Shadowy Forces Behind JD Vance’s Rise and Grooming as MAGA Successor

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International Man: JD Vance’s early political rise was fueled by over $13 million from Palantir co-founder and current chairman Peter Thiel—support that far outstripped grassroots contributions.

What do you think drove Thiel to pour big money into launching the political career of someone virtually unknown to the public?

Doug Casey: I’m innately suspicious of anyone and everyone involved in politics on any level. And frankly, I don’t really know anything about JD Vance other than what I learned in the movie about him, a spinoff of his book Hillbilly Elegy. Of course, it presents him in a very favorable light.

However a video by a chap named Nick Fuentes offers a different view. He digs deeper into who JD Vance may or may not be. I suggest everybody watch it now (link).

Is what Fuentes says about Vance true? I don’t know that any more than I know what’s true in JD’s book and movie. Like Vance himself, Fuentes has an axe to grind. It’s hard to believe almost anything you read or hear about any political character.

They’re capable of being shaped and reshaped into whatever form seems like a good idea at the time. Don’t forget that JD went from being a Never Trumper to a Mega MAGA almost overnight. Is he just a more intelligent, non-alcoholic, Republican version of Kamala? They both came out of nowhere, inexplicably. In today’s media-driven world it’s possible to create a character out of whole cloth.

The fact that he’s backed (maybe created or controlled are better words) by Peter Thiel might’ve inclined me favorably towards Vance, because Thiel is thought to have libertarian values. But does he? Thiel is a founder and the chairman of Palantir, which is arguably the most evil and invasive corporation in existence today (link). I’m amused that Theil, who’s obviously got a sense of humor, is giving a four-part lecture in San Francisco on “The AntiChrist” starting Sep 15. I’m interested because the projected fifth book in the series of novels I’m doing with John Hunt is called AntiChrist.

Vance has established some very good-looking credentials during his rise from nowhere—ex-US Marine, graduate from Yale, a lawyer, an author, a venture capitalist. It really looks good. Maybe it’s all real; he could just be a smart young man who lifted himself up by his bootstraps. And there’s no shame in Theil having taken a liking to him, acting as his patron. Forbes estimates that Vance is worth about $12 million. Not bad for a 39 year-old who came from nothing.

What do we really know about JD? He appears to be a cultural conservative. He’s the front runner to be the Republican presidential candidate after Trump. And he’s almost certainly Thiel’s stalking horse.

International Man: What’s your take on JD Vance’s dramatic 180° on Trump—from comparing him to Hitler and publicly calling him “reprehensible” to embracing him just as major donor money and an endorsement fell into place?

Do you see this as political evolution, opportunism, or something else?

Doug Casey: Most people in politics are made from silly putty. Is Vance the rare exception? It’s possible that he’s a sincere guy. But it’s more likely he’s just doing and saying what he must to climb the political ladder.

We all evolve in our philosophical views. For instance, when I was a kid I must have been a liberal, because kids don’t think critically or even rationally.

After I read Barry Goldwater’s book The Conscience of a Conservative in 1963, it offered some new thoughts, and I identified as a conservative. The next year I started reading HL Mencken, and identified as a skeptic. After I read Ayn Rand’s Virtue of Selfishness, the problems with conservatism became apparent, and I identified as a libertarian—although Rand disliked libertarians. Then, after I read The Market for Liberty, I recognized that the State itself was the real enemy. It made me realize that I’d always been an anarcho-capitalist, but hadn’t been concerned enough with politics to figure it out.

Of course people’s views can change and evolve over time. How they evolve depends on their essential character, with inputs from random experience. I’m just surprised that Vance conveniently found The Donald on his political road to Damascus. I suspect he’s an opportunist, with few real principles. For instance, it’s said he was an atheist who converted to Catholicism, under the influence of Thiel. But his wife is a Hindu, which doesn’t make it with the Church.

It’s impossible to know without having a real acquaintance with the man. But I can say for sure that he’s not a libertarian. My guess is that he’s just an opportunist.

International Man: What are some other things you like and dislike about Vance?

Doug Casey: Well, he grew up in the same part of the country portrayed by the series Justified, starring Timothy Olyphant. I like the show, and it gives some insight into the type of people that Vance might have grown up with—salt-of-the-earth, lower-middle-Americans with a genuine touch of hillbilly.

But I don’t really know who he is. Perhaps he’s a version of Steve Martin’s character in “The Jerk”, who believed he was a poor black sharecropper’s son. The image we’re presented is both propaganda and reality. But who knows which is which.

I only know that no one in politics should be trusted. Especially someone who’s risen quickly out of nowhere for no good reason.

International Man: Some say JD Vance is a product of Silicon Valley, GOP mega-donors, and political elites—crafted to channel white working-class discontent in a direction they control.

What’s your view?

Doug Casey: The problem is that Americans—including mega donors, the elites, urban blacks, the white working class, and new immigrants from the Third World—are all looking to politicians and politics for answers. This is foolish. They’re looking for the problem to give them the solution.

All of them want something from the US government. They want the State to direct favors and capital toward the things that they like. Things that the rest of the country must pay for.

That’s certainly true of Trump. Neither Trump nor the people around him have any philosophical center. They’re classical Mussolini-style fascists, who think merging the State with big corporations is a good idea. We have to assume JD is on board with that.

Trumpies are shocked when I label their man a fascist. But it’s accurate. Fascism is essentially an economic system, like communism, socialism, and capitalism.

Take Trump’s acquisition of 15% of MP Materials. Or his so-called Golden Share of US Steel. Or his trying to designate who can or can’t be the president of Intel, plus buying 10% of its shares. These actions are antithetical to the free-market. They more thoroughly involve the state in the economy—which is very bad news. They’re right out of Mussolini’s or Peron’s playbooks.

International Man: Do you see JD Vance becoming the face of the next generation of MAGA politics, or will another figure rise to carry Trump’s mantle?

Doug Casey: I’m not sure that either the Democrat or Republican parties will last another decade. At least not in their present forms. We’re looking at the Greater Depression. Plus WW3. Something like a civil war. The Singularity. And lots more.

Half the Democrat Party are active, rabid socialists, like AOC and the Squad, Bernie Sanders, and many, many others like them. They want to overturn America itself. The other half are just garden-variety welfare statists. I don’t think they can live in the same house together. The Democratic Party is going to break up. It’s gone insane. Half of it will disappear. It’s already happening.

Meanwhile half the Republicans are MAGAs who follow Trump in a cult-like way. That’s understandable, because they see that America is in dire trouble, and Donald is a rallying point. They know something must be done, even if the solution is radical and scary. The other half are traditional, Rotary-going Republicans; Trumpers scare them. And they can’t live in the same house either.

Ron Paul fans will be evicted; they don’t belong in the Republican Party anyway. I don’t know where they’ll go. But it won’t be to the worthless and embarrassing Libertarian Party, which has proven itself to be a total liability to the cause of freedom.

JD Vance, as a controlled opportunist, will likely be the face of whatever’s left of MAGA politics three years from now. But maybe we’ll get a right-wing general. People go for the military in chaotic times. You might want to be somewhere that you can watch it on your widescreen, as opposed to out your front window.



Reprinted with permission from International Man.
 
 
 
Thiel was never really looked upon as such a bad guy until recently, with the Palantir activites, but he's really not the one behind Palantir as much as Alex Karp. Peter is a conflicted sort of Christian, due to his obsessions with tech and his homosexuality. I've listened to one of his talks on the antichrist topic. He is certainly not an expert or theologian!! But, he does touch upon some existential questions we may have to face someday at the intersection of technology and religion. Here is the group that invited him to speak and is hosting:


Concerning J.D., Usha, and Vivek, etc., I tend to see them as white hats, not black. I've done a decent amount of reading about the associations and backgrounds, the fact that Thiel was a backer of Vance doesn't bother me, because J.D. is not a pushover, like anyone of good character he is his own man. That's where I'm at with it, and I continue to see Vance's rise as one of Trump's better decisions, and not something that was forced on him, but rather something that he forced others to accept. Here's another article that provides some insight.

 
[Peter Thiel] ..... he's really not the one behind Palantir as much as Alex Karp.


CEO Today
August 18, 2025

Peter Thiel is still a significant shareholder of Palantir Technologies. As of early 2025, he holds approximately 4.5% of the company's shares. While he has sold off a portion of his initial stake over time, he remains one of the largest individual shareholders and an influential figure due to his role as co-founder and chairman.

Peter Thiel is a co-founder of Palantir Technologies, which he established in 2003 with Alex Karp, Stephen Cohen, and others. He currently serves as the chairman of the board. This position gives him substantial oversight and influence over the company's strategic direction, particularly through a dual-class share structure that gives founders and early investors outsized voting power.

On an institutional basis, The Vanguard Group is the largest shareholder in Palantir, holding approximately 8.17% of the company's shares. However, it's important to distinguish between institutional holders like Vanguard, which hold shares on behalf of funds and clients, and individual insiders. While Vanguard holds a larger percentage, Peter Thiel remains the most influential individual investor, due to his position as chairman and his special voting shares.

The company's work, particularly its government and defense contracts, has often drawn criticism regarding ethical and privacy concerns.

More here.
 
If race traitor Vance is nominee then MAGA is dead for good

Not necessarily. Public-Private Partnerships is all the rage and will be the new normal:

Meh, they are using worse things than that to spy on all of us already.

See? He's already chomping at the bit.


- Vance voted NO [bad vote] on H.R. 3746 Spending Reductions
- Vance voted YES [bad vote] on S. 870 Federal Firefighter Grants
- Vance DID NOT VOTE on Surveilling U.S. Citizens [to say Fuck NO!]
- Vance’s early political rise was fueled by over $13 million from Palantir co-founder and current chairman Peter Thiel—support that far outstripped grassroots contributions.


2028 is going to be different. Just you wait and see. And if it isn't, just wait until 3032. That's when they'll mean business.
 
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What if I like almost all of that? He's done a good job.

Then "vote" for him, what can I say? It's not like this country hasn't been going straight down the shitter since the constitution was signed. Why stop now?

If you ask me, that Record is pathetic. But that's just me.
 


"James Donald David Bowman Hamel Vance Jingleheimer Schmidt 🎶
That’s, my name toooooo 🎵🎤

Born James Donald Bowman,
J. D. later went by the name James Hamel, his stepfather's surname, until adopting his grandparents' surname, Vance.

The surname Hamel has multiple origins
German and Jewish (Ashkenazic):
A habitational name from the city of Hamlin, Germany, where the Hamel river flows into the Weser.

January 2017, Vance became a CNN contributor. 🏆

In April 2017, Ron Howard signed on to direct a film version of Hillbilly Elegy, which Netflix🏆 released in 2020.

2019, Vance co-founded Narya Capital in Cincinnati with financial backing from Thiel, Eric Schmidt, and Marc Andreessen.🏆

In March 2021, Peter Thiel gave $10 million to Protect Ohio Values, a super PAC created in February to support a Vance candidacy.

Peter Thiel - Former CEO of PayPal (Elon’s Buddy)🏆

Peter Thiel, having already donated a record amount to support J.D. Vance, decided to contribute an additional $1.5 million to the pro-Vance super PAC as well.

Tech billionaire Peter Thiel had given $15 million in total to bolster J.D. Vance the largest amount ever given to boost a single Senate candidate.

Bunch of jokers"
 
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