Constitution Party, Libertarian Party, Tea Party Alliance - TRUE Third Party Initiative

Ideological purity has kept the Constitution and Libertarian parties apart and will continue to do so. No way will they be able to paper over their differences on abortion and illegal immigration.
 
This is just a bad idea. Compromising at this point just cant be the answer when its been the problem all this time. At this point with the way the laws are you can run and win as a dem or rep but nothing more. If all those three now got together and took over the republican party or the democrats i guess they could argue over who gets what after they kicked the zombies out.

Thats actually happening now at least in my neck of the woods. The local party has been taken in this county and most of the other ones.
 
The only way we can create a true third party large enough to be a force is by forging an alliance with the Left.

This means a Libertarian/Progressive alliance.

However, this would mean compromise. Libertarians would have to give up their goal of slashing domestic spending, and Progressives would have to give up their goal of raising taxes and increasing regulations.

I have no problem with an administration that achieves nothing but a foreign policy of free trade and nonintervention, tax cuts, repealing excess regulations, and returning to a true gold standard. All of these things can be accomodated by the Left if it includes something like instituting free college tuition for all citizens and free healthcare insurance for all, regardless of preexisting conditions.

A Paul/Nader alliance would be something very interesting.
 
freshjiva said:
I have no problem with an administration that achieves nothing but a foreign policy of free trade and nonintervention, tax cuts, repealing excess regulations, and returning to a true gold standard. All of these things can be accomodated by the Left if it includes something like instituting free college tuition for all citizens and free healthcare insurance for all, regardless of preexisting conditions.
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I don't think completely destroying America's health care system is something we should accept as a condition to cut interventionism. What you're proposing is worse than the status quo.
 
low preference guy said:
I don't think completely destroying America's health care system is something we should accept as a condition to cut interventionism. What you're proposing is worse than the status quo.
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I'm not endorsing any of that. I want a completely free market in healthcare. But that tidbit is what the compromise would entail IF you want to see taxes cut, Fed audited and abolished, wars and military intervention ended, PATRIOT Act repealed, drug wars ended, and sound money restored.

Thereafter, in order to cover all Americans with healthcare insurance and free college education, we all pay 5%, 15%, or 25% progressive income tax. I want to see all taxes abolished, but for what we're getting in return, that's a pretty amazing deal.
 
I think the LP would find itself the red headed stepchild of such an alliance. I could see the CP and the Tea Party getting along just fine. A few LP remarks about abortion or some of the more militant atheists and I bet 90%+ of the CP and the current Tea Party would want nothing to do with them.
 
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FrankRep said:
Who here supports the idea of these three groups opening up a dialog about creating a Real Third Party to challenge (and beat) the Republican / Democrat political Establishment?

Right now, the Constitution Party and Libertarian Party are a joke in terms of political power.



That's all I ask for, just open up a dialog about the idea.
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This is just a reminder to those who believe third parties are irrelevant to our political process:

 
The GOP would have to nominate someone that pisses off the Tea Party so much (**cough*romney**cough*cough**) that they'd split off on their own and at this point we'd jump in and try to steer them our way. We'd actually be better off if the GOP nominated Romney than someone like Palin or Bachmann who would keep the tea party glued to the GOP. Nominate Romney who would pretty much alienate the base and the entire South and all bets are off as to what the Tea Party would do.
 
Theocrat said:
This is just a reminder to those who believe third parties are irrelevant to our political process:

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I love the video. Its true in its way i just don't see the vast majority of people ever voting for anyone other then one of the 2 partys. The TV said thats throwing away a vote. You don't think they will argue with the TV do you?
 
Carehn said:
I love the video. Its true in its way i just don't see the vast majority of people ever voting for anyone other then one of the 2 partys. The TV said thats throwing away a vote. You don't think they will argue with the TV do you?
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Professor Carroll Quigley explains why United States Policy doesn't change:

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The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.

- Professor Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (1966), p. 1247-1248​
 
haha the constitution party is terrible. you realize they're a bunch of theocrats, right?
 
madfoot said:
haha the constitution party is terrible. you realize they're a bunch of theocrats, right?
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First, the CP is not all theocrats. Second, theocrats are libertarians. Howard Phillips, Chuck Baldwin, etc. are libertarians. The founding generation was more theocratic than you can believe, and it was the most free.
 
party itself means nothing except for ballot access; what is important is the message, the messenger and perceived viability. Americans-unlike most people worldwide-have a thing about wasting their vote. so the two big govt parties just keep their duopoly
 
This is a good example of what we are up against......

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-106010.html

Oct. 14th 2004

What did I think of the debate?.... what debate?

Presidential Candidates Arrested, Media Silent - by Lex Concord

Is America still a free country?

What if some other country were having an election, and citizens were only allowed to hear from two government-approved candidates?

What if two other candidates, on the ballot in a majority of states and representing parties that drew over 3 million votes in the previous election, were arrested simply for trying to enter a debate?

What if all that happened, and the "watchdog" news media didn't tell the citizens about it?

Well, it happened in the good old US of A! Libertarian Michael Badnarik (on 49 state ballots) and Green David Cobb (on 28 state ballots), crossed a police line in St. Louis, and were arrested.

You would think that Fox News, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC would be all over this affront to the democratic process, but no, not a peep.

Badnarik was also attempting to serve the Commission on Presidential Debates with a "Show Cause Order," issued by an Arizona judge, requiring the CPD to appear at a hearing concerning the Libertarian Party's lawsuit to stop the upcoming debate at Arizona State University, as an illegal campaign contribution to Bush and Kerry, an unconstitutional use of Arizona state funds to support selected candidates, and a violation of the LP's equal protection rights, since they are a recognized political party in Arizona.

If this happened in some other country, what would we call them? Undemocratic? Human rights violations? Unbelievable?

If you think America is a free country, you are sadly mistaken. If you think the news media aren't controlled by the same people who control the Democrat and Republican parties, think again.
 
MN Patriot said:
This latest budget flop proves it. $33 billion is hardly anything to brag about. QUOTE]

It's actually the largest spending cut in the history of our country. It doesn't go nearly far enough, but if the Democrats were in control of everything we would have Stimulus Part 2.
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