FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

[ClaytonB]

The 1st amendment continues to get flushed down the drain.

Man is arrested for saying the "FBI deserves to die"

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/p...you-work-for-the-fbi-then-you-deserve-to-die/

Freshly-baked:

 

[Sonny Tufts]

It's all just political theater, and it appears to also be a Hail Mary attempt to lock Trump out of the 2024 race by legal force. Bookmark this post and feel free to point out that I got it wrong if I turn out to have been wrong. You can be sure I'll sleep like a baby tonight...

You may sleep like a baby because you haven't a clue. Did Trump ever apply for security clearance? Was he ever vetted like almost everyone else who gets one? Was he ever formally granted one? Not at all. He got access to classified material solely because his job as President required him to have it. The same goes for the Vice President and Members of Congress. But once he's out of office, he has no need to access classified information because he's not in a position that requires it. His "clearance" lasted only so long as he was POTUS and not a second longer. Any access to classified information thereafter is only with the consent of the sitting President.

Sure, they may give top secret clearances to a lot of people, but there's still a process that people have to go through to get one. It's not enough that someone is "working with" the government. If that were the case, a Private E-1 who's been in the Army for a week and is still in basic training would get one.

Next time, try to post a link to a site that doesn't require a subscription.

I have stated several times that using the statutes to disqualify Trump from being elected in in 2024 won't work.

And ex-POTUS is in highest demand of all, because only POTUS has clearance to "see everything".

The ex-POTUS had the opportunity to see everything. And since he has personally guaranteed over $400 miilion in debt I'm sure he would be in very high demand by many foreign countries who would love to buy secrets from him. And yet you think he has lifelong clearance?

 

[ClaytonB]

His "clearance" lasted only so long as he was POTUS and not a second longer.

Ah yes, the world according to the Biden FBI...

It's not enough that someone is "working with" the government.

To be eligible for consideration, yes it is. Search "covered person". Box-packers get TS clearance. It's handed out like candy. All senior elected officials have TS clearance effectively for life if they want it. Again, this only makes sense because if you trusted Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, etc. with the nuclear codes, what the hell is the point in trying to say they can't be trusted with some government documents because "they're not in office any longer." It's idiotic. Obviously, specific SCI is operational in nature and only sitting POTUS would have default access to that. But TS clearance doesn't mean you can read any document you want, it just means you're cleared to read the document if you are read in on the program.

This is not complicated stuff and I find it outrageous that the MSM is baiting confusion about it. Random Internet Person like you being confused... OK, whatever. But the MSM are professionals, this is just inexcusable. And this is why I didn't want to get into this with you. You're confused and you're just posturing, which is typical bot-tactics. If you have some facts to present, present them. Otherwise, beat it!

I have stated several times that using the statutes to disqualify Trump from being elected in in 2024 won't work.

It's improbable but not impossible... hence "Hail Mary".

The ex-POTUS had the opportunity to see everything. And since he has personally guaranteed over $400 miilion in debt I'm sure he would be in very high demand by many foreign countries who would love to buy secrets from him. And yet you think he has lifelong clearance?

I will abridge the urge to remark on your intelligence. Let me put it this way:

- Trump knows any and all classified information about who assassinated JFK (if he wanted to)

- Trump knows any and all classified information about what really happened on 9/11 (if he wanted to)

- Trump knows any and all classified information about what is stored at Area 51 (if he wanted to)

- Trump knows any and all classified information about Benghazi

- Trump knows any and all classified information about US military's present and future capabilities, specifically including the blackest of all black projects

... I could go on. The point is that the MSM (and lobotomized online bots who regurgitate MSM talking-points verbatim) is trying to pretend that ex-POTUS is equivalent to ex-Dept. of Education director or some BS bureaucratic position like that. These are not equivalent things. While Trump was POTUS, he was the embodiment and personification of the Executive branch of the United States. That makes him (present-tense) superior rank to any government official except Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter... yes, for life, because that's how the honor of rank works. This is so obvious that I don't understand why it even needs to be explained. For Merrick Garland to treat Trump like some random ex-department head is not only transparently political, it's really a kind of insubordination. This is why ex-POTUS has historically been treated as "hands off", meaning, you don't keep trying to settle political scores on the ex-POTUS. Until Trump, of course, because Trump won't play by the Swamp's rules, so it's no-holds-barred war on Trump.

Remember: payback's a b!tch. The Swamp may soon regret opening the Pandora's Box of settling petty political scores on ex-POTUS because I can think of at least 3 ex-POTUS that we know are guilty of war-crimes, just from past headlines. All I can say is they better get their man... everything hangs in the balance...

 

[Sonny Tufts]

That makes him (present-tense) superior rank to any government official except Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Carter... yes, for life, because that's how the honor of rank works.

There's a difference between the honor of rank and the authority of rank. While the former may make it proper to call Trump (and Bush, Carter, Clinton, and Obama) "Mr. President", it doesn't authorize an ex-POTUS to take and conceal classified documents.

For Merrick Garland to treat Trump like some random ex-department head is not only transparently political, it's really a kind of insubordination. This is why ex-POTUS has historically been treated as "hands off", meaning, you don't keep trying to settle political scores on the ex-POTUS. Until Trump, of course, because Trump won't play by the Swamp's rules, so it's no-holds-barred war on Trump.

Insubordination? Are you serious? Trump has absolutely no authority over Garland, and he isn't entitled to unqualified deference (although I have no doubt he thinks he is). Moreover, since you have no idea what's in the warrant affidavit or what was retrieved your categorization of Garland's actions as political is pure speculation. Ex-Presidents may have historically been treated with kid gloves, but how many have taken and concealed classified documents?

I'm just as curious as you are (then again, maybe you don't care) to find out what was retrieved and to see the redacted affidavit, assuming it's released. But if there's really, really sensitive material involved we may not know for some time.

 

[ClaytonB]

Insubordination? Are you serious?

Absolutely serious. Dishonoring a veteran is a form of insubordination to the active chain-of-command since the active chain-of-command enforces (or is supposed to enforce) rank and decorum.

There's a difference between the honor of rank and the authority of rank. While the former may make it proper to call Trump (and Bush, Carter, Clinton, and Obama) "Mr. President", it doesn't authorize an ex-POTUS to take and conceal classified documents.

Yes, you're right, I'm a sheep and my name is Pollyanna and ex-POTUS should go to jail if he touches a classified document 1 second after leaving office... hurrr durrr

Once again: Be careful what you wish for...

I'm just as curious as you are (then again, maybe you don't care)

And they said leftists can't learn... look at him go!

You got it, sonny... I don't give a damn.

 

[acptulsa]

And they said leftists can't learn... look at him go!

Are you capable of going a full day without using YER A LEFTIST as a substitute for a rational argument?

 

[TheTexan]

Are you capable of going a full day without using YER A LEFTIST as a substitute for a rational argument?

Does it matter? When it comes to Sonny Tufts, I just assume anyone arguing with him is doing it for their own shits & giggles, and not for anyone's edification.

 

[ClaytonB]

Does it matter? When it comes to Sonny Tufts, I just assume anyone arguing with him is doing it for their own $#@!s & giggles, and not for anyone's edification.

This man gets it...

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Absolutely serious. Dishonoring a veteran is a form of insubordination to the active chain-of-command since the active chain-of-command enforces (or is supposed to enforce) rank and decorum.

We aren't talking about veterans, and executing a search warrant isn't dishonoring anyone. Or are you suggesting that under no circumstances should the home of a veteran or an ex-President ever be the subject of a search warrant? And you know what's really dishonorable? Analogizing Donald "Bone Spurs" Trump to a military vet.

Look, Merrick Garland had been a judge for 24 years before becoming AG, and he obviously knows the law of probable cause as it relates to a search warrant. It’s very hard for me to believe that he would have approved the application for the warrant to search Mar-a-Lago unless he felt the information in the affidavit was solid, especially considering the political ramifications and the certainty that the whole thing would backfire if the case for the warrant wasn’t strong enough. You may not like his politics or those of the administration he serves, but he isn't stupid. He knew exactly what was at stake.

 

[TheTexan]

It’s very hard for me to believe that he would have approved the application for the warrant to search Mar-a-Lago unless he felt the information in the affidavit was solid

And thus lies the root of the issue.

You're living in a different reality than we are.

In the reality we live in, the media, courts, and federal bureau's have repeatedly and consistently proved their dishonesty, abuse, & manipulation. Trump is a lightning rod for this abuse, but certainly the scope of their dishonesty is not limited just to Trump.

And to us, you would have to be Helen fuckin Keller to have not seen this for yourself.

You still live in a reality, where you think everything is operating normally and fairly. Enjoy your illusion, while it lasts...

 

[ClaytonB]

We aren't talking about veterans,

Does "Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces" ring a bell? The President is not part of the military but he holds the highest rank (CINC). I think Wikipedia calls it "authority" instead of "rank", but that's just parsing words. The point is that every member of the joint-chiefs salutes CINC because he outranks them and he is their commander. You can pretend that's not a "real" veteran, but I don't know what else you would call the commander of the entire US military in wartime (and we are in permanent war since 9/11.)

It’s very hard for me to believe that ...

... a lifelong political figure would go on a politically-motivated witch-hunt after 5+ years of non-stop political witch-hunts targeting Trump. You're one tough skeptic!!

considering the political ramifications and the certainty that the whole thing would backfire

Every blunder in the World Chess Championship was made after long deliberation and consideration. But it was still a blunder.

he isn't stupid. He knew exactly what was at stake.

Gentlemen, place your bets...

For those hanging their hat on the Merrick Garland tree, here, have a mercy-hit of some Hopium... you're gonna need it...

 

[Occam's Banana]

It’s very hard for me to believe that he would have approved the application for the warrant to search Mar-a-Lago unless he felt the information in the affidavit was solid, especially considering the political ramifications and the certainty that the whole thing would backfire if the case for the warrant wasn’t strong enough. You may not like his politics or those of the administration he serves, but he isn't stupid. He knew exactly what was at stake.

"Ramifications" (i.e., consequences) ... as applied by whom? What "certainty"? "Backfire" ... in what way? "Strong enough" ... according to whom?

Assuming for the sake of argument that the information in the affidavit was not "solid" (whatever "solid" means, as decided by whomever), what reason is there to think that Garland would suffer any serious or significant consequences - apart, at worst, from perhaps being fired (or "allowed to retire") as AG? As for "what was at stake" (and continuing with our assumption), he certainly won't have been the first politician to have fallen on his sword (if it even went that far) as the result of a miscalculation of the odds for some politically motivated gambit.

 

[dannno]

Does it matter? When it comes to Sonny Tufts, I just assume anyone arguing with him is doing it for their own shits & giggles, and not for anyone's edification.

After trying to argue that CNN is credible on this type of information, I'd be curious about their score on the Hoax quiz.

@Sonny Tufts


Hoax Quiz


How many of these hoaxes do you still believe are true?

1. Russia Collusion Hoax

2. Steele Dossier hooker story

3. Russia paying bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan

4. Trump called Neo-Nazis "Fine people."

5. Trump suggested drinking/injecting bleach to fight COVID

6. Trump overfed koi fish in Japan

7. Trump cleared protesters with tear gas for a bible photo op

8. Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation

9. Elections were fair because no court found major fraud.

10. January 6th was an "insurrection" to overthrow the government

11. Trump tried to grab the steering wheel of The Beast

12. Border Patrol Agents whipped illegal border crossers

 

[ClaytonB]

Hoax Quiz
...
11. Trump tried to grab the steering wheel of The Beast

This one actually happened... there's photographic evidence:

 

[acptulsa]

11. Trump tried to grab the steering wheel of The Beast

Which one?

 

[RJB]

Does it matter? When it comes to Sonny Tufts, I just assume anyone arguing with him is doing it for their own shits & giggles, and not for anyone's edification.

I've been pushing for NorthCarolinaLiberty to be made a moderator for years.

 

[acptulsa]

Why do Republicans love shooting themselves in the foot so much? As if Democrats and the crooked ass election system aren't enough to deal with, they're insisting on, or these shills would have us believe they're bound and determined to be, nominating the bastard who created Operation Warp Speed.

People lost loved ones to that jab. They haven't forgotten. Republicans could reap that whirlwind in spades. All they have to do is nominate someone who had nothing to do with it.

They're so determined to shove Trump back down the lib's throats they going to try to shove him down the throats of huge swaths of independent voters who would otherwise be theirs, but will not forget that Trumpcine and will not forgive.

I can't imagine a better way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If I were running in these midterms I'd tell Trump to please kindly ignore me. I don't want to be for him or against him. I would want him out of it.

There's dumb, there's stupid, and then there's this. I don't know if there's a word for this level of stupidity.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Why do Republicans love shooting themselves in the foot so much? As if Democrats and the crooked ass election system aren't enough to deal with, they're insisting on, or these shills would have us believe they're bound and determined to be, nominating the bastard who created Operation Warp Speed.

People lost loved ones to that jab. They haven't forgotten. Republicans could reap that whirlwind in spades. All they have to do is nominate someone who had nothing to do with it.

They're so determined to shove Trump back down the lib's throats they going to try to shove him down the throats of huge swaths of independent voters who would otherwise be theirs, but will not forget that Trumpcine and will not forgive.

I can't imagine a better way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If I were running in these midterms I'd tell Trump to please kindly ignore me. I don't want to be for him or against him. I would want him out of it.

There's dumb, there's stupid, and then there's this. I don't know if there's a word for this level of stupidity.

To add to this, the Democrats are clearly going to do a complete 360 on the vaccines within the next two years and start calling them unsafe and dangerous. They are clearly setting Trump up to be responsible and the fall guy for the medical fallout. Then they'll use Biden's dementia ridden state as an excuse and a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why Biden had no idea the vaccines were dangerous.

 

[ClaytonB]

Trump still has enormous brand power and broad appeal not only in the US but internationally, as well. Supposing that Trump-the-man is so compromised in the eyes of his base, then it would still be absurd for the GOP to throw the baby out with the bathwater (pretend Trump never existed, which is what the McConnell RINOs and neocons are doing.) The fact that the RINO/neocons won't even consider the possibility of cooperating with Trump to get his backing/endorsement on a ticket shows what's really going on here. Remember Liz Cheney? Trump's picks have a habit of ... #WINNING. So, even if you go with the most tailor-made gaslighting conspiracy-theory explanation that Trump is a Democrat torpedo against the GOP, yada-yada-yada, you can't explain why the RINO/neocon dinosaurs who have a death-grip on the non-MAGA GOP, won't even work with Trump behind-the-scenes for a 2024 ticket that isn't Trump but with Trump's endorsement. Trump is simply Public Enemy #1 -- weapons-free, shoot-to-kill, all things Trump are to be shot-on-sight.

I'm trying to understand the logic behind your arguments and I can't even decode what your theory is beyond "Trump evil, Trump-go-away-forever."

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

To add to this, the Democrats are clearly going to do a complete 360 on the vaccines within the next two years and start calling them unsafe and dangerous. They are clearly setting Trump up to be responsible and the fall guy for the medical fallout. Then they'll use Biden's dementia ridden state as an excuse and a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why Biden had no idea the vaccines were dangerous.

I disagree. Vaccines won't be demonized. The next pandemic is around the corner. They want compliance. They want people on alert and tuned in so they know what to do and when to do it. They will never let this power get deteriorated by demonizing vaccines or CDC or WHO or any entity. After all it is about keeping you safe!