[Edit] Flag Burning - Trump going after the first amendment

[phill4paul]

Hot Under The Blue Collar, Episode 11

Last night on the tee-vee, as I flicked back and forth between my most trusted sources of cable news, I saw a number a college students setting fire to the American flag. Some of the students said they were "angry." Others said they were "disgusted." But many others were anxious to explain why they had become “fearful” of the American Flag. Interesting.

At Hampshire College, The President, Jonathan Lash, has actually removed the flag from his campus, in response to students who expressed “fear and discomfort” when confronted by the sight of Old Glory. He offered this explanation: “Removing the flag permanently from our campus will better enable us to focus our efforts on addressing racist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, and anti-LGBTQ rhetoric and behaviors.”

As I dropped one of those giant round ice cubes into a tumbler of Whistle Pig, I couldn’t help but wonder if President Lash was unaware that billions of people around the world are routinely subjected to horrific levels of racism, misogyny, and bigotry that far exceed any injustice in modern-day America. Furthermore, I was curious to know if President Lash really believed that removing our flag is a better way to assuage the fears of his frightened students, than simply educating them about the undeniable fact that no country on the planet affords its citizens more liberty than this one? Finally, I found myself wondering as to why the President of Hampshire College would allow his students to pay for their tuition with federal dollars – federal dollars provided by the same government whose flag was no longer suitable to fly at his school.

Here’s the problem. Tuition at Hampshire College is about $60,000 a year. That’s not a problem because it’s expensive – it’s a problem because 85% of Hampshire students qualify for some form of federal financial aid. http://bit.ly/2gsZxnk. That means that We the People are enabling schools like Hampshire to sell a liberal arts degree for approximately $250,000. With $1.3 trillion dollars of student debt currently on the books, I found myself thinking how nice it would be to hear a more persuasive argument from those who will happily take money from a country whose flag they despise.

I turned the channel, and watched another group of students dance around another pile of burning flags at another expensive university. I couldn't tell where they were, but occurred to me that wherever they were – it probably wasn’t a trade school. To my knowledge, no one has ever burned a flag at a trade school.

I wonder why that is?

I have no idea, but the thought reminded me that I had yet to post Episode 11 of Hot Under the Blue Collar. It features a graduate from one of those schools – a guy named Scott. Scott studied to be an electrician, and his comments, though not nearly as expensive as Daniel’s, are far more… illuminating?

Carry on,
and don’t play with matches.
Mike

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/videos/1349438011733005/?pnref=story

 

[devil21]

And why does nobody point out that trump's Chief of Staff made all his fortune at Goldman Sachs and then was slipped smoothly into a thought leader position after the mysterious death of somebody who knew too much? Bannon went from Goldman Sachs to website editor to presidential appointee without a hiccup. Somebody has the savvy to cause a flag-burning uproar on the day Goldman Sachs & Rothschilds take over. And it's not trump.

Not just website editor but big cheese (ahem) at Breitbart, whose original owner mysteriously suddenly died (ahem again...after making "cheesy" statements on camera about certain bigwigs....reminiscent of Russert's fate after asking Kerry and Bush about S&B on MTP). Subversion is the name of the game.

 

[otherone]

I've decided my symbol of choice to display will be the Gadsden flag. I considered an upside down old glory, but I'm not really interested in making national news. I just want people to leave me the f alone.

 

[jmdrake]

If the only punishment is losing citizenship, this could actually effectively provide a much easier, cheaper, and hassle-free alternative method of renouncing US citizenship (and thus losing US tax liability)!

That would be great! A big help to many people!

You realize that non citizens pay taxes too right? I'm not talking illegal immigrants. People here on H1B visas, for example, pay taxes just like everyone else. If this laughable idea were to pass the gubmint would come up with a "Native born, tax paying but has no rights American" categor to put them in. Hell be 18 and have sex with a 16 year od and you are practically a taxpaying non-citizen. You can't vote. You can't get a job. You can't even have your door open on Halloween. But the gubmint still gonna git its (your) money.

 

[jmdrake]

I've decided my symbol of choice to display will be the Gadsden flag. I considered an upside down old glory, but I'm not really interested in making national news. I just want people to leave me the f alone. I LOVE my privacy. I put a Ron Paul 2012 sign at the end of my driveway. I was getting sick of the DEMONkRATS thinking the last owners (obvious DEMONkRATS) still lived here.

This should be the new official flag of RPF.

 

[jmdrake]

Then good for you. But this is a reply to violence perpetuated against Trump people. It is for OP and those like him.

And when Michelle Obama becomes president she won't use some version of this law against Tea partiers. Trump is the deliberate dumbing down of the liberty movement.

 

[jmdrake]

I could care less about flag burning. The reality is that the country is split and we are on a collision course for bad times. We don't even know who will win. But I like Trump's side and I like their chances under his leadership.

And who's side is Trump really on and which flag is he going to protect? Thiis is what conservatives think they are getting with team Trump.

This is what they are really getting.

and this....

Team Trump is sellots supporting a sellout. Alex Jones is the worst at this point. Now AJ is pimping Bilderberg supporters of Trump as proof that Trump is pro liberty. BIzarro world.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

You realize that non citizens pay taxes too right? I'm not talking illegal immigrants. People here on H1B visas, for example, pay taxes just like everyone else. If this laughable idea were to pass the gubmint would come up with a "Native born, tax paying but has no rights American" categor to put them in. Hell be 18 and have sex with a 16 year od and you are practically a taxpaying non-citizen. You can't vote. You can't get a job. You can't even have your door open on Halloween. But the gubmint still gonna git its (your) money.

OK, I guess it wasn't just TheCount.

My comment was meant to be humorous, tongue-in-cheek. The process it refers to is officially renouncing US citizenship. This does indeed eliminate the special tax liability faced by US citizens, namely that the U.S. government continues to obnoxiously claim that you owe them taxes even if you are living abroad and have no US income! They tax your Swiss income that you earned entirely in Switzerland, or Chinese income, or Lesothoan income -- they don't care. Renouncing is the only way to legally escape. This is what Facebook co-founder What's-His-Face did, and moved to Singapore, as a prominent example.

It can be a lengthy, costly, and tedious process, though. If one could simply burn a flag instead, that would be an incredible shortcut and better by 1000 times! Again, this was meant as a joke, and some did get it and enjoy the humor, but it was kind of an inside joke, it's true. Sorry for the confusion!

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Team Trump is sellots supporting a sellout. Alex Jones is the worst at this point. Now AJ is pimping Bilderberg supporters of Trump as proof that Trump is pro liberty. BIzarro world.

Fortunately for me I stopped listening to AJ 10 years ago after he called me a "communist" on his talk show. He's just another performer trying to increase his paycheck (which is certainly within his rights)...

 

[jllundqu]

Good dialogue.


Tucker Carlson vs. Flag Burner (11/29/2016)

Tucker is a moron. He doesn't understand basic individual liberty and he insults his guests.

 

[goldenequity]

The construct teaches the viewers regardless.

 

[Ender]

It is not my graphic; however, it does have significance because clearly Killary lies more than she tells the truth. Ergo,m how can one tell when the Clintons are lying?

Answer: When their lips are moving.

Same with Trump, my friend, same with Trump.

 

[JK/SEA]

Same with Trump, my friend, same with Trump.

lying is bad. We shouldn't promote liars....

next.

 

[silverhandorder]

Did all of you purist ever think that all the liberty people leaving you behind are the ones who are right? At some point you have to turn on your brain and give up on strategies that do not work.

 

[Ender]

Did all of you purist ever think that all the liberty people leaving you behind are the ones who are right? At some point you have to turn on your brain and give up on strategies that do not work.

Oohhhhh...... you mean like tweeting that flag-burners should go to jail or lose their citizenship? THAT kind of "strategy"?

How 'Murikan of you to agree.

And stop with the name-calling- it does nothing to advance people to your mindset.

 

[Ender]

lying is bad. We shouldn't promote liars....

next.

Mirror?

 

[JK/SEA]

Mirror?

never voted for a liar Ender?..

 

[silverhandorder]

Oohhhhh...... you mean like tweeting that flag-burners should go to jail or lose their citizenship? THAT kind of "strategy"?

How 'Murikan of you to agree.

And stop with the name-calling- it does nothing to advance people to your mindset.

You are an idiot. If you want respect show it first. Murican... Is name calling.

 

[Ender]

You are an idiot. If you want respect show it first. Murican... Is name calling.

Ahhh.... says he who has called names from the beginning. And no one called you 'Murican- it just seems a way of life here.

 

[Ender]

never voted for a liar Ender?..

Not unless Ron Paul is a liar.