Dial 911 and die - You will NOT believe this story.

[Baptist]

I understand your position, but with all respect. You are blowing your own horn. You've allowed your personal victory to cloud your wisdom. :o Don't cheapen what you did by holding people up to the same standard.

ForLibertyRonPaul,
I have no respect for any law enforcement in this country. If you find me one single video of a cop stopping another cop from screwing us over, then I will rethink my position on the matter. I'm not talking about Internal Affairs or the FBI bringing down corrupt cops. Those cases usually arise because the local populace has raised hell about corrupt cops for so long, that something finally gets done.

Find me a single video of a cop stopping another cop in the act of corruption. I want to see a video of a cop tackling another cop who is beating the crap out of a handcuffed prisoner. I want to see a video of a cop arresting a fellow cop who is either: tazering old women, slamming old grandmas to the ground in Walmart's parking lot, molesting women while on drug raids in Philadelphia, shooting handcuffed men in the back in San Fransisco, or violating our rights at these protests.

I want to see the video or hear the audio tape of a police officer who stands up to his fellow officers as they drag an innocent man they just shot through gravel before they paraded him around the neighborhood on the hood of their car.

If I see one such video, I will rethink my position. Until then, I do not have respect for any cops.

 

[Dieseler]

Anybody still paying taxes has no horn to blow on this side topic discussion.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[YumYum]

ForLibertyRonPaul,
I have no respect for any law enforcement in this country. If you find me one single video of a cop stopping another cop from screwing us over, then I will rethink my position on the matter. I'm not talking about Internal Affairs or the FBI bringing down corrupt cops. Those cases usually arise because the local populace has raised hell about corrupt cops for so long, that something finally gets done.

Find me a single video of a cop stopping another cop in the act of corruption. I want to see a video of a cop tackling another cop who is beating the crap out of a handcuffed prisoner. I want to see a video of a cop arresting a fellow cop who is either: tazering old women, slamming old grandmas to the ground in Walmart's parking lot, molesting women while on drug raids in Philadelphia, shooting handcuffed men in the back in San Fransisco, or violating our rights at these protests.

I want to see the video or hear the audio tape of a police officer who stands up to his fellow officers as they drag an innocent man they just shot through gravel before they paraded him around the neighborhood on the hood of their car.

If I see one such video, I will rethink my position. Until then, I do not have respect for any cops.

My uncle is a deputy sheriff in L.A. He has a crimminal mind and breaks the law at will. He respects no one.

 

[Baptist]

Anybody still paying taxes has no horn to blow on this side topic discussion.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

The fact that I pay taxes even though I'm aware of all the evil that is done with them makes me a coward who isn't man enough to follow his convictions. That does not excuse the behavior of police officers who are "just doing their jobs." The fact that I or anyone else sucks does not nullify the behavior of thug law enforcement-- it just means that I suck too. Two wrongs don't make a right.

There are no good cops, and I'm a coward. So yes, by being honest and taking this position I can remain consistent while I blow on my horn.

 

[Dieseler]

The fact that I pay taxes even though I'm aware of all the evil that is done with them makes me a coward who isn't man enough to follow his convictions. That does not excuse the behavior of police officers who are "just doing their jobs." The fact that I or anyone else sucks does not nullify the behavior of thug law enforcement-- it just means that I suck too. Two wrongs don't make a right.

There are no good cops, and I'm a coward. So yes, by being honest and taking this position I can remain consistent while I blow on my horn.

I didn't say you suck man.
I was just making an observation.

 

[ClayTrainor]

This story pisses me off to epic proportions!

So sick, so sad, so wrong.

There are no good cops, and I'm a coward. So yes, by being honest and taking this position I can remain consistent while I blow on my horn.

Much respect for holding that position. I too am a coward. I admit that the only reason i pay my taxes is because i fear the uniformed men with guns, coming to take me away.

 

[Baptist]

I didn't say you suck man.
I was just making an observation.

I didn't think you did. I was just coming out with that position (even if playing Devil's advocate because I'm still contemplating/researching my position on taxes) to make the point that you can say that all cops suck, even though you yourself suck as well.

My brother made the exact same point as you the last time I talked to him. He defended the cops and said "yeah, well by being a student at that university you are helping play into all the evils that they will do or that will come out of it. None of us do the right thing all the time." It wasn't until a week later that the thought occurred to me.... "yeah, I do suck. But that does not excuse the cop's behavior. They suck too."


I think that in text I come off as too argumentative and combative. When making these points face to face I do not.

 

[Dieseler]

I didn't think you did. I was just coming out with that position (even if playing Devil's advocate because I'm still contemplating/researching my position on taxes) to make the point that you can say that all cops suck, even though you yourself suck as well.

My brother made the exact same point as you the last time I talked to him. He defended the cops and said "yeah, well by being a student at that university you are helping play into all the evils that they will do or that will come out of it. None of us do the right thing all the time." It wasn't until a week later that the thought occurred to me.... "yeah, I do suck. But that does not excuse the cop's behavior. They suck too."


I think that in text I come off as too argumentative and combative. When making these points face to face I do not.

Its all good.
I pay taxes to.

 

[Sandman33]

To serve and protect......

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

ForLibertyRonPaul,
I have no respect for any law enforcement in this country. If you find me one single video of a cop stopping another cop from screwing us over, then I will rethink my position on the matter. I'm not talking about Internal Affairs or the FBI bringing down corrupt cops. Those cases usually arise because the local populace has raised hell about corrupt cops for so long, that something finally gets done.

Find me a single video of a cop stopping another cop in the act of corruption. I want to see a video of a cop tackling another cop who is beating the crap out of a handcuffed prisoner. I want to see a video of a cop arresting a fellow cop who is either: tazering old women, slamming old grandmas to the ground in Walmart's parking lot, molesting women while on drug raids in Philadelphia, shooting handcuffed men in the back in San Fransisco, or violating our rights at these protests.

I want to see the video or hear the audio tape of a police officer who stands up to his fellow officers as they drag an innocent man they just shot through gravel before they paraded him around the neighborhood on the hood of their car.

If I see one such video, I will rethink my position. Until then, I do not have respect for any cops.

well i guess that is your problem. I sincerely hope you rethink your position before you see a video.

 

[phill4paul]

That was Phill4Paul's line and an excellent one at that.

I pinched it for my sig line for a while.

The exact quote, IIRC, was: "There are no good cops - there would be no bad cops".

I stand by that quote to this day.
I was speaking w/ a lawyer friend of mine the other day. She told me to be careful while driving around town and make sure all my plates/inspection/papers are in order. A police officer had told her that word had come from state level for all municipalities to set up checkpoints to generate revenue. By having more roadblocks the police could save on fuel cost while raising revenue.
This is where we stand. They no longer protect and serve, but are considered revenue generators.

 

[devil21]

Bingo.
I'll add one more thing here.
While you are outside safely with your family dialing 911, wake ALL of the neighbors.
They won't mind standing outside visually documenting what goes on after the fact.
People love drama.

I doubt the emptying of a Glock 19 magazine into an intruder at 3am wouldnt wake your neighbors ...but your additional advice is well taken.

If checkpoints become obviously more common that will be a GOOD thing to those of us trying to wake people up. The first time someone runs into a checkpoint in broad daylight it will be a rude awakening. But but but...aren't checkpoints just for drunk drivers???

 

[Anti Federalist]

I stand by that quote to this day.
I was speaking w/ a lawyer friend of mine the other day. She told me to be careful while driving around town and make sure all my plates/inspection/papers are in order. A police officer had told her that word had come from state level for all municipalities to set up checkpoints to generate revenue. By having more roadblocks the police could save on fuel cost while raising revenue.
This is where we stand. They no longer protect and serve, but are considered revenue generators.

So do I, true meaning in that quote.

Roadblocks for everything, of course.

Somebody post that iphone app that shows roadblocks...

 

[Deborah K]

I disagree.

It is not at all like sexual orientation or race, which you are born with and have no choice over.

You choose to serve an evil state when you put the badge on every morning, period.

You want my trust or respect?

Quit.

I'm not harping on this to blow my own horn, but I did it, I turned down a very lucrative position with government based on no other reason than my principles that would not allow me to rest easy, taking a government paycheck every month.

It caused a great deal of financial hardship at the time, but I'm glad I never caved in.

AF, I patrol side by side with retired and ex-military and police at the border as a minuteman. In fact, much of our organization is made up of ex-military and police. They love their country and are trying to protect it. A lot of whom are Ron Paul supporters. Now we are on the watch list with DHS for being potential homegrown terrorists. http://www.splcenter.org/images/dynamic/main/The_Second_Wave.pdf This report was submitted to the DHS. Our particular facility (Camp Vigilance) is listed in the report on page 11. If you haven't seen this, you'll be amazed at how similar the Minutemen think like the Freedom Movement.

Sorry but between that and the fact that the cops in my area aren't rogue, I'm not buying into this ALL cops are the enemy thing.

 

[Rael]

AF, I patrol side by side with retired and ex-military and police at the border as a minuteman. In fact, much of our organization is made up of ex-military and police. They love their country and are trying to protect it. A lot of whom are Ron Paul supporters. Now we are on the watch list with DHS for being potential homegrown terrorists. http://www.splcenter.org/images/dynamic/main/The_Second_Wave.pdf This report was submitted to the DHS. Our particular facility (Camp Vigilance) is listed in the report on page 11. If you haven't seen this, you'll be amazed at how similar the Minutemen think like the Freedom Movement.

Sorry but between that and the fact that the cops in my area aren't rogue, I'm not buying into this ALL cops are the enemy thing.

How do you know you are on the watchlist?

 

[Liberty Rebellion]

I doubt the emptying of a Glock 19 magazine into an intruder at 3am wouldnt wake your neighbors ...but your additional advice is well taken.

If checkpoints become obviously more common that will be a GOOD thing to those of us trying to wake people up. The first time someone runs into a checkpoint in broad daylight it will be a rude awakening. But but but...aren't checkpoints just for drunk drivers???

The county I live in did a 4pm-10pm no-refusal (meaning your blood is drawn if you fail field sobriety test & if you refuse the get a warrant on the spot) checkpoint last weekend. COMPLETE waste of money, but I'm sure it came from the Feds:

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st...unty-dwi-checkpoint-results-in-eight-arrests/

They're doing another one this weekend, but it's a check-point where you can refuse apparently.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/ch...-dwi-checkpoint-planned-in-st-charles-county/

 

[Deborah K]

How do you know you are on the watchlist?

No facts. Haven't bothered to contact DHS. I'm assuming we are since we are listed in that report and it was accepted by the DHS. It's not a stretch to deduce that.

 

[phill4paul]

So do I, true meaning in that quote.

Roadblocks for everything, of course.

Somebody post that iphone app that shows roadblocks...

ROFLMAO....No sooner than it's mentioned it is needed.
While working today I got the privilege of going through a check. It was in the afternoon @ 1pm on a two lane one way. They had two cars pulled over to the side already when I approached. Funny thing is they just waved any work related vehicles through.
What a complete crock of shit. They weren't looking for D.U.I. , they weren't looking for an escaped convict nor a robbery suspect. They were merely generating revenue.
I do remember when I lived in Virginia that in Charlottesville the locations of check points had to be published in advance in the local paper. I'm gonna have to check on N.C. law and township laws.

 

[phill4paul]

The county I live in did a 4pm-10pm no-refusal (meaning your blood is drawn if you fail field sobriety test & if you refuse the get a warrant on the spot) checkpoint last weekend. COMPLETE waste of money, but I'm sure it came from the Feds:

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st...unty-dwi-checkpoint-results-in-eight-arrests/

They're doing another one this weekend, but it's a check-point where you can refuse apparently.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/ch...-dwi-checkpoint-planned-in-st-charles-county/

And there is the proverbial line...no way, no how...are they gonna take my blood. I don't care which court authorized it I will defend my 5th amendment right.
For willful refusal they are free to suspend my driving "privilege" for whatever amount of time they see fit, even indefinitely, however if they try to force blood from my body there will be a fight.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

I'm not harping on this to blow my own horn, but I did it, I turned down a very lucrative position with government based on no other reason than my principles that would not allow me to rest easy, taking a government paycheck every month.

It caused a great deal of financial hardship at the time, but I'm glad I never caved in.

I can't even put to words how much I respect that. There are not a lot of people who have the balls to refuse to compromise their values like that, but if there were, the problems we have would essentially be solved. If people who are essentially good would stop working for evil organizations, the organization would either have to stop being corrupt or die.