CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[Meatwasp]

Well, we shall see. There is a board of directors and if they care about him AT ALL they were thinking of him and kept him out of this debacle.

I don't want Dr. Paul to be dragged through the mud but I REALLY don't trust this group of people running C4L. I don't think they give a rat's ass about wht kind of damage they're doing with this whole thing. I don't think they care because they don't care about the principles of the organization they are working for. Debbie Hopper busted up the CP over abortion and she could care less whether Rothfeld agrees with us on foreign policy. Foreign Policy is the one plank of our platform that should never be compromised. It is what binds all of us. left and right, together in our support of Ron Paul.

If Debbie is quick to dismiss my concerns and try to shut me down-- little old me-- what makes anyone think she gives a rat's ass about what any of us think? They weren't making any money til Rothfeld came on board. The people who were there before they made money was us. apparently it wasn't enough to have a motivated group of fired up activists ready to go. They needed money. And when Rothfeld proved he could get the money without the activists that was the end of that.

The whole thing is sad. There is always a loud mouth rotten egg in every organization. I hope Rothfelt gets kicked out.
My old saying goes here again "Once deceived never assured."

 

[Brian4Liberty]

That’s not the only theory. In the comments thread of a Colorado Independent story this week, a Norton supporter offered a preview of the kind of whispering attacks that Buck might come under as his grassroots candidacy builds steam. The commenter suggests the ad was the work of wealthy Colorado gay-rights activist Tim Gill who, the theory goes, is supporting Buck because last year Buck chose to prosecute the murder of transgender Greeley resident Angie Zapata as a hate crime.

There we go. It's the mystery billionaire!

 

[LittleLightShining]

Gill is also famous for knocking out a slew of conservative state legislators in Iowa to install a pro-homosexual marriage backstop to protect their supreme court's gay marriage ruling. Plus he pretty much single-handedly took out Marilyn Musgrave in 2008.

Wow, if C4L is taking money from this guy they've just totally lost any credibility they might have had with the social conservatives. Where are my muckboots. Hoooooly crap.

 

[gls]

That guy is mentioned in 2 threads on rpfs:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2083848


And evidently he is a huge political donor.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=549750

The fact that Buck supports "hate crime" legislation is one of the biggest points against him in my book. Otherwise he doesn't seem half bad. At least I'm sure he's much better than his McCain/McConnell hand-picked primary opponent. Some excerpts from an interview:

http://www.businessword.com/index.p...hael_bennet_would_be_a_rubber_stamp_not_a_le/

QUESTION;
Under Bush, Democrats attacked his Iraq war strategy. Now, some Republicans and Democrats are attacking Obama’s review of his Afghanistan war strategy. How far should senators and congressmen go in questioning a president’s foreign policy and war strategies?

ANSWER;
I think it is absolutely wrong to engage in war without the declaration of war by Congress. I would be a very strong advocate for following the Constitution. Senators and Congress have a role in determining military spending. The Congress plays a role in foreign policy."

"I would fight very hard for a federal balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. We would have to fight over budget items rather than continue to increase the budget. There is no way to rein in the greed of Congress.

I think the Federal government has overstepped in education, transportation and other programs that are not within the intended purposes of the Federal government. No specifics. I think the Constitution is a rule book, and we have to look closely at the rule book. The government is trying to be all things to all people, not following the Constitution.

We have as of Friday a $1.42 trillion budget deficit–a record. Just cutting a $100 million program is not a solution. We need to change the structure rather than focus on individual programs. When I’m in the Senate, I’ll be glad to tell you what programs should go.

I think we are over regulating energy. I think we would be better off if the markets were determining whether nuclear and natural gas were cost efficient and met the country’s needs. I think we’re over regulating housing in the Community Reinvestment Act–as an example of social engineering.

I can’t think of any market that needs more regulation.

I attribute failures in markets to over regulation.

I don’t believe we should have corporations that are too big to fail. If they are too big fail, we should apply anti-trust laws to them rather than subsidize them with taxpayers’ money. We have the laws in place. We need to have the will to pursue the laws.

[In the health insurance and health care markets,] I think the more competition the better, and taking away anti-trust exemptions from insurers would help slow the rate of rising costs in health.

I think what the Fed is doing [in letting the dollar sink] is incredibly reckless and will ultimately lead to an economic crisis in this country. I think the dollar has to be allowed to rise. I don’t know how high. We are looking to an inflationary period that will be very dangerous to middle class families.

I support a audit of the Fed to make sure there are no conflicts of interest. The Fed needs feedback, not control necessarily, from the political sphere.

 

[Chieftain1776]

There we go. It's the mystery billionaire!

 

[dannno]

Transaction ID: 9YU1739756945492G
Hello xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,

You sent a payment of $15.00 USD to Committee to Elect Glen Bradley ([email protected])

 

[Anti Federalist]

You can trust Bryan and I. We have nothing to do with Mossad.



Who am I kidding? Trust no one!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Now ya'll know why I quit the NRA years ago.

:-/

 

[MsDoodahs]

Gill is also famous for knocking out a slew of conservative state legislators in Iowa to install a pro-homosexual marriage backstop to protect their supreme court's gay marriage ruling. Plus he pretty much single-handedly took out Marilyn Musgrave in 2008.

Musgrave....Musgrave....I saw that name somewhere today.

Oh yeah. Here it is:

http://saberinc.net/saber/about/mir.pdf

Past or current clients of SABER and Mr. Rothfeld include: Campaign for
Liberty, The National Right to Work Committee and Legal Defense Foundation,
Public Advocate of the U.S., Free Enterprise Fund, U.S. Congressman Marilyn
Musgrave (R-CO), U.S. Congressman Doug Lamborn for Congress (R-CO), Del. Mark Cole (VA), Del. Clay Athey, Del. Lee Ware (VA), Mike Farris for Lt. Governor,
the Republican Party of Virginia, Gun Owners of America, Oliver North for U.S.
Senate Committee and multiple state-level pro-life and pro-gun citizens’ organizations.
***

Apparently the fundraiser/educator guy for CFL, Michael Rothfeld, has some ties to Colorado politics. Hmmm.

Interesting.

 

[Reason]

I still want to know what kind of survey is worth $350,000.

Survey: "Question 1: Are you a neocon?"

Buck: "Answer: Yes"

CFL: "Wow, cool. Here's three-hundred and fifty thousand dollars."


I mean, really, what the hell?

My understanding is that the money was given under conditions on what it could be used for and these conditions were that it be used for that candidate in CO.

C4L Said that Buck scored very high on their positions survey.

The explanation for the delay in the release of a statement is that they need to be careful with the legalities concerned in releasing information about donors, money, etc..

 

[UtahApocalypse]

My understanding is that the money was given under conditions on what it could be used for and these conditions were that it be used for that candidate in CO.

C4L Said that Buck scored very high on their positions survey.

The explanation for the delay in the release of a statement is that they need to be careful with the legalities concerned in releasing information about donors, money, etc..

I don't care if the billionaire dropped in on C4L offering everything we need ever paid off in exchange for this ad. You DO NOT sell you soul to the devil!! This guy is a neocon and it is inexcusable

 

[AuH2O]

Musgrave....Musgrave....I saw that name somewhere today.

Oh yeah. Here it is:

http://saberinc.net/saber/about/mir.pdf

Past or current clients of SABER and Mr. Rothfeld include: Campaign for
Liberty, The National Right to Work Committee and Legal Defense Foundation,
Public Advocate of the U.S., Free Enterprise Fund, U.S. Congressman Marilyn
Musgrave (R-CO), U.S. Congressman Doug Lamborn for Congress (R-CO), Del. Mark Cole (VA), Del. Clay Athey, Del. Lee Ware (VA), Mike Farris for Lt. Governor,
the Republican Party of Virginia, Gun Owners of America, Oliver North for U.S.
Senate Committee and multiple state-level pro-life and pro-gun citizens’ organizations.
***

Apparently the fundraiser/educator guy for CFL, Michael Rothfeld, has some ties to Colorado politics. Hmmm.

Interesting.

So you're saying that this Colorado millionaire has teamed up with someone who worked for a Congresswoman he spent millions to defeat?

 

[Reason]

I don't care if the billionaire dropped in on C4L offering everything we need ever paid off in exchange for this ad. You DO NOT sell you soul to the devil!! This guy is a neocon and it is inexcusable

We do not know where the money came from at this point.

That was not disclosed during my phone convo with CFL admin.

 

[MelissaWV]

$11,666.67 per second to post up some stock footage of Lady Liberty and blah blah blah some basic facts that sound like leftovers from a Palin speech (those darned Washington insiders!)...

Woof.

I hadn't been able to view the ad until now, but I find myself wondering why they needed the spokesperson if the surveys were the point. I don't know anything about the survey from watching it. I "know" about Buck and his "stand" on issues (not really, but I know what the ad says about him).

Someone messed up... really, really bigtime.

 

[Reason]

$11,666.67 per second to post up some stock footage of Lady Liberty and blah blah blah some basic facts that sound like leftovers from a Palin speech (those darned Washington insiders!)...

Woof.

I hadn't been able to view the ad until now, but I find myself wondering why they needed the spokesperson if the surveys were the point. I don't know anything about the survey from watching it. I "know" about Buck and his "stand" on issues (not really, but I know what the ad says about him).

Someone messed up... really, really bigtime.

My understanding is that the cost was irrelevant because the money would not have been able to be used for anything else anyway.

 

[rancher89]

Transaction ID: 9YU1739756945492G
Hello xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,

You sent a payment of $15.00 USD to Committee to Elect Glen Bradley ([email protected])

Thank you danno!

 

[specsaregood]

So you're saying that this Colorado millionaire has teamed up with someone who worked for a Congresswoman he spent millions to defeat?

If you can't beat em, join em? Just because he worked for a candidate doesn't mean they are attached to them, its just business for many.

 

[rancher89]

Musgrave....Musgrave....I saw that name somewhere today.

Oh yeah. Here it is:

http://saberinc.net/saber/about/mir.pdf

Past or current clients of SABER and Mr. Rothfeld include: Campaign for
Liberty, The National Right to Work Committee and Legal Defense Foundation,
Public Advocate of the U.S., Free Enterprise Fund, U.S. Congressman Marilyn
Musgrave (R-CO), U.S. Congressman Doug Lamborn for Congress (R-CO), Del. Mark Cole (VA), Del. Clay Athey, Del. Lee Ware (VA), Mike Farris for Lt. Governor,
the Republican Party of Virginia, Gun Owners of America, Oliver North for U.S.
Senate Committee and multiple state-level pro-life and pro-gun citizens’ organizations.
***

Apparently the fundraiser/educator guy for CFL, Michael Rothfeld, has some ties to Colorado politics. Hmmm.

Interesting.

Agreed.

To be perfectly clear here, I am not on a witch hunt, I'm a parent, and as a parent I taught my child to own up to his mistakes quickly. It is polite and proper to do so and expected from all my friends and family. Forgiveness is easier when admittance is quick.

A simple "we have a problem here that we haven't gotten to the root of, and we are working hard to track it down as fast as possible" would have worked for me this morning, say at 10 or 11 AM. It might have kept me chilled til Monday, we'll never know now.

C4L is acting like a passive agressive little child who didn't expect to get caught. Shame on them. They held a State Coordinators conf call today to discuss this, I wonder how many were on this conf. call and what was said. "Don't tell the members, but......" Shame.

My last post til Monday on this subject. Donate to candidates folks, specially Glen! Keep it positive and if all in-house till we know the skinny. Off to drink some home brew....and bottle wine! WOOT!

 

[LittleLightShining]

I'm having a really hard time accepting that this money needed to be used in a very specific way for a specific candidate. This ad reeeeally pushes the envelope as far as the line between advertising a survey and endorsing a candidate goes.

And I do find it interesting that Saber has been involved recently with Colorado politics. I smell a favor.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Agreed.

To be perfectly clear here, I am not on a witch hunt, I'm a parent, and as a parent I taught my child to own up to his mistakes quickly. It is polite and proper to do so and expected from all my friends and family. Forgiveness is easier when admittance is quick.

A simple "we have a problem here that we haven't gotten to the root of, and we are working hard to track it down as fast as possible" would have worked for me this morning, say at 10 or 11 AM. It might have kept me chilled til Monday, we'll never know now.

C4L is acting like a passive agressive little child who didn't expect to get caught. Shame on them. They held a State Coordinators conf call today to discuss this, I wonder how many were on this conf. call and what was said. "Don't tell the members, but......" Shame.

My last post til Monday on this subject. Donate to candidates folks, specially Glen! Keep it positive and if all in-house till we know the skinny. Off to drink some home brew....and bottle wine! WOOT!

You hit the hammer on the nail. I would love for someone to break the silence.