Dial 911 and die - You will NOT believe this story.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't agree with this. The cops in my area are okay. Our experiences with them have been good ones. NOT saying we haven't had a few run-ins with them in the past. But that wasn't around here. They seem friendly and helpful around here. Which will be good when shtf.

I don't think it's a good idea for people to be encouraging a negative attitude toward ALL cops.

Watch the video I posted.

I'm sure you have heard Miranda rights before, specifically about the right to remain silent and that anything you say can and will be used against you in court.

You are aware that the converse is NOT true: anything you say to the cops that can be used to exonerate you or prove your innocence in court is NOT allowed to be used, in every state, under federal evidence rules and court "procedure", statements you make that can prove your innocence will be dismissed as "hearsay" and thrown out as evidence.

The state is broke, evil and corrupt.

The state will send troops into a sovereign nation with no legal or moral justification, and kill a million people without batting an eyelash.

Cops are the front line enforcement arm of that state.

They are the enemy, and always, no matter how polite and chummy they may be on your local bowling league, they are always, always, cops first.

If it's you or them, it will be you going down every time.

Ignore this at your own peril.

 

[Anti Federalist]

YouTube - Dont Talk to Police

 

[Pauliana]

I'd like to know what it takes for a review board to actually rule against a cop... has it ever happened???

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

YouTube - Dont Talk to Police

really good video!

 

[amy31416]

I've looked at this story twice already, and I just don't have the words...at least ones that are within the forum guidelines.

 

[BuddyRey]

YouTube - Dont Talk to Police

Great stuff!

 

[devil21]

Ive been trying to figure out why the put him on the squad car hood and drove around the neighborhood????

 

[pcosmar]

Ive been trying to figure out why the put him on the squad car hood and drove around the neighborhood????

Trophy.

 

[devil21]

Naaaa I dont buy that, given that they were already in "oh shit" mode. I assume it was part of their cover up plan but for the life of me I cant figure out what the angle is. By that point the guy was already shot 6 times.

 

[Deborah K]

Watch the video I posted.

I'm sure you have heard Miranda rights before, specifically about the right to remain silent and that anything you say can and will be used against you in court.

You are aware that the converse is NOT true: anything you say to the cops that can be used to exonerate you or prove your innocence in court is NOT allowed to be used, in every state, under federal evidence rules and court "procedure", statements you make that can prove your innocence will be dismissed as "hearsay" and thrown out as evidence.

The state is broke, evil and corrupt.

The state will send troops into a sovereign nation with no legal or moral justification, and kill a million people without batting an eyelash.

Cops are the front line enforcement arm of that state.

They are the enemy, and always, no matter how polite and chummy they may be on your local bowling league, they are always, always, cops first.

If it's you or them, it will be you going down every time.

Ignore this at your own peril.

This isn't about "ignoring" something at my own peril. I understand the "us against them" mentality that is prevalent in the cop community. I'm fully capable of exercising caution in any situation. But I'm not okay with exacting hatred against an entire group of people. I think it's a dangerous practice.

 

[Dieseler]

Gotta keep in mind, we're not dealing with the best and brightest here.
Look at it any way you want and even try to figure out what they were thinking if you want to but it all boils down to one thing. Those Cops did not know they were busted by the 911 tape so God only knows what they were going to do with that guy.
Doesn't really matter.
Just know one thing.
You want to do everything in your power to plan ahead so that you don't fall into the same predicament.
Think about it.
Do you have a plan to protect you and yours?
Have you shared the plan with the family?

Edit:...
It took me a lot of years struggling with the whys and hows until I learned that it really doesn't matter much why or how as long as you reach the right end result.
This works for almost everything.
I'm not that smart either by the way, I'm sure a lot of younger guys have mastered this already.
Now run back through this whole scenario until you find the point at which this man made the mistake that almost cost him his life.
Think about it.

Oh, and before you jump on me for saying this so callously, remember this,
Dead is dead.
Don't matter who was right or wrong.

 

[devil21]

His mistake was allowing the intruder to live while waiting for the police to arrive. It's gotten to the point where you should just light the intruder up till he doesn't move anymore THEN call the police. By the time they get there you will be unarmed and safely sitting outside waiting for them to come clean up the mess. The intruder can't turn around and sue you if he's dead and the cops will have no choice but to take your side of the story as gospel. Oh and you don't risk a dumbfuck cop that's adrenalined out of his mind mistaking you for the burglar and shooting first.

Cops are not your friends. They are not there to protect you. They are not there to serve you. They are there to arrest and prosecute you.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This isn't about "ignoring" something at my own peril. I understand the "us against them" mentality that is prevalent in the cop community. I'm fully capable of exercising caution in any situation. But I'm not okay with exacting hatred against an entire group of people. I think it's a dangerous practice.

I'm sorry if I came off sounding "haughty" in my reply to you.

But you're playing a dangerous game here by saying things like this:

But I'm not okay with exacting hatred against an entire group of people

I'm sure any number of Stasi, OKRANA, KGB and Shutzstaffel were decent folks with families and homes and cuddly dogs.

But they served an evil system, knowingly.

That makes them dangerous and not to be fully trusted, ever.

 

[Dieseler]

His mistake was allowing the intruder to live while waiting for the police to arrive. It's gotten to the point where you should just light the intruder up till he doesn't move anymore THEN call the police. By the time they get there you will be unarmed and safely sitting outside waiting for them to come clean up the mess. The intruder can't turn around and sue you if he's dead and the cops will have no choice but to take your side of the story as gospel. Oh and you don't risk a dumbfuck cop that's adrenalined out of his mind mistaking you for the burglar and shooting first.

Cops are not your friends. They are not there to protect you. They are not there to serve you. They are there to arrest and prosecute you.

Bingo.
I'll add one more thing here.
While you are outside safely with your family dialing 911, wake ALL of the neighbors.
They won't mind standing outside visually documenting what goes on after the fact.
People love drama.

 

[Deborah K]

I'm sorry if I came off sounding "haughty" in my reply to you.

But you're playing a dangerous game here by saying things like this:



I'm sure any number of Stasi, OKRANA, KGB and Shutzstaffel were decent folks with families and homes and cuddly dogs.

But they served an evil system, knowingly.

That makes them dangerous and not to be fully trusted, ever.

I am not playing a game, dangerous or otherwise. The groups of people you mention had the same mentality as the one you are espousing yourself. Hatred of an entire group. It's no different than hating an entire race, etc. imo. I think that we should get the cops on OUR side. And the military too. We all know people in the military or police force, or we know people related to them. We should be recruiting the ones we can, not considering ALL of them the enemy. Sorry but that's my opinion about this.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I am not playing a game, dangerous or otherwise. The groups of people you mention had the same mentality as the one you are espousing yourself. Hatred of an entire group. It's no different than hating an entire race, etc. imo. I think that we should get the cops on OUR side. And the military too. We all know people in the military or police force, or we know people related to them. We should be recruiting the ones we can, not considering ALL of them the enemy. Sorry but that's my opinion about this.

I disagree.

It is not at all like sexual orientation or race, which you are born with and have no choice over.

You choose to serve an evil state when you put the badge on every morning, period.

You want my trust or respect?

Quit.

I'm not harping on this to blow my own horn, but I did it, I turned down a very lucrative position with government based on no other reason than my principles that would not allow me to rest easy, taking a government paycheck every month.

It caused a great deal of financial hardship at the time, but I'm glad I never caved in.

 

[Baptist]

I am not playing a game, dangerous or otherwise. The groups of people you mention had the same mentality as the one you are espousing yourself. Hatred of an entire group. It's no different than hating an entire race, etc. imo. I think that we should get the cops on OUR side. And the military too. We all know people in the military or police force, or we know people related to them. We should be recruiting the ones we can, not considering ALL of them the enemy. Sorry but that's my opinion about this.

I had this attitude up until 9 months ago. Then I watched ex drug cop Barry Cooper on the Alex Jones show (excellent interview!! http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheAlexJonesChannel&view=videos&query=barry+cooper). Between Barry explaining what cops do, and hearing officer Jack McLamb explain that the Phoenix police department tried to get him killed after he started to question/disobey unconstitutional orders....... THERE CAN'T BE ANY GOOD COPS. You can't be a good cop and still be on the force.

Somebody on these forums made a statement one time that was excellent: "if there were ANY good cops, then there wouldn't be any bad cops." In other words, if there were good cops, they would arrest/weed out the bad cops. And it's true, too.

Go to YouTube and type in "Pittsburgh G20," "dnc protest," or "rnc protest." Have fun watching hundreds of videos of thousands of police violating our rights while they beat the crap out of innocent people. In not one video will you see a single police officer objecting to orders or standing up to his fellow officers.

Go to YouTube and type in "police brutality." As you sit there with boiling blood, ask yourself why there is not ONE SINGLE VIDEO ANYWHERE of a cop standing up to or stopping another cop who is tazing the crap out of somebody, beating the crap out of somebody, violating somebody's rights, or shooting handcuffed men in the back as they lay face down on the ground. I have yet to see one single video of a cop standing up to his out of control, thuggish brothers. They are a brotherhood. They do not care about us, our well being, and they sure as heck do not care about the Constitution.

When I first came to this realization I wasn't happy with it. I do not like the fact that there are no good cops in this country. I do not like hearing myself say it. But the fact of the matter is that there are no good cops in America. I do not trust any cop, and I will never call a cop for ANY reason, period.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"if there were ANY good cops, then there wouldn't be any bad cops."

That was Phill4Paul's line and an excellent one at that.

I pinched it for my sig line for a while.

The exact quote, IIRC, was: "There are no good cops - there would be no bad cops".

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

I disagree.

It is not at all like sexual orientation or race, which you are born with and have no choice over.

You choose to serve an evil state when you put the badge on every morning, period.

You want my trust or respect?

Quit.

I'm not harping on this to blow my own horn, but I did it, I turned down a very lucrative position with government based on no other reason than my principles that would not allow me to rest easy, taking a government paycheck every month.

It caused a great deal of financial hardship at the time, but I'm glad I never caved in.

I understand your position, but with all respect. You are blowing your own horn. You've allowed your personal victory to cloud your wisdom. :o Don't cheapen what you did by holding people up to the same standard.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I understand your position, but with all respect. You are blowing your own horn. You've allowed your personal victory to cloud your wisdom. :o Don't cheapen what you did by holding people up to the same standard.

Let us never speak of it again.