Earth is 9,000 years old, says Rep. Paul Broun, who sits on House Science Committee (start

[acptulsa]

Well, you know, when you give the funding of scientific research over to the government, crap like this happens. But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is when crap like this happens:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...h-by-scientists-and-doctors&highlight=science

Why do I consider that worse? Because...:

"It ain't what we don't know that hurts us, it's what we 'know' that ain't so."--Will Rogers

So, bring on the creationists, the flat earthers, the proponents of the Crystalline Sphere. Maybe if they piss off enough nanny staters, the nanny staters will support decoupling science from government, and we'll get fewer scientific proofs of why we need to kick the world's asses (or, at the very least, fewer scientific proofs that useless weapon systems are useful).

 

[Cowlesy]

By the way, guess who else hates on Paul Broun (and Ron Paul, and Judge Napolitano)


hxxp://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/summer/meet-the-patriots/the-enablers

 

[Dr.3D]

I have to look at a couple factors. One is Newton's Law of thermodynamics. Until this is ever proven wrong I have to believe it (the universe) always was and always will be. Second C = 299,792,458 m/s. If we know stars/light we are seeing from the hubble telescope (as an example) is billions of years old we know it took billions of years to get here. We can easily view an age to the universe far greater then 9,000 year. Now that does not mean much in considering the age of the earth, but because we can see these things. See them in action it gives us clues. We can search for clues here on Earth. Nothing demonstrates an age of 9,000 years except one stopping to do anymore research past 9,000 years.

It only appears that light is billions of years old. This is because time as we are measuring it passes much slower compared to time when the universe was young and much smaller and time passed much faster.

Again I will say, trying to measure time in an expanding universe is no way to discover the age of the universe. You are trying to do something much the same as measuring with a rubber band.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Is it more logical to believe that the Universe simply exists, or that it had a Creator? The former.
If there is a Creator, is it logical to believe He/She/It takes an active role in humanity's affairs? Absolutely not.
Is it logical, to believe an omnipotent omniscient deity cares about a barbaric primate species that only obtained sentience relatively recently? Nope.

On, I see. It's just your opinion. When I asked you why Christianity wasn't logical, I thought I was going to get an argument that could be followed, not simply your opinion on what's "more logical".

 

[Dr.3D]

Can't watch videos out this way unfortunately.

I have found a web page by the person (Gerald Schroeder) speaking in that video and it explains what is in the video pretty well.
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/AgeUniverse.aspx

 

[angelatc]

I can agree with you on this voting which was good!

although, digressing a bit, it seems that Todd Akin, who is also on the House Science committee, recently claimed that
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81960.html


This guy on the science committee and thinks that women who are raped don't get pregnant :o

What type of science did these guys study?

Oh be quiet. Akin is roughly my age, and when we were in school we were taught that in 8th grade biology class. Apparently he didn't keep up with the change in medical thought. I'm not going to do your homework, but the theory was widely accepted in the medical community back in the day.

Fucking liberal bullshit - government by self-righteous intellectuals is not the answer I am looking for.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I'll take a Paul Broun who believes that stuff and votes against the renewal of the Patriot Act over some latte-sipping big government activist every single time.

He's a Bircher, so I have respect for him.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

There is also a Dr. Art Robinson who would agree with Dr. Paul Broun.

He is also a signer of A Scientific Dissent of Darwinism, which is a petition authored by the Discovery Institute that asserts natural selection cannot be responsible for the complexity of life.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Art_Robinson

 

[Sola_Fide]

There is also a Dr. Art Robinson who would agree with Dr. Paul Broun.

He is also a signer of A Scientific Dissent of Darwinism, which is a petition authored by the Discovery Institute that asserts natural selection cannot be responsible for the complexity of life.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Art_Robinson

^^^Another reason to support Art. Love that guy.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

Ron Paul doesn't believe in evolution. I don't either. I'm a scientist by the way and do my job very well. So what?

Most scientists think we're all just really smart monkeys. I don't believe this and neither does Ron Paul.

Most scientists believe the universe exploded out of nothingness. I don't believe this and neither does Ron Paul.

This kind of stuff really shouldn't matter to someone who's in government. I don't even know why we have a house science committee anyway.

It scares me that you're kind of propping up RP like a deity.

 

[erowe1]

John Hostettler is also a young earth creationist.

 

[Brett85]

He's exactly right, except that it might be more like 10,000 years old. I love Paul Broun. He's probably the 4th best member of the house.

 

[ShaneEnochs]

I was a preacher at one point in my life, and I never, ever preached creationism. I did, however, preach Intelligent Design. I showed pictures taken from Hubble and used scripture to show how awesome the universe is, and in turn how awesome the Creator is.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I was a preacher at one point in my life, and I never, ever preached creationism. I did, however, preach Intelligent Design. I showed pictures taken from Hubble and used scripture to show how awesome the universe is, and in turn how awesome the Creator is.

That's interesting. What denomination? Did you ever preach through the book of Genesis?

 

[ShaneEnochs]

That's interesting. What denomination? Did you ever preach through the book of Genesis?

Non demoninational. Church of christ, to be exact. However, after a few sermons they didn't invite me back, mainly because the last sermon I gave was about who put the final version of the Bible together. You can't be afraid of truth. It'll set you free.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Non demoninational. Church of christ, to be exact. However, after a few sermons they didn't invite me back, mainly because the last sermon I gave was about who put the final version of the Bible together. You can't be afraid of truth. It'll set you free.

What did you say about the final version?

 

[erowe1]

Non demoninational. Church of christ, to be exact. However, after a few sermons they didn't invite me back, mainly because the last sermon I gave was about who put the final version of the Bible together. You can't be afraid of truth. It'll set you free.

I didn't even know there was a final version of the Bible. Who did put it together?

 

[Dr.3D]

I didn't even know there was a final version of the Bible. Who did put it together?

Neither did I.
I know of at least five translations being worked on right now.

The following are still in the process of being translated:

World English Bible
Modern American Standard Version
David Robert Palmer Translation
The Free Bible
Open English Bible

Edit: Oops... perhaps he was talking about the final canon?

 

[Sola_Fide]

I didn't even know there was a final version of the Bible. Who did put it together?

St. Snuffleupagus?



Forgive me...

 

[carclinic]

Not being a scientist and not feeling compelled to read Genesis as science, as it was never intended to be read that way, I don't have an issue believing the universe is by our present measurements tons of years old.

However, humor yourself with this thought: if there is an all powerful God who can perform miracles (after all, He raised Himself from the dead), why can't that same God create the universe with all the hallmarks of greater age then it really has? If God created the rules that govern existence (i.e. physics) He can simply break and manipulate them at a whim. (Read into the theological construct of "occasionalism.")


Now, why on earth would God make dinosaur fossils and stars that we can deduce to be billions of years old, I don't know. We don't have a good reason. But, if one believes in a God that can perform miracles then there is no doubting that He could do it if He wanted to.


The same is true as to why would God create a race in His image, knowingly give them the capacity to sin, and then condemn all to punishment only to simply and seemingly arbitrarily show favor to a few, forgiving their sins by grace giving them the ability to have faith in Him. After all, God created all mankind, and made their nature and circumstances that they all stand condemned. He could have grace on all mankind if He wants to.

He does not. That's a much more important question (which the Bible DOES answer) then whether the earth is 9,000 years old or not.

God can do whatever He wants.