FBI 'raided' Mar-a-Lago

[TheTexan]

They are really doubling down on that claim that he had classified documents.

They sure will have egg on their faces when the National Declassification Center tells them that all those documents had been declassified before Trump left office. Even their own defenders in the media won't be able to refrain from asking the obvious question of, "Why didn't you check to see if the documents had been declassified before the raid?" I can't wait!

And then the next thing to happen after that is Trump will personally publicize the declassified documents, which he for some unknown reason never did prior to the raid, but which we need not question will be motivated by the good of the country.

Yes, and then Trump will win in 2024 and the first thing he's going to do is pardon the Jan 6 guys, just like he promised.

It's gonna be awesome

 

[Brian4Liberty]

...That will be determined by the courts, although there are probably some who are convinced the federal judiciary is full of commies who get their instructions on how to rule straight from Moscow or Beijing and that any decision against Trump is a violation of the Constitution, even though they don't know squat about the law.
...

Who’s to say which authoritarian-socialist-facist-crony-kleptocrat-commies make the decisions? Seems to be a bunch of deep staters and leftovers from the Obama Administration making the decisions in DC. They may consult with their Euro or Sino counterparts on many issues, but they are probably doing this all on their own.

There's no way an unredacted copy of the affidavit will be released (it's due to be released in a few minutes).

Oh yeah, redacted alright.

If uninformed folks want to conclude that the search was an overreach, so be it. But I suggest to you that (a) Trump's taking material (some of which was classified) that didn't belong to him, (b) his stonewalling the Archives for over a year in their attempts to get it back, and (c) the failure of less intrusive means to recover the material are consistent with the view that the search wasn't overreach.

Sure. Standard procedure. They do this to every ex-President.

If it wasn't mishandling of some papers, they could also raid his house to check the plumbing (and anything else they might find in the house). An insider testified that high flow shower heads and toilets were installed, against government regulations.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/RickyDoggin/status/1562998834317340673

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[TheTexan]

I love the unintended irony of this tweet

 

[Invisible Man]

Trump's lawyers are already on top of this. All they need to do is point out that all of that redacted information is freely available to anyone who does a FOIA request of the documents that Trump declassified.

 

[Occam's Banana]

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[Snowball]

Cited violations:
18 U.S.C. 793
18 U.S.C. 1519
18 U.S.C. 2071
44 U.S.C. 2201
44 U.S.C. 3301

184 unique documents bearing classification markings
67 documents marked as CONFIDENTIAL
92 documents marked as SECRET
25 documents marked as TOP SECRET
other documents marked as HCS, FISA, ORCON, NOFORM, and SI.
which means they typically contain NDI.
Handwritten notes

Multiple Locations on the premises

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/read-the-unsealed-redacted-mar-a-lago-affidavit-00053905

CONCLUSION
79. Based on the foregoing facts and circumstances, I submit that probable cause exists
to believe that evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, or other items illegally possessed in violation
18 U.S.C. §§ 793(e), 2071, or 1519 will be found at the PREMISES. Further, I submit that this
affidavit supports probable cause for a warrant to search the PREMISES described in Attachment
A and seize the items described in Attachment B.
REQUEST FOR SEALING
80. It is respectfully requested that this Court issue an order sealing, until further order
of the Court, all papers submitted in support of this application, including the application and
search warrant. I believe that sealing this document is necessary because the items and
information to be seized are relevant to an ongoing investigation and the FBI has not yet identified
all potential criminal confederates nor located all evidence related to its investigation. Premature
disclosure of the contents of this affidavit and related documents may have a significant and
negative impact on the continuing investigation and may severely jeopardize its effectiveness by
allowing criminal parties an opportunity to flee, destroy evidence (stored electronically and
otherwise), change patterns of behavior, and notify criminal confederates.

 

[Occam's Banana]

(h/t @Nate the Lawyer: https://twitter.com/NatetheLawyer/status/1563200198049878017)

 

[Snowball]

heavy stuff, I think he's done for.

If I had to bet money on it.

 

[TheTexan]

heavy stuff, I think he's done for.

If I had to bet money on it.

With so much redactions, at least one of those black bars are the nuclear codes imo

 

[Snowball]

With so much redactions, at least one of those black bars are the nuclear codes imo

Redaction is thoroughly justified and necessary.

He is in DEEP trouble. Really Bad.

 

[Dr.3D]

Seems they were looking for black bars.

 

[TheTexan]

Redaction is thoroughly justified and necessary.

He is in DEEP trouble. Really Bad.

Like so much trouble, like omg. Classified documents in his home? What was he thinking?

He's going to prison for a LONG time! Really Bad.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Redaction is thoroughly justified and necessary.

He is in DEEP trouble. Really Bad.

That’s what Karl Rove has been saying all morning.

 

[TheTexan]

The prison time is going to be huuuuge. The best prison time, you have no idea. The biggest ever, I have heard people say.

 

[Occam's Banana]

 

[dannno]

You say "uninformed". I have the same information that you do. We just choose to interpret in 2 different ways.

Because, again, we live in 2 different realities.

I used to think people in your reality were uninformed.

If I just provided them the right information they would come around to reason.

If I just presented the information in the right way they would come around to reason.

Nope.

It took many years to dispel myself of that notion.

You should do the same.

Expecting us to come to your point of view, will never happen, for the same reason.

2 different realities.

I have seen no indication than the President cannot declassify anything they want. The narrative about Trump taking classified material is not about being uninformed, it is about willful ignorance.

Sonny is one of those people, like most people, probably just about anybody, who would kill Hitler. A lot of people talk about killing baby Hitler, but c'mon, we don't need to be that crude. Didn't Hitler fight in WWI? How about going back to WWI and somebody is like, "hey, there is Adolph Hitler", and you are like "Oh, sweet! *BOOM*".

Most people would commit murder against Hitler to stop his atrocities. So of course they are going to be willing to lie, cheat in elections or use any sort of political manipulations they can. It's a far smaller use of force and doesn't come with the same consequences.

They are continually led to believe it will work, this time.

I wouldn't look at Sonny as some person who is coming here with an intellectually honest motive. I would look at them as somebody who is doing whatever they can do to further their agenda because they think they are stopping Hitler. Because CNN told them Trump is Hitler, so they are allowed to believe that.

Remember Trump's response to Trump University? He said he has not been an angel all his life, but he will use his skills and shrewdness that made him successful and he will use them for us.

Trump supporters believe that, and people who are against Trump believe he is Hitler.

So, Sonny.. Would you have killed Hitler if you had the chance? That's all we really need to know.

 

[Sonny Tufts]

I have seen no indication than the President cannot declassify anything they want.

With the exception of certain information dealing with nuclear technology (which a President cannot unilaterally declassify), no one's disputing Trump's authority to declassify. But with respect to the matrerials at Mar-a-Lago there's a lot of dispute about whether he actually did.

But the issue about whether the material was classified or not doesn't affect the fact that the stuff didn't belong to Trump. Under the Presidential Records Act the Archivist, not Trump, had the right and duty to possess and safeguard it. Moreover, the Archivist had the duty to "deposit all such Presidential records in a Presidential archival depository or another archival facility operated by the United States." But the fact that some of the material was classified bears on the seriousness of the situation and the need for a warrant when other less intrusive attempts to retrieve the stuff failed.


So the question remains: why did Trump take the classified materials to begin with and why did he resist their return?

I don't think Trump is Hitler. I think he's a not very bright narcissist who shares a talent with Hitler, Jim Jones, the folks at the Westboro Baptist Church, Jimmy Swaggart, Alex Jones, Mao, snake oil salesmen, and countless others: the ability to make people believe absolute B.S.

 

[dannno]

I don't think Trump is Hitler. I think he's a not very bright narcissist who shares a talent with Hitler, Jim Jones, the folks at the Westboro Baptist Church, Jimmy Swaggart, Alex Jones, Mao, snake oil salesmen, and countless others: the ability to make people believe absolute B.S.

How did you score on the Hoax quiz I posted?