CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[phill4paul]

I see a nice little trend here.

What say we take a negative and turn it into a positive for guys like Gunny.

QFT! I am starting to see some traffic on Gunnys Money Bomb page now and will be updating the thermometer soon!

Thanks so much for everyone that is chipping in. Adam and Tina thanks so much for your spoken support of Gunny! We truly need guys like him in the State assembly.

I loathe negativity.

Therefore, + $15.00 to Gunny.

Matchmeplz.

I've pledged to match BrandonYates and I'll take you up on yours also Paulitical Correctness! Now get over to the pledge site and fill in the info!

And to everyone else that has pledged their support here I ask that you, please, take the time to also fill out the pledge info. It is important in that it helps give Gunny a way of seeing if the goals are being met and where he is standing. Additionally nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd.

The thermometer has to be updated manually by the developer. I let Gunny know that I will update it in $100 increments. We are currently standing at $200 dollars and I will update that as soon as possible.

Thanks everyone. As Todd mentioned let's turn this negative into a positive. When it comes to donations you know Glen will use each and every dollar in a positive way.

Thanks.

 

[Todd]

I second this! While a "national" organization may be more flashy, it has way, way more unknowns like we've clearly seen.

That's one of the reasons I liked the meetup concept during the primaries. All that was required was using the internet for communications in the region and more people actually became involved. It's always been more than about how much money people could give. No need to give it all to a mega organization. Keep the money local or give directly to the candidate is the best advice I've heard lately.

 

[rancher89]

Kudos!!!

 

[devil21]

No. I don't think you realize how bad this will be. If CFL comes down as a Ron Paul sponsered crooky organization with RP's knowledge and or participation the thought of sending money to any of these other candidate makes me want to puke. If RP can't be trusted I sure as hell am not going to be donating to people like Medina, Schiff, Kokesh. I have had thirty years to watch and double check RP, so if he is running a fly by night organization then you can't even begin to sell me on any other candidate I have only heard bits and pieces of for the last few years.

This RP liberty movement will come to one big assed screaching halt without a doubt.

It is not just about getting even with some top down organization called CFL it will be bringing down RP.
If I can't trust RP there isn't anyone on this forum or in the movement I will ever trust.

I swear, do you ever have anything positive to post? This is about as absurd a post as Ive seen. The CFL being infiltrated by a few people of questionable goals has little to do with RP himself, or other Liberty candidates. Are you suggesting Ron hired these people himself with input from Rand, Schiff, Adam, etc? Get a grip dude.

 

[Austin]

Meanwhile, YAL spends money in Kentucky...

http://www.yaliberty.org/kentucky

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Hope those of you that contributed learned your lesson; Do your research, follow the money, and know how the organization operates.

I did my research, came to the conclusion CFL wasn't as great as everyone was proclaiming, railed against it, and received a mountain of posts and messages against me.

Honestly, I'm not all that upset. CFL wasn't doing great work and this could have been seen from miles away. I, and some others here, saw it and warned you.

All I can say is that's what you get. Practice what you preach now....personal responsibility and accountability.

Now if the bulk of you are done throwing money at a corrupt organization, proclaiming it furthers the cause of liberty to clear your conscience, I'd suggest working locally and taking over the party from the ground up (mayor of your town, council members, etc.)

It's not difficult to change the minds of a significant portion of people in your community, and you don't need a centralized national organization to do it. It's completely counter productive. Perhaps we need some modern thinking in regard to accomplishing goals; The Pareto principle, maybe? 80% of the results come from 20% of the work? 80% of our success will come from 20% of our work...so try to work that how you will. Maybe focus nearly all of our efforts in 20% of the country, rather than the whole? Maybe focus 80% of our efforts in small communities or towns (20% of the whole picture), which could bring us 80% of our results?

The idea now should be to isolate what "20%" creates "80%" of our results.

Fact of the matter is we really don't have a game plan. Giving money to an organization so they can redistribute it to various places is not a game plan. However, if one were to discover 20% of goverment (ie, taking over small communities, much more achievable) would create an uprising leading to 80% of our results, that would be great. I'm not saying this is it, but it's time we start targeting what actually works instead of trusting idiots like CFL.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Followup:

Or, perhaps, focus 80% of our effort in 20% of the primaries....save your money, promote a liberty candidate in the primaries. Doug Wead suggested this, if I recall. It's not that hard...we don't need CFL.

 

[klamath]

Ugh, I'm just as upset as anyone about the CFL's ivory tower methodology and complete disrespect for the grassroots, but I think it's way too soon to assume the absolute worst, that the CFL as a whole is a "crooky, fly-by-night" organization. Even if that's the case, the liberty movement will still survive, but you're right that Ron Paul's credibility would be lost forever, and it would cost all of us dearly. I truly hope nothing like this is the case, but if it turns out this way, we can pretty much rest assured that someone deliberately engineered the whole thing for the express purpose of ruining Paul's reputation and crushing us. We've all known for a long time that Paul is too trusting of other people, so the stage was already set for someone to create a true scandal in his name. I just hope that it hasn't happened, and that it never will. In any case, it's way too early to assume this of all things.

This isn't the first time people have accused RP of working with crooks. There are a lot of insinuations poping up in these threads and yes the liberty movement will be over for me. My wallet will be snapping shut to never open again for any liberty organization or candidate.
It is one thing to suspect this organizatiion of incompetence and getting off track on ideology but once people start implying there is illegalities they better hope they are wrong

 

[vegaspilot03]

Word.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The plot thickens...

and....... lets fight those terrorists over there!

Wasn't his Cheney connection already out? (Cheney hired him as a lawyer during Iran/Contra affair). I thought I saw that posted already.

In his video he calls for declarations of war, which his Primary opponents probably haven't said. Lesser of 3 evils again. Just sayin'. :o

Did you see his other opponent's (Tom Wiens) stands?:

http://www.tomwiens.com/issues/details.asp?Issue_Id=11

Foreign policy

Nothing threatens the stability of the world more than the possibility of a nuclear-armed Iran. And make no mistake; Iran's nuclear program is aimed at one thing: developing nuclear weapons. Iran's leader has said that Israel must be wiped off the map. A nuclear armed Iran with aggressive intentions against one of the most faithful and staunch of U.S. allies should be a matter of grave concern. The U.S. should consider sanctions, and other means, including military means to stop Iran from threatening its neighbors, especially our ally Israel.

http://www.tomwiens.com/issues/details.asp?Issue_Id=10

War in Iraq and Afghanistan

We can't allow states like Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia to become threats to free commerce and the safety and security of the world. The only thing extremist terrorists understand is force. The pattern has been established: when the US remains firm in dealing with terror, terrorism recedes; when the US vacillates, then terror moves boldly forward. Our surge strategy in Iraq worked, but we must demand that in every military action that the American people fully understand the necessity of our action and what our strategy is to win. We can fight wars by half measures. It's not right to put our soldiers in harm's way, when the politicians themselves have no clear strategy for victory.

 

[AuH2O]

Did you see his other opponent's (Tom Wiens) stands?:

Operation Somali Freedom!

 

[eOs]

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Operation Somali Freedom!

Yeah, you gotta love that. Tom Wiens is keeping his positions up to date with the latest terrist States!

 

[specsaregood]

I loathe negativity.
Therefore, + $15.00 to Gunny.
Matchmeplz.

Done
$25 sent to Gunny.

 

[klamath]

I swear, do you ever have anything positive to post? This is about as absurd a post as Ive seen. The CFL being infiltrated by a few people of questionable goals has little to do with RP himself, or other Liberty candidates. Are you suggesting Ron hired these people himself with input from Rand, Schiff, Adam, etc? Get a grip dude.

Wow man all these threads are such positive threads. No I am not implying it but others are. They need to know the difference between incompetence,, different ideology or strategy and insinuation of wrong doing. When people start accusing CFL of crookery it will bring RP down because he selected and picked all the leaders of CFL.

 

[phill4paul]

Done
$25 sent to Gunny.

 

[Mini-Me]

This isn't the first time people have accused RP of working with crooks. There are a lot of insinuations poping up in these threads and yes the liberty movement will be over for me. My wallet will be snapping shut to never open again for any liberty organization or candidate.

klamath, the liberty movement is not about shelling out money. It never really was, and I think focusing so much on that has hurt us anyway. At its core, the liberty movement is about an idea, and activism is about educating people and taking back control at the local, grassroots level, to build a foundation for taking back the country. This whole thing has been going on a lot longer than the Ron Paul campaign, a lot longer than money bombs, and even a lot longer than any of us have been alive. As long as the ideals of liberty live in at least one person, the liberty movement will never die. Even the worst debacles are only setbacks...even if they're big ones.

It is one thing to suspect this organizatiion of incompetence and getting off track on ideology but once people start implying there is illegalities they better hope they are wrong

I'm with you here.

 

[klamath]

klamath, the liberty movement is not about shelling out money. It never really was, and I think focusing so much on that has hurt us anyway. At its core, the liberty movement is about an idea, and activism is about educating people and taking back control at the local, grassroots level, to build a foundation for taking back the country. This whole thing has been going on a lot longer than the Ron Paul campaign, a lot longer than money bombs, and even a lot longer than any of us have been alive. As long as the ideals of liberty live in at least one person, the liberty movement will never die. Even the worst debacles are only setbacks...even if they're big ones.


I'm with you here.

The wallet comment is in reference to donating to other candidates. If I can't trust RP I don't know why I should trust the others.
And yes the liberty movement will go on as it has been going on since the magna carta but the RP liberty movement will die if CFL is stacked with crooks by RP.

 

[Civilradiant_palm_pre]

talked to a high up @ CFL,

He said a statement will be out by the end of the day.

The money did not come from the gen. Fund aka individual donations, it came from a group in co and was earmarked to be used for this candidate who apparently passed with a very high score their survey.

I gotta go, class starting now, I will add that he was very sincere and apologetic and I trust him.

BBL

 

[rancher89]

talked to a high up @ CFL,

He said a statement will be out by the end of the day.

The money did not come from the gen. Fund aka individual donations, it came from a group in co and was earmarked to be used for this candidate who apparently passed with a very high score their survey.

I gotta go, class starting now, I will add that he was very sincere and apologetic and I trust him.

BBL

WTF???
You are better off posting NOTHING than posting stuff like this and then running off!!