China Wants to Build a 50 Square Mile City in the US

[Cutlerzzz]

It's a foreign intrusion from a foreign government. There is no justification. It would seem that you are being purposefully oblivious to that fact. A foreign government cares only for its interest. Thats the big problem. What if down the future Americas existence is proved to be against its interest. What then?

They cannot just destroy a city. They cannot militarize it, and have to live within US jurisdiction while in said city. The people of Idaho believe they are better off because of this.

I also don't want to reward a person for breaking the law. Whats the purpose of a law if its not enforced? Whats the purpose of the Constitution if its not enforced

A bad law should not be followed. The Constitution does not give the Federal Government the authority to give anyone who wants to buy property a backround check.

 

[KingRobbStark]

And when the company reports you to the cops for flunking a piss test?

It's my impression that many, many jobs do.

Course, I'm in a very isolated job market that is mandated by law to drug test, so I could be wrong. My casual glancing around at businesses show that many require it.

What do other forum folks say: you drug tested at work? It is government mandated?

It would seem that you are confusing business with government.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

And when the company reports you to the cops for flunking a piss test?

It's my impression that many, many jobs do.

Course, I'm in a very isolated job market that is mandated by law to drug test, so I could be wrong. My casual glancing around at businesses show that many require it.

What do other forum folks say: you drug tested at work? It is government mandated?

So again, the problem is government, not business.

Per this guy, 1/3rd of jobs have drug testing(that blue is painful to look at).

http://www.hughlafollette.com/papers/drug.testing.htm

Without the war on drugs, I would imagine that only a fraction of that third would still have drug tests, and that most that would still have drug tests would not care about marijuana.

 

[KingRobbStark]

They cannot just destroy a city. They cannot militarize it, and have to live within US jurisdiction while in said city. The people of Idaho believe they are better off because of this.

A government lives within its own jurisdiction. I also believe that cities have the authority to create their own enforcers?

Really? I had no idea, have you been there?

A bad law should not be followed. The Constitution does not give the Federal Government the authority to give anyone who wants to buy property a backround check.

I agree, a bad law should not be followed. Though I believe that Constitutional rights should be given to those who believe in them.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Corporations and government are the same thing? I'm convinced.

Yes. Think of the Constitution as a corporate charter. It works pretty much the same way, except it gives even less freedom to shareholders ("citizens") than a corporate charter does.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

It's a foreign intrusion from a foreign government. There is no justification. It would seem that you are being purposefully oblivious to that fact. A foreign government cares only for its interest. Thats the big problem. What if down the future Americas existence is proved to be against its interest. What then?

Well, Americans can buy property offshore as it is. I'm pretty sure Americans can start businesses abroad as well. It would be kind of hypocritical to say foreigners can't do the same. The final decision would be up to the current landowner, though. (unfortunately, it's probably the gunvernment, which is almost entirely incapable of making good decisions)

 

[KingRobbStark]

Yes. Think of the Constitution as a corporate charter. It works pretty much the same way, except it gives even less freedom to shareholders ("citizens") than a corporate charter does.

Anyone can be as oppressive as the government. That's a moot point.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

A government lives within its own jurisdiction. I also believe that cities of the authority to create their own enforcers?

Really? I had no idea, have you been there?

State law generally trumps city law, and the Constitution applies as much here as it does anywhere else.

They would not agree to this if they did not believe they were better off.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Yes. Think of the Constitution as a corporate charter. It works pretty much the same way, except it gives even less freedom to shareholders ("citizens") than a corporate charter does.

The Constitution gives the government the ability to use violence though. A corporation cannot do so without the governments permission.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Well, Americans can buy property offshore as it is. I'm pretty sure Americans can start businesses abroad as well. It would be kind of hypocritical to say foreigners can't do the same. The final decision would be up to the current landowner, though. (unfortunately, it's probably the gunvernment, which is almost entirely incapable of making good decisions)

I agree with all of this.

 

[KingRobbStark]

Well, Americans can buy property offshore as it is. I'm pretty sure Americans can start businesses abroad as well. It would be kind of hypocritical to say foreigners can't do the same. The final decision would be up to the current landowner, though. (unfortunately, it's probably the gunvernment, which is almost entirely incapable of making good decisions)

I have no problem with other people from abroad investing, and buying property in this country. Though when foreign governments attempt to the same thing it becomes a problem.

 

[KingRobbStark]

State law generally trumps city law, and the Constitution applies as much here as it does anywhere else.

They would not agree to this if they did not believe they were better off.

You claim that the people of Idaho have no qualms with this project. Please elaborate.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

You claim that the people of Idaho have no qualms with this project. Please elaborate.

If they agree to it, they have no problem with it. It is a voluntary exchange.

 

[KingRobbStark]

If they agree to it, they have no problem with it. It is a voluntary exchange.

If they believe that there is no problem with a foreign government that can turn malicious at anytime, then that is their choice. Its within their right to make foolish choices.

 

[showpan]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to LibertyEagle again.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

Drug tests are required here for almost every job applied for. I only have to take a pee test but for most, they are hair tests that go back 6 months. For those who have completely shaven, they can and will pull one out of your ass if they can't find as much as a nose follicle. If you do not take them you will not be hired so in essence they are a violation of my not only my personal property rights but also a violation of my civil rights. Drug tests are not a consequence of the war on drugs, they are a product of insurance corporations who, have found another way to deny claims. Anyone that is injured must submit a sample onsite before they are even treated or sent to a hospital. A refusal means an automatic denial of any claims and a dirty test means the same. It doesn't matter when the drug was taken, as long as it is in your system, it's a positive under the 0 tolerance rule. It could have been a false positive from taking an over the counter medicines like Dimetapp that contains similar properties. You would then have to fight that one in a court.

A Chinese city would only be the first step as Amnesty renamed to "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is coming up for a vote...again.
It would not only just apply to Mexicans. Imagine a city with manufacturing plants that Americans will not be working.....our founding fathers would be ashamed of their fellow Americans who would allow such. What the hell did they even fight for if we were just going to give it all away, we should have just remained under British rule given the passive attitudes we have now.

 

[Jace]

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[Czolgosz]

Terminate centralized power, one way or another.

 

[MoneyInTheBank]

I haven't read this whole thread (I'm drunk at 7AM on a Sunday, what do you expect?). But maybe this would be a good thing. I want the biggest US companies feeling competition as close as possible to them.

The thing is, because of the burdensome regulation businesses have to deal with in the US, the major corporations have to deal with very little competition. What little guy is going to challenge Chrysler or Walmart? Maybe this will spark something and get motherfuckers back to work in the US.

Yeah they are Communist, but they are trying to make a buck and there is nothing wrong with that. I highly doubt that they will try to turn people in the US into communists. Shit, I think it is more likely that communists in the US will try to get Chinese workers to support them.

Who knows? This country is already fucked. Let's see what happens. There are a lot of things that are worse that could happen to us.

 

[MoneyInTheBank]

They are going to set up their "Special Economic Zones" just like the British did in Hong Kong...

Dude. FUCKING DUDE.

Hong Kong was colonized and in a short period they became an economic power and to this day is more free economically than the US.

China may colonize parts of Africa, but so what? Africa is a shithole and it has been that way for a long time. Inserting foreign companies into Africa to create cheap labor jobs would be better than living off subsistence farming and eating fucking dirt.

 

[Minlawc]

If you really think about it, depending on if it's done right, this is the best thing to happen for liberty in America. it creates competition. These Chinese cities will have every incentive to have a tax system like that of Hong Kong to attract American citizens. The surrounding US, state, and local government will have every incentive to reform there Tax code and spending habits to attract both the Chinese and American citizens who live in these cities. This competition doesn't only apply to fiscal issues.

If they don't have the right conditions, the only ones who will move there will be Chinese citizens, who will want to move to America. The city will turn out to be a waste and abandoned.

So, this plan will either be a dud, if done wrong, or a hit, if done right.