Constitution Party, Libertarian Party, Tea Party Alliance - TRUE Third Party Initiative

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Who here supports the idea of these three groups opening up a dialog about creating a Real Third Party to challenge (and beat) the Republican / Democrat political Establishment?

Right now, the Constitution Party and Libertarian Party are a joke in terms of political power.



That's all I ask for, just open up a dialog about the idea.


Contact the Constitution Party!
[email protected]

Contact the Libertarian Party!
[email protected]
 
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You stole my idea.

I've got friends in the copyright office that will be contacting you. /sarcasm
 
the Tea Party Alliance can pull at TEA PARTY EXPRESS people?
the Libertarian Party is able to pull at INDEPENDENT VOTERs...??
the Constitution Party pulls in MANY of the Au~H2O people...???
 
if a 3rd party candidate is viewed as viable 2-3 weeks before election day they have a chance.
 
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Even with a coalition, there would need to be state-by-state legislative reform to make a third party win possible, no matter how much money or even public support the party might have. It just isn't viable as a 2012 thing.

To look at an idea like this realistically, there would need to be a push for legislative reform with each state having a unique bill to overcome the unfair rules that either fail to recognize a third party or afford special privileges to a major party. Then there would have to be such a powerful public push that both parties break from their caucuses and vote to make sure they have a viable third opponent to their next election. It just is a really hard thing to convince them to do, and that's why it doesn't happen.
 
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BarryDonegan said:
Even with a coalition, there would need to be state-by-state legislative reform to make a third party win possible, no matter how much money or even public support the party might have. It just isn't viable as a 2012 thing.
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I just want to get the ball rolling.

I highly doubt the CP, LP, and TP could hammer out a solid alliance by 2012.
 
I think this is super important, even if they don't stand a chance of winning. It begins the dialogue of third parties against the Big Two. Just like the dialogue is starting now of legitimate government cuts. Even if it fails, it begins conversation more than we've ever seen.
 
Such a party would simply take away votes from the Republican Party. They still wouldn't ever win anything.
 
BarryDonegan said:
Even with a coalition, there would need to be state-by-state legislative reform to make a third party win possible, no matter how much money or even public support the party might have. It just isn't viable as a 2012 thing.

To look at an idea like this realistically, there would need to be a push for legislative reform with each state having a unique bill to overcome the unfair rules that either fail to recognize a third party or afford special privileges to a major party. Then there would have to be such a powerful public push that both parties break from their caucuses and vote to make sure they have a viable third opponent to their next election. It just is a really hard thing to convince them to do, and that's why it doesn't happen.
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Ummmm Isnt this what i've been telling you guys is CURRENTLY HAPPENING with this PETITION CAMPAIGN!!! HELLO IS ANYONE OUT THERE ACTUALLY LISTENING????



"We NEED ALL of US to not only campaign for Ron to get him thru the primaries as a Republican, but also AT the SAME Time, We ALL Need to become active in this so that we are prepared in advance for what they've done to us in their two party "system" So when that day comes WE HAVE A SAY in getting "someone" decent be it Ron or ________. To be in debates as a Independent:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?286013-Petition-Campaign-for-2012-Election!-What-do-you-think-about-quot-Americal-Elect-quot

Starting in CA, then from what I've been informed will spread nationally! Told the FL (miami/dade county) area will be opening up end of May. FL (orlando/central FL area, probably May/June).

Need to follow progress from this in ALL States & become active in it!"
 
Traditional Conservative said:
Such a party would simply take away votes from the Republican Party. They still wouldn't ever win anything.
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This^^ The establishment in both major parties and their assorted cronies have nothing to gain from allowing competition. Thus, it will never happen. Focus on local victories and pushing back against the fascists at the national level.
 
In the 2008 Presidential general election, the Libertarian and Constitution parties' nominees combined for 0.55% of the popular vote. So they would appear to be insignificant.
 
anaconda said:
In the 2008 Presidential general election, the Libertarian and Constitution parties' nominees combined for 0.55% of the popular vote. So they would appear to be insignificant.
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No strategically minded person will vote for a small third party because it's a logical impossibility to win.
 
We'd have to buy a major network in order to jumpstart a third party. A third party will simply be blacked out in terms of media exposure.
 
AuH20 said:
We'd have to buy a major network in order to jumpstart a third party. A third party will simply be blacked out in terms of media exposure.
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No doubt. However, if we did buy a major network, the other networks would run a major smear campaigns against it by saying the Radical Right Extremists have hijacked the XYZ Network.


The Council on Foreign Relations has a tight grip on the News outlets.

 
FrankRep said:
No strategically minded person will vote for a small third party because it's a logical impossibility to win.
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If their strategy is to grow the party or vote their conscience they would. I voted for Ron Paul in 2008 as an official write in candidate on the California ballot. I think the Tea Party and Ron Paul supporters might combine for a viable 3rd Party. My point was only that I don't know that getting Libertarian Party voters and Constitution Party voters on board would help significantly.
 
As a parallel effort to retaking the leadership of the GOP from neoconservatives and liberals, this idea is probably worth pursuing. Personally, I'm in favor of any initiative that involves surrounding our enemies.
 
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Traditional Conservative said:
Such a party would simply take away votes from the Republican Party. They still wouldn't ever win anything.
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And what has the Republican Party done differently than the Democratic Party? They talk like libertarians but govern like Democrats. This latest budget flop proves it. $33 billion is hardly anything to brag about. Republicans will just socialize us a little slower than the Democrats. The word "conservative" means to conserve the status quo, and that is pretty much what the Republicans are about, maintaining our corporatist/fascist government.

I say YES, open up a dialog with the CP, LP and any other libertarian leaning parties. I have no confidence in the Establishment controlled Republican Party. We need a truly independent party, the Establishment fears that for a good reason. They want us to support their Republican Party.

And if a third party fails, well at least we tried something different. But if it succeeds...
 
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