[Edit] Flag Burning - Trump going after the first amendment

[Dr.3D]

Yes , it has a certain flair like that .

Yes, it certainly makes a statement.

 

[Ender]

Yes, it certainly makes a statement.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

This is a strange tweet out of nowhere. Morning Joe was speculating that last 5-4 SCOTUS ruling of 1989 could be overtturned by Trump SCOTUS picks.

Seems unlikely to pass anytime soon. One theory was that he is throwing redmeat to his hardcore GOP base (many of whom see BLM and by extension Obama as "flag burners") just before he announces that Romney will be SoS.


Real:

Doctored:

 

[asurfaholic]

People didn't vote for Trump because he tells the truth. They wanted somebody they hoped would be "different". They are in for a big disappointment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-than-all-the-other-2016-candidates-combined/

"Of the 158 Trump claims that PolitiFact has checked out, 95 have been rated either "False" or "Pants on Fire." That's 60 percent of all Trump claims."

To be fair, that is NOT 60% of all trump claims. That is 60% of what PolitiFact has checked. They could easily skew opinions with little dishonest statements like that.

I believe the % number is actually much higher

 

[Weston White]

Oh yea, PolitiFact is definitely bipartisan, bollocks:

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I understand it far better then you. I understand that your strategy is the one that lost to precious snowflakes that Trump is destroying.

Lol a Trumpslurper pretending they know Liberty better than Gunny. That's hilarious.

 

[ProBlue33]

It should be legal to burn the flag and save the first amendment of freedom, I would just add a protection based law which says American citizens also have the right to stop it too. Assault charges when videoed of a person trying to stop it are void, if people have to risk their safety to do it, then they will be less likely to do it.

 

[Cleaner44]

Trump is wrong on this, and I am not, nor have I ever been a loony-left.

Agree. I remember when Republicans were stupid about flag burning in the late 1980s. To me it is very simple, the flag is supposed to stand for freedom and that includes the freedom to criticize the president or even burn the flag. If a person isn't free to burn a flag then it really is a meaningless symbol.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Personally I do not believe in flag burning , but people can do it if they have nothing more productive to do , it is certainly a wasteful act that will change nothing . Once I secede and defeat all comers and have my own Empire I do not even intend on having a flag. Maybe just a battle flag , then people will know when they see it they are going to be kicked to the dirt, LOL . That is how to make The Land Of Indians Great Again

This may be the best post you have ever written! My favorite, anyway.

Your Empire sounds like it will be The place to be -- how do I get citizenship?

 

[phill4paul]

Personally I do not believe in flag burning , but people can do it if they have nothing more productive to do , it is certainly a wasteful act that will change nothing . Once I secede and defeat all comers and have my own Empire I do not even intend on having a flag. Maybe just a battle flag , then people will know when they see it they are going to be kicked to the dirt, LOL . That is how to make The Land Of Indians Great Again

 

[undergroundrr]

It's absolutely no coincidence this junk was posted to Twitter the same day Trump meets with Goldman, ostensibly being told who his SecTreas will be and appointing a billionaire SecCommerce (also a Goldman directive, I'm sure...from CNBC article: "Before starting his own firm, Wilbur Ross led Rothschild's bankruptcy practice for 25 years.").

And why does nobody point out that trump's Chief of Staff made all his fortune at Goldman Sachs and then was slipped smoothly into a thought leader position after the mysterious death of somebody who knew too much? Bannon went from Goldman Sachs to website editor to presidential appointee without a hiccup. Somebody has the savvy to cause a flag-burning uproar on the day Goldman Sachs & Rothschilds take over. And it's not trump.

 

[tod evans]

Freedom means something different to every person, just as the flag does.

The older I get the more I tend to look to history to help me define things.

It seems as though the here and now is fraught with too much drama from every faction.

In regards to the OP, this whole thread just seems like more drama to me given that flag burnin' has been addressed by the supreme court, quite recently in fact.

Might be a better use of time to question the cause of derision instead of some intimate object used to amplify said derision...

If flag burners upset Trump to the point he really wants to do something about it using his bully pulpit would be far more effective than trying to legislate.

 

[jllundqu]

I served in the military. I hold the flag as a symbol of my country, not of my government. I don't care if someone burns it. But I most definitely care if some authoritarian claims that he has the power to strip citizenship or throw in a cage the person who wants to do what they want with a flag. Rothbard already summed this up as a straight property rights debate.

Keeping our eye on property rights, the entire flag question is resolved easily and instantly. Everyone has the right to buy (or weave) and therefore own a piece of cloth in the shape and design of an American flag (or in any other design) and to do with it what he will: fly it, burn it, defile it, bury it, put it in the closet, wear it, etc. Flag laws are unjustifiable violations of the rights of private property. (Constitutionally, there are many clauses from which private property rights can be derived.)

On the other hand, no one has the right to come up and burn your flag, or someone else's. That should be illegal, not because a flag is being burned, but because the arsonist is burning your property without your permission. He is violating your property rights.

Note the way in which the focus on property rights solves all recondite issues. Perhaps conservatives, who proclaim themselves defenders of property rights, will be moved to reconsider their support of its invasion. On the other hand, perhaps liberals, scorners of property rights, might be moved to consider that cleaving to them may be the only way, in the long run, to insure freedom of speech and press.

https://mises.org/library/flag-flap

Anyone who thinks throwing someone in jail for exercising their property rights is a moron and an enemy of liberty.... shitposters on RPF included.

h/t [MENTION=40014]Origanalist[/MENTION] via twitter

 

[Danke]

I served in the military. I hold the flag as a symbol of my country, not of my government. I don't care if someone burns it. But I most definitely care if some authoritarian claims that he has the power to strip citizenship or throw in a cage the person who wants to do what they want with a flag. Rothbard already summed this up as a straight property rights debate.



https://mises.org/library/flag-flap

Anyone who thinks throwing someone in jail for exercising their property rights is a moron and an enemy of liberty.... shitposters on RPF included.

h/t @Origanalist via twitter

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...st-amendment&p=6373526&viewfull=1#post6373526

 

[jllundqu]

It should be legal to burn the flag and save the first amendment of freedom, I would just add a protection based law which says American citizens also have the right to stop it too. Assault charges when videoed of a person trying to stop it are void, if people have to risk their safety to do it, then they will be less likely to do it.

What the hell are you talking about? Private property is private! If I want to buy a US flag or Russian flag or Mexican flag and take it outside and burn it... my fucking choice and no one is going to stop me! If someone forcibly attempts to stop me and it gets violent? Fuck them. God a lot of people here still don't understand the very basics of personal liberty and freedom. You want government to be your strongman....

 

[oyarde]

That is what I use . Flag burning is for kids .

 

[TheCount]

Oh yea, PolitiFact is definitely bipartisan, bollocks:

Are you really disputing the fact that Trump says a ton of complete, unmitigated bullshit that has no basis in reality?

 

[fcreature]

Oh yea, PolitiFact is definitely bipartisan, bollocks:

Your graphic has zero meaning.

There is the possibility that Trump did say more lies than Hillary. In order for your graphic to have any meaning we would actually need a baseline to compare it to.

 

[ARealConservative]

I understand it far better then you. I understand that your strategy is the one that lost to precious snowflakes that Trump is destroying.

your lack of understanding of property rights is pathetic.

 

[JK/SEA]

would taking down a flag in front of a post office and burning it be ok?..