly the same thing.

Btw, what are the court decisions you feel were dishonest, abusive, or manipulative?

As I said, different realities. It simply is not worth my time to provide examples, as they are numerous and easily available to those living in this side of reality.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Strong enough" ... according to whom?...whatever "solid" means, as decided by whomever

The federal judiciary. Who else wouid you have make the determination?

Assuming for the sake of argument that the information in the affidavit was not "solid" (whatever "solid" means, as decided by whomever), what reason is there to think that Garland would suffer any serious or significant consequences - apart, at worst, from perhaps being fired (or "allowed to retire") as AG? As for "what was at stake" (and continuing with our assumption), he certainly won't have been the first politician to have fallen on his sword (if it even went that far) as the result of a miscalculation of the odds for some politically motivated gambit.

If the whole thing was political, as you and others seem to believe, why didn't Garland clear it with Biden (of course, you probably think he did)?

The prosecutorial adverse consequence for a busted warrant is the possibility that none of the seized materials could be used in a criminal prosecution.

 

[ClaytonB]

Which is precisely why comparing the respect owed to an ex-President to that owed to someone who has actually served in the military (especially one who served in a combat zone) is inapposite.

Not "comparing" anything to anything. A veteran of war is someone who has been in a war. Every recent President is a war President and, thus, war veteran. If that word triggers some weird NPC-circuit in your brain, pick some other word like "champion" or "victor". I despise Clinton, Bush and Obama but the fact is that they were each CINC and, therefore, the highest-"ranking" "member" of the military, in war-time, regardless of which words you choose to describe that. Not everything is value-laden.

Federal judges have lifetime tenure. They don't run for office or have to pander to their base.

Yep, it's an MSM talking-points bot confirmed...

 

[ClaytonB]

So does the Edsel.

Republican partisans may be infinitely willing to support him, even after he paid Big Pharma billions to develop poison and sell it. Republican partisans may have skin in the insult of the search warrant. But independent voters outnumber them, and don't care about that crap. They're being broken. That's what they care about.

I understand that that's your take on it but you're looking at it wrong. The GOP is not all evil. It's the McConnell-wing of the GOP (RINOs/neoCONs) who are pure evil and who infested the GOP under GWB to detonate it from within, exactly as you have described Trump. So, you've got the right theory about what the Dems have done to the GOP, you're just off by about 16 years. It was Bush 43 and his neoCON administration who quite literally did a controlled-demolition of the GOP into its own footprint, from within. It wasn't perfect under Clinton, by any means, but it wasn't straight-up Marxism as it became under the neoCONs and has remained since.

I get your problems with Trump, I really do. If all those problems were not there, Trump would be basically perfect. But I disagree with the lens on which you're analyzing the political calculations going on here. I don't agree that Trump is GOP-partisan, I think that MAGA is hostile to the GOP because the GOP is poison under the McConnellite RINO/neoCONs, and I think that Trump is just happy to have MAGA be as operationally independent of the GOP as possible. If he could make it its own party, I think he would. The GOP is Twitter and MAGA is Truth Social. It's Trump's own brand. But in the Swamp calculus, that's "too much power" for "any one man"; that's what unites the Dem lunatics and the RINO/neoCON Swamp against Trump. I know you don't agree with that analysis but you do you...

 

[acptulsa]

I understand that that's your take on it but you're looking at it wrong. The GOP is not all evil.

Who says it is?

If all those problems were not there, Trump would be basically perfect.

Who wouldn't?

But in the Swamp calculus, that's "too much power" for "any one man"; that's what unites the Dem lunatics and the RINO/neoCON Swamp against Trump.

That won't get him elected. Oh, it'll bring the partisans out. But then the Democrats say, Biden's retiring due to Alzheimer's, so here's someone who spent the whole covid mess laying low, unlike Mr. Warp Speed. And Trump loses legitimately this time.

That's my fearless prediction. Bookmark it, if you want.

Do you have eyes to see that I'm not trying to warn Republicans to avoid this trap because I hate them all, and want the straight up commies to win? Or can you entertain the notion that maybe I have a point, and renominating the Father of the Trumpcine could be a major blunder?

Independent voters who lost loved ones to myocarditis don't give a flying fuck if partisans get revenge for the indignity of a search warrant. If you don't believe me, turn off your computer and go talk to some.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Yep, it's an NPC bot confirmed...

You might want the read the Constitution some time and educate yourself.

 

[TheTexan]

why didn't Garland clear it with Biden (of course, you probably think he did)?

As for me, I have no idea if he cleared it with Biden and I am not concerned with that aspect.

If the whole thing was political, as you and others seem to believe, why didn't Garland clear it with Biden (of course, you probably think he did)?

It is entirely possible, and even probable, that Garland doesn't think his actions are political. He probably thinks he's doing what's best for the country, and that he's executing his position with the integrity that is expected of such a role.

But again, like you, he lives in a different reality than we do. He lives in a reality where Trump only came into office because of Russian interference in the 2016 election. In the reality that he lives in, Trump was never a legitimate President, the dossier stuff was all real, and he could be selling secrets to Russia as we very speak. Even if these aren't his personal views (though they very likely are), there would be internal pressure on him from these views to pressure him to take the action of raiding Trump's home.

It is exceedingly unlikely that these biases did not have a factor in the decision to raid Trump's home.

To your side of reality, these biases are warranted, and justified.

To our side of reality, these biases are ridiculous political hoaxes.

So, whether or not Garland's actions are "political", again... depends on which side of reality you are on.

 

[ClaytonB]

Independent voters who lost loved ones to myocarditis don't give a flying $#@! if partisans get revenge for the indignity of a search warrant. If you don't believe me, turn off your computer and go talk to some.

I'm reminded of the saying by Jesus: "Let the dead bury their dead." Let the partisans party their partisans. The "raid" of Mar-a-Lago is obviously politically motivated. The hyper-ventilating Faux News anchors are, likewise, motivated by the pettiest of political agendas that have nothing to do with the day-to-day concerns of the ordinary American. So, the two wings of the Marxist Party of America are made for each other. That said, I just don't accept the idea that Trump is some kind of cookie-cutter Establishment boy that is doing what he is told. Something else is happening.

Your theory is that "something else" is just another Klaussie trick. We should believe that Klaussie has zillions of bucks and that makes him smarter than anyone else on planet earth. I don't believe that the Schwabites are smarter than everybody else, in fact, they are dumber than a box of rocks. They are unimaginably stupid. Unfortunately, there is no rational way to settle an argument with an idiot. It just come down to who holds the stronger hand. We will see...

 

[acptulsa]

Your theory is that "something else" is just another Klaussie trick. We should believe that Klaussie has zillions of bucks and that makes him smarter than anyone else on planet earth. I don't believe that the Schwabites are smarter than everybody else, in fact, they are dumber than a box of rocks. They are unimaginably stupid.

As Jesus said in Matthew Six, they have their reward. I guess it's enough for them. You think that makes them stupid. I really don't disagree.

But I'm not making the mistake of conflating "stupid" with "not canny" or "incapable of fooling people". Quite the opposite. Regardless of which of us is right about Trump, I'm not wrong about a large number of independent voters. They don't care about the search and they want nothing to do with Warp Speed Trump. It also doesn't matter if this trap was set by Schwab's Minions or not. It's still a trap.

Unfortunately, there is no rational way to settle an argument with an idiot. It just come down to who holds the stronger hand. We will see...

We still have time to avoid betting on an inside straight before the draw.

 

[acptulsa]

DP

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Always the same cast of characters. IRS targeting of Tea Party, Russia-Gate, Whitmer kidnapping, Jan 6 "investigation", Mar-a-Logo raid...

Go to 5:30 mark...

https://rumble.com/v1h02a7-jesse-watters-primetime-82222-fox-news-august-22-2022.html

 

[Brian4Liberty]

"Many of the officials spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity"

Ahh... good old step 1.. they combined it with step 5 this time.

1. Anonymous sources


2. Wrap-up Smear


3. Schiff-in-a-SCIF (I saw it but you can't)


4. Use AI to hide opposing narratives on social media


5. List of Liars (experts)


6. Laundry List persuasion


7. Truth emerges, too late

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1558253104226701312

One of the defining characteristics of criminals is that they accuse others of their own crimes...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9JuyJ1nZo

 

[Sonny Tufts]

He lives in a reality where Trump only came into office because of Russian interference in the 2016 election. In the reality that he lives in, Trump was never a legitimate President, the dossier stuff was all real, and he could be selling secrets to Russia as we very speak. Even if these aren't his personal views (though they very likely are), there would be internal pressure on him from these views to pressure him to take the action of raiding Trump's home.

Unless you're a mind reader, on what do you base these speculations regarding his mental state? Has he ever said that Trump was illigitimate, that there was Russian interference, etc.?

Or are you saying that he's surrounded by people who have these views, who somehow pressured him to approve the application for the warrant? But he's at the top of DOJ, and he's heard good and bad legal arguments from litigating and appellate lawyers for a long time. I suspect his B.S. detector works just fine.

I hope you realize, btw, that a federal magistrate, not Garland, had to approve the issuance of the warrant. So IF he thought there was probable cause to issue a warrant, are you saying he shouldn't have applied for it?

 

[TheTexan]

Unless you're a mind reader, on what do you base these speculations regarding his mental state? Has he ever said that Trump was illigitimate, that there was Russian interference, etc.?

Did you read what I wrote? Read the last sentence of what you quoted, then get back to me.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Did you read what I wrote?

I read where you said those were very likely Garland's personal views. I was just wondering how you came to that conclusion.

 

[TheTexan]

I read where you said those were very likely Garland's personal views. I was just wondering how you came to that conclusion.

I don't have to be a mind reader to know whether or not it's likely that Merrick Garland has the biases that I've described.

I must merely be a statistician.

And statistically, roughly 45% of the general public has the biases I described. Amongst the Democratic party, that number is closer to 90%. Given his Democratic Party affiliation, it is safe to assume, with fair amount of confidence, that he has the biases that I described.

In the unlikely event he does not have these biases, then most of his directly reporting staff certainly does. And if you know anything about positions of leadership, when there is that much overwhelming support for an action from your staff, you generally have very little choice but to follow their recommendations. Unless you just want to get fired. It takes enormous leadership strength to go against 90% of your staff.

This is to say, there is the remote possibility that this action that he took was not taken as the result of political biases. But that remote possibility is vanishingly small.

 

[TheTexan]

I wonder if the "classified materials" that they took from Trump are actually the Crossfire Hurricane files that Trump declassified on his last day of office and that Biden / Garland have so far failed to declassify and produce to Congress.