Constitutional Question - FLDS Church Raid

Ipdate: Its getting even worse :(

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8957324
Attorney Amy Hennington, who represents some of the fathers, then objected. She argued it had been unfair to question the girls because they didn't know they were part of an investigation, did not understand the nature of the questions they were being asked and could have incriminated themselves.
Furthermore, Hennington said, the girls were minors and could not be represented by their own attorneys, even as the state sought to take their children into custody.
Judge Barbara Walther overruled the objection and admitted the reports into evidence.
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Yes the same Judge that issued the unconstitutional blanket Warrant also thinks its ok to interogate children without council or even a parent present.
 
Sandra said:
I know two sisters that were in the FLDS. One of them said they were a perfect choice for secret government crap because there is no paper trail to show identity. They don't have birth certificates or social security cards. But yet they let them apply for benefits from the state. Who pays that bill?
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[cricket, cricket]

more mkultra

blank slates, empty canvases
 
UtahApocalypse said:
Why are our freedom loving Texans not their? If I did not start a new job next week I would be their.
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lol, there's always some reason. as for the freedom lovers in texas...

many have too many friends/family in prison on even more tenuous/unconstitutional cases
to go picket outside san angelo for some folks who frankly, knew they were riding for a fall...

and who knows? i'm sure an equal number of people disagree w/ the
actions of the police, but have no sympathy for the flds and feel that
the children are probably better off... not saying they are, just that
i assure you there are no shortage of individuals who feel that way.

if they were looking for understanding/sympathy they should have stuck
to utah or idaho. moving to san angelo was nothing short of asking for it.

sorry that that's how things are, but that's how they are.
 
Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that these kids are currently in just as much (if not more) danger?
 
constituent said:
if they were looking for understanding/sympathy they should have stuck
to utah or idaho. moving to san angelo was nothing short of asking for it.

sorry that that's how things are, but that's how they are.
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Living in Utah I can tell you by far the FLDS are getting less sympathy here then I have seen in many areas. Many of the LDS faith want to distance themselves so much from the FLDS they will tow the line, even though their history is the same. Many of the LDS forget that for Utah to become a state they had to drop the practice of polygamy.

The FLDS are like that cousin that never comes to the family reunions and no one ever talks about.
 
Geronimo said:
Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that these kids are currently in just as much (if not more) danger?
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It is not just you who has that feeling.... the reprogramming of those children is going to be a long row to hoe for the state of Texas. If and when they decide the programming is complete, will the children be placed with foster parents who are possibly worse than the allegedly bad parents they came from?
 
The last word I read in either Worldnet Daily or Drudge Report , I forgot which ,is they found the woman and she wasn't even living there when she made the call. She is in Co. and the man she acused was gone at the time.
 
I heard that out of 400+ children they took, only 4 or 5 were pregnant. That's something like a 1% incidence, which is no worse than any other small town. That they took ALL of the children is insanity. Perhaps if they took the ones who were pregnant, or just the females between 10 and 16, or something like that.
 
Meatwasp said:
The last word I read in either Worldnet Daily or Drudge Report , I forgot which ,is they found the woman and she wasn't even living there when she made the call. She is in Co. and the man she acused was gone at the time.
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Can you find a link on that?
If this ends up blowing up in the Judge's face, I want to make this an issue here in Louisiana too.
 
Worldnet daily has it. She is a 33 year old woman who has a history of phoning police and acting like a child in distress. I don't know how to paste it here so look it up or some nice person to bring it in here.
 
torchbearer said:
Can you find a link on that?
If this ends up blowing up in the Judge's face, I want to make this an issue here in Louisiana too.
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Its starting to get mainstream coverage: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8969094
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Texas Rangers are investigating whether a Colorado Springs woman made calls pretending to be an abused girl in a polygamist compound, sparking a mass child protective action in Eldorado, Texas.....
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If ever a case would challenge so many aspects of what American freedoms and Rights are this will be the case to validate, or eradicate the whole Constitution. This now is THE paramount case our entire nation as we know it will be decided upon.
 
Meatwasp said:
Worldnet daily has it. She is a 33 year old woman who has a history of phoning police and acting like a child in distress. I don't know how to paste it here so look it up or some nice person to bring it in here.
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what term did you use to find it on worldnet search?
 
Here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61963

rozita_swinton.jpg

Rozita Swinton


Colorado woman investigated as polygamy-hoax caller
33-year-old reportedly has history of phoning police as child in distress

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Posted: April 18, 2008
3:50 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Rozita Swinton
A 33-year-old Colorado Springs woman has been questioned about a telephone call that sparked a raid at the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints compound in western Texas two weeks ago.

Rozita Swinton was arrested at her home Wednesday night by Colorado Springs police for an incident that occurred in February. Members of the Texas Rangers were also in Colorado Springs as part of their investigation.

"The Texas Rangers were in Colorado Springs (Wednesday) as part of their investigation involving the compound in Texas. They left and have not filed any charges on Rozita Swinton as of this time," said Colorado Springs police spokesman Lt. Skip Arms.

Colorado Springs police said the arrest warrant has been sealed and refused to release any other details, reported Deseret News.

Swinton posted $20,000 bail at the El Paso County Jail and was released.

"She does have some history with Colorado Springs Police of making prior false calls to police," Arms told KRDO Radio in Colorado Springs.

According to KDRO, Swinton's arrest was for a false call to police in February. A young girl named "Jenifer" claimed she was being held hostage in a basement, causing Colorado Springs police to spend most of the day searching more than a dozen homes.

KUSA-TV, Denver, reported Swinton was arrested in Castle Rock, Colo., two years ago for making a false report.

Texas authorities launched their raid on the compound after receiving a warrant based on a phone call from a girl named "Sarah" who called for help, claiming she was pregnant and living inside the compound with her 49-year-old abusive husband.

Flora Jessop, an outspoken ex-member of the FLDS group, told KUSA-TV she believes Swinton may have been the person she spoke with by phone, who claimed to be Sarah's twin sister.

She said the woman she believes is Rozita Swinton called again Thursday morning after Swinton bailed out of the El Paso County Jail.

"I did get her to admit to me her name was Rose," Jessop said.

Texas lawmakers have defended the removal of 416 children from the polygamous sect's ranch and the separation of older children from their mothers.

"I'm so proud of our state for acting in the manner it has acted," said state Rep. Drew Darby, of San Angelo, earlier this week. Texas' motto, he said, ought to be changed to "Don't mess with the children of Texas."
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So a new question now emerges.... To me it is quite clear that none of the evidence collected is admissible as it is 'fruit of the poisonous tree' but how will this effect the CPS case?

This is just getting so messy, Texas is toast
 
pcosmar said:
This Investigation should be done before a warrant is issued.
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Agreed. they could have asked the Judge for a Court Order for the phone records for the shelter. They then could determine the number, and then location of the call. But Texas did not do this for one reason, and one reason only.... They WANTED a excuse to Raid the FLDS.
 
UtahApocalypse said:
Living in Utah I can tell you by far the FLDS are getting less sympathy here then I have seen in many areas. Many of the LDS faith want to distance themselves so much from the FLDS they will tow the line, even though their history is the same. Many of the LDS forget that for Utah to become a state they had to drop the practice of polygamy.

The FLDS are like that cousin that never comes to the family reunions and no one ever talks about.
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rather unfortunate. other than the obvious, what are some of the other doctrinal differences between the two?
 
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