DON'T BE DISCOURAGED! The Real Campaign Hasn't Yet Begun

[LibertyRevolution]

The word "Republican" next to Ron Pauls name only HURTS him. NO ONE IS VOTING FOR A REPUBLICAN AFTER WHAT BUSH DID. Why do you think they keep asking him in the debates if he is running for the wrong party? Do you think its to convince people that he is a Libertarian? WRONG its to convince the majority of the population that RON PAUL is a REPUBLICAN, to hurt him in a 3rd party run...

 

[colecrowe]

Ron Paul said that he will continue to run as long as he continues to get support: canvassing and financing. He's not stupid. He will be able to see when continuing to run Republican will be a futile waste. Then if he has the support he mentioned, he will have to keep going. Key points:

1. A brokered convention is not going to happen.

2. Canvassing is done for in half the states as of now, unless he goes iNDY. If he goes iNDY, on the other hand, we would have 8 months to canvass and get 200,000 plus precinct captains.

3. ...:

my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run.

 

[affa]

The way I look at it if I vote indy/libertarian/3p it's -1 vote against republicans.... if I vote dem it's -2 votes for republicans. I'd rather punish the repubs double. The dems will win in a landslide, this is unstoppable.

And when Obama/Clinton take away all our guns, increase taxes, force mediocre health care on us and force us more to the center in socialist programs and tax us to death.... and when they stop the war in Iraq and it becomes a non-issue for republicans, they will all cry for a conservative and a ron paul republican will emerge as our next president in 2012.

I just want to make one small observation. Back in 2004, I almost wanted Bush to win because he would make the farce so obvious and open up the opportunity for someone like Ron Paul. And this is exactly what happened, except we're still fighting tooth and nail for it.

Please don't fall victim to the 'well, in 4 years we can fix it' mentality. It never works out the way we want. Treat it as a now or never situation - because seriously, we should not count on having the kind of momentum Bush created for us again.

 

[colecrowe]

Thank you for the good, reasoned post. Great info. But I disagree with you saying that we will lose "substantial support". We don't have substantial support. We have like 8% support--at the VERY most (average it out--and be realistic--you will agree it's 8% at the very most--and it's way too late for a brokered convention).

I disagree and don't think we get support mainly from christian/republican types--I think that is unique to your experience--and besides, that ground obviously isn't that fertile compared to other, broader ground--just look at our results, even in Michigan, your example. But, also, I absolutely have never thought we would get our support from pot smokers, truthers, etc.

Our support comes, and will come in a HUGE way if we go iNDY, from people who are anti-war, pro-constitution, and most importantly TIRED OF BEING LIED TO, TIRED OF LOBBYISTS, AND HUNGRY FOR THE TYPE OF STATESMAN ONLY RON PAUL IS.

People will vote for Ron Paul for his record that is so amazing, and so different, even if they disagree with some of his stances. Proof: The same exact thing made me, my wife, my father-in-law, father, grandpa-in-law, and on and on (including many family members I never proselytized to!) choose Paul: HIS HONESTY--the fact that he's not a "politician" like ALL the others. Once they hear that he has never gotten lobbyist money, never changed his stances, AND ONCE THEY HEAR HIM SPEAK, they are hooked.

But not the GOP sheep--the pro Iraq war types. That is why we have to get out of the GOP.

If we go iNDY, we will also get all the anti-war GOPers. Plus, we might get more GOPers than that if McCain is the nominee--because of immigration and character (he cheated on his wife and is married to his mistress now).

Plus, we haven't got to capitalize on running anti-war ads, especially with veterans in them supporting him. We need to make a much bigger deal about the amazing amount of money he raised from military members (more than all the Republicans put together) in ads, etc.

We also haven't capitalized on his being an Obstetrician for 30 years, and so much more. His name recognition is extremely dismal--we need a fresh start with exposure in every state--not just those left in the GOP race.

A note of caution about this thread.


I've done A LOT of work for the campaign in Michigan and have met many different supporters. I can say with certainty that in Michigan, the majority of Ron Paul supporters are Republicans or disaffected Republicans. The majority are also Christians.

These boards are NOT representative of who is voting for us.

I'd estimate (from Michigan) we have about 65% of some type of Republicans making up our voters and about 75% Christians. The number of truthers that support Ron Paul is also very low I'd estimate about 10 to 15 percent. Again this is from my experience in Michigan.

If you looked at these forums, you'd think the majority were liberal atheists, and that may well be true about these forums, but now out in the real world.

I'd also like to add there are major discrepancies between the average Ron Paul voter and the "hardcore supporters"

Atheists, marijuana activists, peace activists, and truthers make up a disproportionate part of our "hardcore" supporters.

This is all very important and you need to think about the big picture. If we run independent, you can expect everyone on the forums and all the hardcore supporters to still supporter Ron Paul, but we're going to lose a substantial chunk of our base. If you think that people who already vote for Ron Paul won't vote for the Republican nominee, you haven't been talking enough to our casual voters, and believe me we have MANY of them.

 

[familydog]

Thank you for the good, reasoned post. Great info. But I disagree with you saying that we will lose "substantial support". We don't have substantial support. We have like 8% support--at the VERY most (average it out--and be realistic--you will agree it's 8% at the very most--and it's way too late for a brokered convention).

I disagree and don't think we get support mainly from christian/republican types--I think that is unique to your experience--and besides, that ground obviously isn't that fertile compared to other, broader ground--just look at our results, even in Michigan, your example. But, also, I absolutely have never thought we would get our support from pot smokers, truthers, etc.

Our support comes, and will come in a HUGE way if we go iNDY, from people who are anti-war, pro-constitution, and most importantly TIRED OF BEING LIED TO, TIRED OF LOBBYISTS, AND HUNGRY FOR THE TYPE OF STATESMAN ONLY RON PAUL IS.

People will vote for Ron Paul for his record that is so amazing, and so different, even if they disagree with some of his stances. Proof: The same exact thing made me, my wife, my father-in-law, father, grandpa-in-law, and on and on (including many family members I never proselytized to!) choose Paul: HIS HONESTY--the fact that he's not a "politician" like ALL the others. Once they hear that he has never gotten lobbyist money, never changed his stances, AND ONCE THEY HEAR HIM SPEAK, they are hooked.

But not the GOP sheep--the pro Iraq war types. That is why we have to get out of the GOP.

If we go iNDY, we will also get all the anti-war GOPers. Plus, we might get more than that if McCain is the nominee--because of immigration and character (he cheated on his wife and is married to his mistress now).

Can't these rabid pro-indy people privide some sort of evidence to back up these claims? Because your family have seen the light, means it will be the same all across the America?

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Can't these rabid pro-indy people privide some sort of evidence to back up these claims? Because your family have seen the light, means it will be the same all across the America?

Stop trolling against Ron, familydog. If you don't want to support Ron's independent run, then don't bother us.

 

[DeafEric]

There are a lot of people trying to kill the conservative movement. Look I'm not being down on Ron Paul, on the contrary I support him 100% after today. But not as a presidential candidate. I think we've run as far as we can, we don't have the media on our side, the people have been far too brainwashed and are just uneducated sheep unfortunately, and the establishment forces against us are just too great.

But that doesn't mean Ron Paul can't achieve many more victories, and those that follow in his footsteps can't achieve greatness and retake this party. And he doesn't even need to just focus on reforming the republican party, he can help/advise/endorse many other candidates of all party affiliations.

The point is, I support liberty 100% in any form it comes in, but I just hope Paul gracefully bows out and vows to keep this base together and continue this fight for when conservatives are ready for a change.

Blah Blah Blah all you can say but the main and most critical point is that you voted Obama. What that means? You just committed suicide and encourages the politics to kill and or oppress us. It is not hard to stand up for what you believe therefore you need to vote for Ron Paul. We don't need to hear your explanations or bullshit excuses for not voting Ron Paul. If you believe in Ron Paul and yet you don't vote for him. That is called double standard and you are a pure certificated bullshit traitor.

 

[WATYF]

I will not support an independent run. I hope Ron Paul launches a new organization and spearheads the revitalization of the conservative movement.

Agreed.


WATYF

 

[colecrowe]

The people who never provide evidence are the "go down with the GOP ship" folks. Unless your evidence is the horrible returns in half the states, the lack of growth of Paul's numbers, results, and fundraising over the last month within the GOP (just about everybody that votes for him has to register Republican). and some faith in a now-impossible dream of a brokered convention.

Check out this poll: Already Republican or only did so for Ron Paul? : http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1197657

Can't these rabid pro-indy people privide some sort of evidence to back up these claims? Because your family have seen the light, means it will be the same all across the America?

 

[familydog]

Stop trolling against Ron, familydog. If you don't want to support Ron's independent run, then don't bother us.

Thanks for proving my point, friend.

 

[frasu]

Ron has not been able to reveal his true plan, because he was running in the GOP primary, in order to give the party one last chance, and in order to build up a movement like this one!

C'mon now... true plan? billionaire? media blitz? secret plan?

As I am part of this movement and I fought hard to get his name out, all I want is to continue. All I'm asking, revise the official strategy... As the campaign is frugal with the money. the grassroots is being generous and maybe spending more than it should... We are running all over the place and NOT being efficient. I hate this parallel campaign. You can't run a campaign with secret goals if you start killing your grassroots...

Please don't fall victim to the 'well, in 4 years we can fix it' mentality. It never works out the way we want. Treat it as a now or never situation - because seriously, we should not count on having the kind of momentum Bush created for us again.

+1

 

[Laja]

bump

 

[born2drv]

Blah Blah Blah all you can say but the main and most critical point is that you voted Obama. What that means? You just committed suicide and encourages the politics to kill and or oppress us. It is not hard to stand up for what you believe therefore you need to vote for Ron Paul. We don't need to hear your explanations or bullshit excuses for not voting Ron Paul. If you believe in Ron Paul and yet you don't vote for him. That is called double standard and you are a pure certificated bullshit traitor.

Listen here you peon troll. I'm not some noob like you. I've donated a lot of money, effort and time into this campaign. I support the ron paul revolution movement, not this or that presidential campaign. I could really care less who is elected President at this point in time. What we need now is organization not division. If the movement is strongest with a presidential campaign so be it, I will support it. However if it's better served by Ron Paul or whomever trying to bring about reform in the republican party by other means or 3p or whatever then I will support that too.

Bottom line is we're not going to get the republican nomination, it's just not going to happen due to all the sheep and MSM. Ron Paul is the wisest of the bunch but he's not the most charismatic person either and that's what MSM and sheep look for unfortunately. But he's opened a lot of eyes, made a lot of progress, and made the GOP take notice, and it's my hope he and the rest of us stick around to battle it out for the long haul.

The real crybaby's and wannabe's such as yourself will leave and pout why Ron Paul didn't win and the media was never fair to him. Meanwhile people like myself will continue to carry on this message, fund/support those running for congress as ron paul republicans, and will fight on.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Listen here you peon troll. I'm not some noob like you. I've donated a lot of money, effort and time into this campaign. I support the ron paul revolution movement, not this or that presidential campaign. I could really care less who is elected President at this point in time. What we need now is organization not division. If the movement is strongest with a presidential campaign so be it, I will support it. However if it's better served by Ron Paul or whomever trying to bring about reform in the republican party by other means or 3p or whatever then I will support that too.

Bottom line is we're not going to get the republican nomination, it's just not going to happen due to all the sheep and MSM. Ron Paul is the wisest of the bunch but he's not the most charismatic person either and that's what MSM and sheep look for unfortunately. But he's opened a lot of eyes, made a lot of progress, and made the GOP take notice, and it's my hope he and the rest of us stick around to battle it out for the long haul.

The real crybaby's and wannabe's such as yourself will leave and pout why Ron Paul didn't win and the media was never fair to him. Meanwhile people like myself will continue to carry on this message, fund/support those running for congress as ron paul republicans, and will fight on.

I agree with you that it's lame to blame the media. The blame goes to the sheep and the party bosses in the GOP.

But what you are arguing for is nothing different than the Libertarian and Constitution Parties have been doing for decades. It doesn't work.

We need a central figure and an election to rally around. Ron is that man.

 

[born2drv]

I just want to make one small observation. Back in 2004, I almost wanted Bush to win because he would make the farce so obvious and open up the opportunity for someone like Ron Paul. And this is exactly what happened, except we're still fighting tooth and nail for it.

Please don't fall victim to the 'well, in 4 years we can fix it' mentality. It never works out the way we want. Treat it as a now or never situation - because seriously, we should not count on having the kind of momentum Bush created for us again.

Hi Affa,

I understand what you're saying but I respectfully disagree. We will have the opportunity again. Bush has pushed the republicans more to socialism. The already socialist dems are moving towards communism. Eventually people will have enough of these 2 and want a more limited government again. I think republicans will have to feel some socialized pain before they're ready for a Goldwater/Paul type leader.

 

[born2drv]

I agree with you that it's lame to blame the media. The blame goes to the sheep and the party bosses in the GOP.

But what you are arguing for is nothing different than the Libertarian and Constitution Parties have been doing for decades. It doesn't work.

We need a central figure and an election to rally around. Ron is that man.

Ron is the man. To be honest I don't know what the solution is. Do we support the libertarian party? Do we wait for the republicans to self-destruct? I'm hoping Paul makes the path a little more clear in the coming weeks before his base erodes. I hope he has a plan to bring about change in this country with or without the presidency.

Look at Howard Dean. OK he's no ron paul by any means. But he's now the chairman of the DNC and has some significance in the democratic party. Paul is much bigger then Dean ever was. He can lead this GOP if we help him.

 

[New Governor Of Alaska]

THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MayTheRonBeWithYou, check this thread out - Ron Paul Can Win!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113752

Just a thought.

Hillary gets Democratic nod.

"Change" folks backing Obama come to our camp.

McCain gets the republican nod.

Conservative Repulblicans come to our camp.

Any thoughts?

 

[WATYF]

Ron is the man. To be honest I don't know what the solution is. Do we support the libertarian party? Do we wait for the republicans to self-destruct? I'm hoping Paul makes the path a little more clear in the coming weeks before his base erodes. I hope he has a plan to bring about change in this country with or without the presidency.

Look at Howard Dean. OK he's no ron paul by any means. But he's now the chairman of the DNC and has some significance in the democratic party. Paul is much bigger then Dean ever was. He can lead this GOP if we help him.

I think we wait for the Republican party to self-destruct.

People are hard-headed. Once they take a position (no matter how unfounded) it usually takes a very strong blow to the head for them to change their position (and sometimes even that doesn't work).

They need to see their bad decisions produce drastically bad results in order for them to finally accept that this big-government, preemptive-war, entitlement-happy version of the Republican party is a horrible mistake.


WATYF

 

[Mark]

I'm not going anywhere I still support this movement, I just don't think Paul will be anywhere near effective as a 3rd party, independent or libertarian candidate. The people are not ready for him, and he's not some multi-billionaire. I think he needs to concentrate on reforming the republican party. This is what he has said all along and I support him in this endeavor 100% and all those that are sure to follow in his footsteps... but in the REPUBLICAN party. Unfortunately this is the system we have and it's not going to change anytime soon.

We had Wake county precinct delegate meetings last night. (The capital of North Carolina, Raleigh, is in Wake County)

I became a precinct delegate with no need for a vote.

There was only 1 other person in my precinct and he wasn't really interested in being a delegate.

There were about 18-19 people there, Ron Paul won the straw poll by 2 votes.


It's CRITICAL for everyone to go to these delegate meetings! Delegate positions went UNFILLED in my precinct and others.

There appears to be little interest in details such as being active at the organizing level in the Republican party.


EVERYONE needs to get involved locally and we can TAKE OVER the Republican Party!


The District Chairman mentioned to me that he has been trying TO NO AVAIL to get people involved.


He said that he became involved last year and noticed an opportunity to make an influence
because VERY FEW people are interested in being involved,

he then mentioned that no one has listened to him,

and that HIS EFFORTS TO FILL INFLUENCE POSITIONS HAVE NOW BEEN NEGATED BECAUSE RON PAUL PEOPLE HAVE SHOWN UP

AND TAKEN THE OPEN POSITIONS NOW!

And this is in the center of GOP power in North Carolina!
My precinct meeting was at the STATE GOP HEADQUARTERS. The HQ of the WHOLE GOP in NC. And almost NO ONE WAS THERE.


ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IN MOST INSTANCES IS **** SHOW UP **** AND YOU ARE IN!!!


IT'S NOT WHO VOTES - IT'S WHO IS THE DELEGATE!!


GET INVOLVED AT THE LOCAL PARTY LEVEL!!! INFLUENCE BEGINS THERE!! THE REVOLUTION BEGINS THERE!!!

 

[DeafEric]

Listen here you peon troll. I'm not some noob like you. I've donated a lot of money, effort and time into this campaign. I support the ron paul revolution movement, not this or that presidential campaign. I could really care less who is elected President at this point in time. What we need now is organization not division. If the movement is strongest with a presidential campaign so be it, I will support it. However if it's better served by Ron Paul or whomever trying to bring about reform in the republican party by other means or 3p or whatever then I will support that too.

Bottom line is we're not going to get the republican nomination, it's just not going to happen due to all the sheep and MSM. Ron Paul is the wisest of the bunch but he's not the most charismatic person either and that's what MSM and sheep look for unfortunately. But he's opened a lot of eyes, made a lot of progress, and made the GOP take notice, and it's my hope he and the rest of us stick around to battle it out for the long haul.

The real crybaby's and wannabe's such as yourself will leave and pout why Ron Paul didn't win and the media was never fair to him. Meanwhile people like myself will continue to carry on this message, fund/support those running for congress as ron paul republicans, and will fight on.

Excuse me, I casted my ballot vote for Ron Paul. While what did you casted your ballot for? I am continuing my faith in Ron Paul to win Republican Party. I am not a troll as you think but I strongly believe that you are a true COWARD for Ron Paul supporter. IF you want Ron Paul to run 3rd party then MSM will hand-puppets you to push Ron Paul out of election just because you are carrying without any of FAITH in Ron Paul’s nomination for Republican Party. Many people who are like you that collapses any of movements, ideas, races in general just simple that none of you had faith into it. No one can take out your faith upon anything expect yourself. That is why I said you just committed a suicide.

MSM is nothing compared with our faith in election race. We can sacrifice our body for truth if necessary and I 100% guarantee that you will not participate in that sacrifices. “Give me death or give me liberty” and that’s how we won over world most mighty government, England. Imagine, we were farmer and we didn’t have nice weapon technology. Not only that we weren’t well trained. We were absolutely short on supplies. We were facing strong odd against us because we were ratio about 1 to 5 Red soldiers. It is like you are striking in 5 bullets and praying that you will end up living. Those farmers will say to you are you true COWARD compared to their experience.

It is so easy just like 1-2-3 Give me DEATH or Give me LIBERTY!!! Even that Caveman would do it.

Let me give you a better picture for what you did to us for Ron Paul nominating for Republican Party.

Suppose you had a child and you were once a strong believer in your child for future successful life. One day you realized that you child couldn’t successes in some ways. You suggested your child to choose an alternative way to obtain a successful life. When you child persist with his plan and refuses to obey your recommend. You begun to lose faith in your child and child kept rolling with his plan. But you choose to be part of outsiders beside your own child to let them be involved with your plan. How would you think your child felt about you? Answer traitor, betrayer, unfaithful and a coward!