CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[Chieftain1776]

Musgrave....Musgrave....I saw that name somewhere today.

Oh yeah. Here it is:

http://saberinc.net/saber/about/mir.pdf

Past or current clients of SABER and Mr. Rothfeld include: Campaign for
Liberty, The National Right to Work Committee and Legal Defense Foundation,
Public Advocate of the U.S., Free Enterprise Fund, U.S. Congressman Marilyn
Musgrave (R-CO), U.S. Congressman Doug Lamborn for Congress (R-CO), Del. Mark Cole (VA), Del. Clay Athey, Del. Lee Ware (VA), Mike Farris for Lt. Governor,
the Republican Party of Virginia, Gun Owners of America, Oliver North for U.S.
Senate Committee and multiple state-level pro-life and pro-gun citizens’ organizations.
***

Apparently the fundraiser/educator guy for CFL, Michael Rothfeld, has some ties to Colorado politics. Hmmm.

Interesting.

Very interesting indeed! Excellent find!

I'm updating my theory yet again: I think Rothfeld was looking for some way to be a player in CO politics and figured out a loop hole on how to support Buck. He sought out the the money from the billionaire and offered to provide C4L as a front. He probably thought it was a clear win-win-win situation. And for him and his foreign policy views it was as LittleLightShining told us:

Hopper told me that he is a "cold warrior" and not supportive of the C4L's foreign policy position. I was told that he doesn't set political agenda or policy for C4L (just sends out frantic GOP talking point solicitations and directs strategy-- taking over the GOP). I was told that it shouldn't matter if he agrees with our principles. At which point my jaw dropped and I was ready to bang my head against the wall. In a nutshell I was told that there is no one out there who can fundraise or strategize that agrees with all of the guiding principles of C4L.

Yup this is troubling as the direction of organizations is about the Golden Rule: Those who bring in the gold make the rules. If Rothfeld is bringing in the fund-raising he will have a disproportionate influence on the message. LittleLightShining has been proven right about this Rothfeld character.

As for C4L itself we have to decide if it's foriegn policy views have been compromised. If the C4L website is any indicator then that is NOT the case as it's been consistently anti-war. BUT the website could be one thing for "stupid Paultards" like us and where the money actually goes could be another. Remember we have an eyewitness of Rothfeld saying "Don't donate to the candidates" and now seems like he's the primary mover SUPPORTING his pro-war (not necessarily neocon) candidate.

I'm sorry but at this point this is just a money maker for political hacks that couldn't make it anywhere else. I'm awaiting the statement but I don't trust the C4L to keep these pro-war people in line. Again this is just an early indicator we don't have any proof that liberty donors were bilked. It's just an indicator of where the C4L will go if Ron Paul departs from the scene. C4L imo should be a barebones organization at the national level.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Transaction ID: 9YU1739756945492G
Hello xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,

You sent a payment of $15.00 USD to Committee to Elect Glen Bradley ([email protected])

Huzzah!

Thanks Dannno! Between this and what's brewing for the 14th, I may well be able to get the campaign's whole supply of slimjims and bumper stickers. You have always been consistent and principled for as long as I have known you to post. I have so much more to say, but have been awake now for about 36 hours, and am starting to get befuddled

I posted today's totals plus the overal campaign totals in the minibomb thread, and you are a big part of helping me get there.

I'll be up at oh crack o dawn early with more updates, and assuredly more to say.

Thanks dannno, and thanks guys!

 

[JK/SEA]

Oh well..remember Lew Moore?

I sat about 20 yards away from Lew while he gave a little speech at the Washington State Republican Convention, and as a delegate i heard Lew tell everyone there that he supports the 'ticket' from top to bottom.

My heart sank.

I guess i'm just too idealistic, and always want to believe that people who are 'supposdly' on board, are also supportive of the 'principal' that Ron Paul talks of in relation to issues, and truly cares about the supporters who actually are on board, and not in it for self gain, as opposed to being in it for the Country, and the U.S. Constitution.

 

[KCIndy]

Today: $297.16
Total Donations: $2,122.19
Gift In Kind: $265.25
Total Receipts: $2,387.51

Hey, let's end the day on a positive note! Three dollars gets Gunny over the $300 mark for today's impromptu "money grenade" fund raiser!!

$3.00 !!!


Anyone?

Anyone???

 

[Bruno]

Hello Brian xxxxxx,
You sent a payment of $25.00 USD to Committee to Elect Glen Bradley.
This charge will appear on your credit card statement as payment to PAYPAL *COMMITTEEEL.

Insurance: ----
Total: $25.00 USD


Receipt No: 3633-8325-xxxx-xxxx
Please keep this receipt number for future reference. You'll need it if you contact customer service at Committee to Elect Glen Bradley or PayPal.

 

[KCIndy]

Hello Brian xxxxxx,
You sent a payment of $25.00 USD to Committee to Elect Glen Bradley.
This charge will appear on your credit card statement as payment to PAYPAL *COMMITTEEEL.

Insurance: ----
Total: $25.00 USD


Receipt No: 3633-8325-xxxx-xxxx
Please keep this receipt number for future reference. You'll need it if you contact customer service at Committee to Elect Glen Bradley or PayPal.

Woo-Hoooo!!!

Go Bruno!!

 

[ItsTime]

Bunch of followers.











































Jk. Glad this turned out to be a good day for Gunny, now he can get some slim jims or signs or something.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Hello Brian xxxxxx,
You sent a payment of $25.00 USD to Committee to Elect Glen Bradley.
This charge will appear on your credit card statement as payment to PAYPAL *COMMITTEEEL.

Insurance: ----
Total: $25.00 USD


Receipt No: 3633-8325-xxxx-xxxx
Please keep this receipt number for future reference. You'll need it if you contact customer service at Committee to Elect Glen Bradley or PayPal.

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

Thanks Bruno, I'm barely here right now, too long awake -- I'll have more to say tomorrow when I'm actually awake, but thank you.

Today: $322.16
Total Donations: $2,147.19
Gifts In Kind: $265.25
Total Receipts: $2,412.51

 

[Bruno]

You're welcome, Gunny!

 

[Todd]

The way I see it is that if we are going to learn from our mistakes then we've got to take some action to get us focused. Is an early money bomb too much to ask for a friend in need?

Sorry it took so long, but it's been a busy day and I just got round to this....but here you go Gunny!

Hello Todd

You sent a payment of $20.00 USD to Committee to Elect Glen Bradley

 

[Anti Federalist]

What a pro war candidate will get for you.

YouTube - Ron Paul Our Power Our Responsibility

 

[dr. hfn]

Tate/Rothfeld 2012!

 

[rockandrollsouls]

No offense, but this isn't a "donate to gunny" thread. If you wish to discuss that, please start a new topic.

I'm not so sure one should be using that as a way to take the focus of of CFL. This is a very big issue....and it seems like you guys are just glazing over it.

 

[MsDoodahs]

AntiFed, that is my all time favorite RP video.

 

[Anti Federalist]

AntiFed, that is my all time favorite RP video.

I just dug it back up for another thread and couldn't resist posting it here, what with all the traffic and apropos to what a war candidate will get you.

Glad to have brought it back for you.

 

[Promontorium]

Still nothing from C4L? They don't even have the decency to communicate with their people? This is beyond insulting, this is disregard.

I'm ending my ties with C4L. I was there for you Ron Paul, 3 days after C4L's inception, I joined up. Now it ends

 

[manystrom]

This is now on the front page of the Daily Paul

Thank you to the RP Forums community for breaking this story. It is now on the front page of the Daily Paul, where it will stay, until we get some answers.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/123033

But let me be clear: I stand with Ron Paul.

He's not the quirky little Congressman from Texas who can say and do what he wants and no one cares any more.

This is high stakes politics. This is the big show. Dr. Paul is under tremendous pressure. In this game, anything goes.

I will reserve judgment until I hear from the C4L on the matter at hand.

I still support Ron Paul. I understand the C4L and Ron Paul are separate entities. Ron Paul is a Congressman. He has a job to do. He is a visionary. The amount of time he can devote to overseeing this political entity is limited. I understand that.

People came down on Dr. P. because of that thing about supporting Texas incumbents. Well, I know the pressure he is under, simply because I have a good imagination, and I know what I have experienced running this site. His popularity means that everyone is grabbing and clawing at him. Everyone wants something from him.

I am only able to image this because of the microcosm I have experienced in running this website.

Maybe I'm stupid. Maybe I'm naive. Maybe I'm going to get my heart broken like it has never been broken before. Maybe I'll piss Dr. Paul off and be estranged from him forever.

It doesn't matter. Let the chips fall where they may.

The only thing I have is my self respect. In the end, it is the only thing any of us have.

I want some information from the C4L about what they're doing with our money. If it is not our money, then why are they selling their name, and by association, our name.

Someone on the RP Forums said it best: Foreign Policy is an area that WE DON'T COMPROMISE. It is what unites us all. It even unites us with the lefty peaceniks. It is what unites us with other AMERICANS.

I'm not going to sell that out.

I've kept my tongue tied over the C4L for long enough out of respect for Dr. Paul. But there is no point in valuing his self respect over my own for any longer. Dr. Paul is, and always will be, forever in my mind, the greatest hero I have ever known in my generation.

I have never respected an American president. The first one I can remember is Nixon. You can go through the list: Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama. Johnson was president when I was born.

Who among these men can I respect? None.

Ron Paul is my only hero in the political realm. I realize he is in a difficult position. So am I. Welcome to politics.

I'm not a playah. I want answers.

 

[MRoCkEd]

Michael, if you read through this whole thread you will realize they did not give $350,000 to him.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

My State Coordinator called and spoke to me in length tonight. They had a major phone call today with John Tate and the State Coordinators due to my thread on the C4L forums, and the phone calls they had received. From what I gathered NONE of the State leadership (including Colorado) were aware of this at all and are all equally upset. Mr. Tate told them that he should have a response to everyone's concerns tomorrow. The State Coordinator sounded genuinely upset with the situation. I let him know that I may still get involved in local things, or even State level but my support for C4L on a National level will take much explaining, some actual actions and not just words, and many changes before the wounds can even begin to heal.

So now we wait and see what tomorrow will bring.

 

[Anti Federalist]

My State Coordinator called and spoke to me in length tonight. They had a major phone call today with John Tate and the State Coordinators due to my thread on the C4L forums, and the phone calls they had received. From what i gathered NONE of the State leadership (including Colorado) were aware of this at all and are all equally upset. Mr. Tate told them that he should have a response to everyone's concerns tomorrow. The State Coordinator sounded genuinely upset with the situation. I let him know that I may still get involved in local things, or even State level but my support for C4L level will take much explaining, some actual actions and not just words, and many changes before the wounds can even begin to heal.

So now we wait and see what tomorrow will bring.

Well done!