CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[Baptist]

Even if they didn't spend $350,000 on this one guy, they still wasted $350,000 on a stupid survey. Seriously, us here at RPFs could have done a silly survey for a few thousand dollars.

It's time to open the books and show how the money is being spent. If anything, it will help prevent situations like this from arising in the future.

 

[AuH2O]

Even if they didn't spend $350,000 on this one guy, they still wasted $350,000 on a stupid survey. Seriously, us here at RPFs could have done a silly survey for a few thousand dollars.

It's time to open the books and show how the money is being spent. If anything, it will help prevent situations like this from arising in the future.

I'm not sure you understand everything that goes into a federal and state candidate survey program.

 

[reardenstone]

My State Coordinator called and spoke to me in length tonight. They had a major phone call today with John Tate and the State Coordinators due to my thread on the C4L forums, and the phone calls they had received. From what I gathered NONE of the State leadership (including Colorado) were aware of this at all and are all equally upset. Mr. Tate told them that he should have a response to everyone's concerns tomorrow. The State Coordinator sounded genuinely upset with the situation. I let him know that I may still get involved in local things, or even State level but my support for C4L on a National level will take much explaining, some actual actions and not just words, and many changes before the wounds can even begin to heal.

So now we wait and see what tomorrow will bring.

So if no one knows where the money came from is it possible that locals merely co-opted C4L and pushed someone of their choice that would also serve the purpose of castrating C4L?

 

[dr. hfn]

http://coloradoindependent.com/46727/ken-buck-campaign-ad-stirs-up-supporters-and-speculation

MORE NEWS!

 

[Knightskye]

This is from the CFL forums, from the 'interim state coordinator' in Michigan:

I would ask that you have patience. A statement is being prepared and will be released soon. Myself and many other good people have been working for 1 to 2 years for our cause with no pay at all. Completely volunteer work. I know myself and many others have given up most comforts in life and dedicated almost every waking moment for the liberty we all crave. I've spent my own savings and sacrafice much. I do it because I love our country and I love our liberty.



Please, don't throw us under the bus just yet.



Tony DeMott

Michigan State Coordinator.

 

[RonPaulCult]

It really does appear that CFL has whored itself. And while I will wait for a statement before I judge, the fact that it has taken THIS LONG for one to be released shows that the people in charge don't know what the hell they are doing.

They should step down. Heads should roll.

Just my opinion. I really don't have anything to do with CFL but it makes us all look bad.

 

[Promontorium]

Despite what's being said as "leaks" from C4L, the facts are still right in front of us.

C4L has already claimed to have spent this money. If they didn't, then they lied. C4L explained that it was spent to promote a survey.

These facts have been disputed, but not by CFL because they are the ones that made those claims.

Trusting C4L, I think they need to explain why so much was spent for so little a purpose as some election in Colorado, or does C4L plan on running these kinds of ads across the nation?

Again C4L has already repeatedly claimed they paid for the ads. IF they didn't, then they lied, but they have never denied this.

We have seen absolutely no official response from C4L since this issue came up. None. Not even a "stand by".

Sure some people have come along and said "I work for C4L and..."

We all pretty much work for C4L. I'm not impressed.

The thread on the C4L website set a 24 hour window. I supported that, and have since dropped myself completely from C4L.

I know many have been very angry about this issue, and I know many have tried to come up with answers, but only an official statement could begin to resolve this, and until then, I support keeping this issue alive. Keep it alive until there's no one left in the Campaign for Liberty (formerly the "Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty") to put out a statement.

 

[akforme]

This is from the CFL forums, from the 'interim state coordinator' in Michigan:

That's a CYA poor me letter. I think some people worked a lot more house than just 2 to come up with the money that was spent.

 

[akforme]

This is why I'm a libertarian. Fuck any other party would not only not care, they'd promote buck just to "win"

Principal over power is why I support Ron Paul, and why I trust his judgment.

Thanks everyone for speaking out. This is how it's done.

 

[dr. hfn]

the money was from "new donors" and was earmarked by these "new donors" to only be spent on this candidate/ad...the money did not come from the general pool of donations...the "new donors" is apparently this guy: http://coloradoindependent.com/46727/ken-buck-campaign-ad-stirs-up-supporters-and-speculation (Tim Gill)

 

[qwerty]

Why don´t you wait and see what C4L says about this ?

BTW, C4L doesn´t lose much if it looses few trolls from this board who probably wasn´t even activists at all (Don´t mean all of you, just few dramaqueens).

 

[purplechoe]

 

[runningdiz]

Why don´t you wait and see what C4L says about this ?

BTW, C4L doesn´t lose much if it looses few trolls from this board who probably wasn´t even activists at all (Don´t mean all of you, just few dramaqueens).

yeah good point... I hope people also realize this thread is being viewed heavily by outsiders (over 24,000 views) so I hope people can keep that in mind before they speak. People are obviously linking into the thread from somewhere.

I vaguely get what is going on but I don't have the time to read an entire 70 page thread. Hope the rumor is true that C4L is going to address the issue soon and clarify things.

 

[purplechoe]

"Have you seen this man?" - how about we start a chip in to put adds on milk cartons...

 

[purplechoe]

 

[akforme]

yeah good point... I hope people also realize this thread is being viewed heavily by outsiders (over 24,000 views) so I hope people can keep that in mind before they speak. People are obviously linking into the thread from somewhere.

I vaguely get what is going on but I don't have the time to read an entire 70 page thread. Hope the rumor is true that C4L is going to address the issue soon and clarify things.

I think that's good tho. It means we don't stand for it for a second and it's what make me proud to be a Ron Paul supporter.

This thread is just another example as to why I trust this movement.

 

[rancher89]

AntiFed, that is my all time favorite RP video.

Mine too! Thanks A-F <3

 

[jmdrake]

the money was from "new donors" and was earmarked by these "new donors" to only be spent on this candidate/ad...the money did not come from the general pool of donations...the "new donors" is apparently this guy: http://coloradoindependent.com/46727/ken-buck-campaign-ad-stirs-up-supporters-and-speculation (Tim Gill)

This is a good news / bad news thing. From the article Tim Gill supposedly donated the money as thanks for Buck making use of "hate crimes" laws. Last time I checked Paul was on record against hate crimes legislation.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-02/r...s-bill-a-serious-threat-to-freedom-of-speech/

Of course the crime in question should be prosecuted, but why not just treat it as a murder? And as senator would Buck support expansion of such legislation in the future? And imagine how this could be spun against the CFL?

 

[werdd]

CFL - You are not getting a dime from me until this is cleared up, or your senior staff is fired. 350K on a survey?

 

[smashysmashy]

This is from the CFL forums, from the 'interim state coordinator' in Michigan:

How long does it really take to prepare a statement? C4L keeps on ignoring my (our) pleas and questions. They are speaking more to the media than to us.

C4L is about as transparent as the Obomba administration. I am a disgusted and disenfranchised almost-ex-member. I say almost-ex because I will hold out for their explanation, but their failure to produce it in an extremely timely fashion speaks wonders about their lack of transparency.

Even if they have a reasonable and satisfactory explanation, I have learned far too much about the inner workings of C4L to be very comfortable with them. No more support and no more contributions from me until they take a serious look at their lack of transparency and come up with a good model we can be proud of.

I am just absolutely heartbroken and I feel duped. Thanks guys and gals for bringing this to our attention and keeping up this awesome homegrown investigation.