CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[revolutionary8]

LOL -- except that I can conceive of possible scenarios without automatically assuming that they must be true

By Friday close of business we had BETTER get a response on this from John Tate or Ron Paul himself.

Ron Paul, at least, I trust cannot be bought at any price.

Ron Paul isn't "in on it". THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT (of a 501c3). Like it or not, that is how it is. That is what is so fucked up. "wE" MADE THE "LAWS"!!!!
WE send our money to RON and he has nothing to do with it because he can't!

HEADS SHOULD ROLL.

PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES.

I MAX MY SHIT, and I get THIS???


THE BOARD SHOULD BE DISSOLVED. IE. LIQUIDATED. In that special case, the board should have BYLAWS re; what should happen if the board is dissolved.

Once the board (ie the heiracrchy) is LIQUIDATED, THEN, AND ONLY THEN, might we be working for "0ur cause". Until that time, I take it that "we" are working for "THE GREATER GOOD"...
*yikes*
now, that said, "you" (NOT YOU GUNNY!) shouldn't be "bitching" about these sorts of, "formaltites", YOU should be working to further the cause of LIBERTY.

If "WE" refuse to or, neglect to hold our board accountable, WHO WILL TAKE THE FALL?

I'll give you a hint...
it isn't me,
it isn't YOU,
it is RON PAUL.

I REFUSE to let that happen.

I swear to MY GOD, that not only will I do everything in my power to keep that from happening, I will do everything in my power to EXPOSE (obhhh no NOT ALEX JONES) but the FOOLS who made this "ecothreat".
AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, I UNDSERTAND IT FOR WHAT IT IS... AN ECOTHREAT.
COME AND TAKE IT.

 

[revolutionary8]

Ron Paul isn't "in on it". THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT (of a 501c3). Like it or not, that is how it is. That is what is so fucked up.
WE send our money to RON and he has nothing to do with it because he can't!

HEADS SHOULD ROLL.

PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES.

I MAX MY SHIT, and I get THIS???


THE BOARD SHOULD BE DISSOLVED. IE. LIQUIDATED. In that special case, the board should have BYLAWS re; what should happen if the board is dissolved.

Once the board (ie the heiracrchy) is LIQUIDATED, THEN, AND ONLY THEN, might we be working for "0ur cause". Until that time, I take it that "we" are working for "THE GREATER GOOD"...
*yikes*
now, that said, "you" (NOT YOU GUNNY!) shouldn't be "bitching" about these sorts of, "formaltites", YOU should be working to further the cause of LIBERTY.

If "WE" refuse to or, neglect to hold our board accountable, WHO WILL TAKE THE FALL?

I'll give you a hint...
it isn't me,
it isn't YOU,
it is RON PAUL.

I REFUSE to let that happen.

I swear to MY GOD, that not only will I do everything in my power to keep that from happening, I will do everything in my power to EXPOSE (obhhh no NOT ALEX JONES) but the FOOLS who made this "ecothreat".
AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, I UNDSERTAND IT FOR WHAT IT IS... AN ECOTHREAT.
COME AND TAKE IT.

 

[tremendoustie]

This makes me sick. This is my moneybomb money. RIP CFL.

I could have used this money for so many better causes.

 

[revolutionary8]

FTLOG, woodya stop being so dramatic? I can't stand it much longer. DISSOLVE THE BOARD. GET RID OF EM. ELECT a new board.
No reason that members of the "old" board don't have a place in the "new" board, but that is for OTHERS, besides the neocon warmongering fucks, to decide... right???
it's simple.
give us a cure rather than a cause, and pretend we didn't tell you about PREVENTION.

ffs

This makes me sick. This is my moneybomb money. RIP CFL.

I could have used this money for so many better causes.

 

[qwerty]

YouTube - CO pro buck ad.wmv



Campaign for Liberty is a 501(c)4 lobbying organization which neither supports nor opposes candidates for public office and claims no
responsibility for the actions of individuals or groups of individuals who use the Campaign for Liberty logo or name or who may claim to act as
representatives of the Campaign for Liberty without prior written consent of the Campaign for Liberty. [?]



http://www.campaignforliberty.com/about.php

What does that mean ?

 

[LittleLightShining]

I've been through the thread again since last night. I haven't gotten much further with the digging for 990 forms which is totally bugging me. I have a few people I'm gonna call later on who can probably help me out.

I do not think this Colorodo group has anything to do with this ad. BTW if you watch the ad with no sound it totally looks like an endorsement.

I quoted a bunch of posts but if I respond to all of them the post will take up a whole page. At any rate, don't give up on your local activists. If you've been sitting back giving money to C4L national and haven't gotten very involved with your local group, now is the time to do it. Get to know everyone involved and try to discern motives. VT C4L hasn't officially become an official affiliate of national-- and for a reason. It's been apparent to our core group since last spring that the two primary goals as far as the national group was concerned were increasing outside donations (above and beyond dues) and gathering new contact info. I have a paper in my hand from Debbie Hopper that says just this.

I've gone on and on here as best I could, wherever I could, to explain the problems I saw with national C4L only to get squelched here and then attacked by Debbie Hopper. I stepped down from my position because I would rather let my little light shine on this shet than have a title.

I would be willing to give national another chance if they got rid of not just Howard but EVERYONE else, went back to the way it was meant to be-- a bottom up, grassroots organization committed to educating the people about the issues. Each state chapter deciding for itself based on political climate and demographics what will work on the ground.

I feel like half my job for the last 6 months is separating VT from national.

I also wanted to share some more information I've come across about Debbie Hopper and Mike Rothfeld.

Apparently Debbie Hopper is known as being a "bad player" in a Constitution Party. From what I understand she is pro-choice and pushed pro-choice candidates on the Constitution Party, eventually being asked to step down from the executive committee of the party.

Rothfeld is failed Republican hack candidate turned junk-mail fundraiser.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

They did not give this guy money. The add is not about him. The ad was purchased because C4L wanted to accomplish a goal here. That everyone here is flipping out because "C4L gave $350,000 to a neocon" is laughable. What the goal is, I don't know. Does spending so much on whatever this campaign is seem suspect? Yes. Is it a justifiable reason to loose our minds? No.

You sure you watched the correct youtube?

Wow, I just read through this entire thread. I've not done something like that in quite awhile, but given the severity of this problem, I made myself.


CFL better do the following.
1.) Tell the truth and not hide anything. No trying to "make this go away.l"
2.) Fire everyone who knew about this and everyone who was involved in this.
3.) Show us where our donations are going.

If CFL fails to do so, I am going to
1.) No longer send them money.
2.) Delete my profile and blog, and cancel my membership.
3.) Tell all of my family to do the same. And although I haven't donated much money, my grandparents have. They have been "big time" Republican donors their entire lives until I turned them onto Ron Paul. Since, then, they have donated all their money to groups like CFL. They will be the first people I call.

I support this +1 It should be the basis of a ultimatum that all members sign onto.

 

[nobody's_hero]

You assume their intent was to fund this candidate. It was not. The funds paid for the ad. And, if you look at the add in terms of marketing, it framed the product (the survey) with the candidate. It wasn't about the candidate.

Couldn't they have just said "According to our survey, the guy you just saw in this campaign ad is a pro-war neocon"

?

What the heck is the point of the survey? It costs me a hell of a lot less than $350,000 to listen to a candidate long enough to figure out he's not that great of a choice. No survey necessary.

 

[LittleLightShining]

So the only qualification for receiving $350,000 in media buys form the CFL is to complete a survey? And they will do this for other candidates that complete the survey too?

How is it possible people this incredibly incompetent get into such an important position. I mean really, I seldom even hear congressional democrats saying things that make as little sense as this statement.

If that's the case I have a guy who wants out of Afghanistan right now who is challenging Leahy. I've been asked to help out with his campaign and I am totally on board but was waiting until he gets a new website which better explains his positions to announce it here.

I think this guy can give Leahy a run for his money. $350k would be a huge boost to this guy.

How do I get this survey for my candidate, Len Britton?

 

[nobody's_hero]

Well, since the Campaign for Liberty can send off $350,000 at a time to get someone to fill out a frivolous survey, I'm going to assume that they aren't hurting for money as bad as they claim to be.

Adam's birthday money bomb is coming up, and I know he's not a pro-war neocon.


(and I didn't even have to get him to fill out a survey!)

 

[MRoCkEd]

Hopefully C4L releases a statement today to clarify this.

 

[Chieftain1776]

I'm still reserving judgment but here's where I am right now:

The National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) is also being opposed by Jim DeMint's Senate Conservatives Fund. I wonder...quid pro quo? Will we be seeing Rand's face promoted by the Senate Conservatives Fund?

(1) ^This^ is the best case scenario that's realistic. Unfortunately we'll never be able to confirm it unless SCF doesn't endorse Rand Paul as there's probably some rule against this type of blatant horse trading.

(2) My moderate and most realistic theory is that it's Tate and CFL leadership are trying to "be political players" and further themselves (and their careers) by getting involved in high profile races. To be fair they could be thinking it helps C4L in the long run.

(3) My worst case scenario right now and least realistic is that some hack (or hacks) from a slightly more conservative wing of the GOP saw the money and membership CFL raised and thought "Hey we can take this over and use it for our purposes". Again I think it's the least likely but possible. There are always unemployed political hacks that want to move up in the world may have latched on to the CFL to direct them.

(4) One other possibility that I thought of could be that it is building a track record of supporting conservative candidates so then when it lines up behind liberty candidates like Rand Paul his opponents can't accuse it of only supporting libertarians. This could have been a move to be more credible to other conservative/Republican organizations.

This guy, Ken Buck, isn't so bad on recent statements but his past is troubling.

In general I wanted C4L to be educational and lobbying but it's current status allows it to participate in elections. Keep in mind that the Club for Growth has the same 501(c)(4) status that C4L has and C4G is heavily involved in elections.

 

[erowe1]

Surveys like this could be an extremely powerful weapon if used correctly. The ad is both a promotion of the survey and a "promotional reward" that C4L gave this guy because he did something they liked. What that something is, I do not know. It could be as simple as his completion of the form. If I know Rothfeld, this is his style.

They did not give this guy money. The add is not about him. The ad was purchased because C4L wanted to accomplish a goal here. That everyone here is flipping out because "C4L gave $350,000 to a neocon" is laughable. What the goal is, I don't know. Does spending so much on whatever this campaign is seem suspect? Yes. Is it a justifiable reason to loose our minds? No.

If this is a pebble someone threw in the ocean to make waves, you guys are indeed riding the ripples until they become insanity tsunamis.

I am the Chapter Coordinator for Campaign for Liberty Baltimore. If you think the C4L is a top down organization then you need to spend some time outside this forum. I just came back from the Ron Paul speaking engagement at Loyola College. Myself and a score of other C4L members distributed literature and shook hands with the local YAL chapter, the Republican Liberty Caucus, members of Americans for Prosperity, local politicians, local activists, local Republican clubs and hundreds of other interested people. Some of these people we are already on a first name basis with.

If you really want to become part of the movement you need to get with your local chapter and build the grassroots. That is where the power is. If you donate money to the top of an organization you can't loose your mind when they do something you don't initially understand - especially in politics. Put on your man-pants and dig your heels in because this fight is long term. If we fracture every time something happens that we don't understand then we are done for.

I noticed that you're one of Gary Howard's contacts on his CFL page.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/profile.php?member=Gary_Howard

Is that why you're resorting to this special pleading to defend this decision that everybody else here has no difficulty seeing as a terrible one?

 

[smashysmashy]

There are updates on the C4L page, but still no word about this... Even if there is a somewhat satisfactory explanation for this, we need to take this opportunity to demand transparency from C4L or no more donations. It's high time they start acting like a model of liberty and this is our opportunity to see that happen. I've read too many disturbing little tidbits on here about the leaders of C4L for me to have anything to do with them until changes are made.

 

[constituent]

Wow!

If only someone had seen this coming...

 

[ARealConservative]

Wow!

If only someone had seen this coming...

 

[constituent]

How do I get this survey for my candidate, Len Britton?

His issues page is a bit scarce for me to make a decision based on it alone, but i'll be watching the show now that you've pointed it out. thanks.

 

[rancher89]

Surveys like this could be an extremely powerful weapon if used correctly. The ad is both a promotion of the survey and a "promotional reward" that C4L gave this guy because he did something they liked. What that something is, I do not know. It could be as simple as his completion of the form. If I know Rothfeld, this is his style.

They did not give this guy money. The add is not about him. The ad was purchased because C4L wanted to accomplish a goal here. That everyone here is flipping out because "C4L gave $350,000 to a neocon" is laughable. What the goal is, I don't know. Does spending so much on whatever this campaign is seem suspect? Yes. Is it a justifiable reason to loose our minds? No.

If this is a pebble someone threw in the ocean to make waves, you guys are indeed riding the ripples until they become insanity tsunamis.

I am the Chapter Coordinator for Campaign for Liberty Baltimore. If you think the C4L is a top down organization then you need to spend some time outside this forum. I just came back from the Ron Paul speaking engagement at Loyola College. Myself and a score of other C4L members distributed literature and shook hands with the local YAL chapter, the Republican Liberty Caucus, members of Americans for Prosperity, local politicians, local activists, local Republican clubs and hundreds of other interested people. Some of these people we are already on a first name basis with.

If you really want to become part of the movement you need to get with your local chapter and build the grassroots. That is where the power is. If you donate money to the top of an organization you can't loose your mind when they do something you don't initially understand - especially in politics. Put on your man-pants and dig your heels in because this fight is long term. If we fracture every time something happens that we don't understand then we are done for.

But this isn't using a survey correctly and IT IS an ad for the candidate. IMHO

 

[sluggo]

C4L won't see another penny from me until they address these issues.

Downsize DC will get my cash instead.

 

[LDA]

A little disappointing.

Why are they not pouring this money into Peter Schiff or Rand Paul's campaigns? Or any of the other libertarians out there? I know Schiff needs the money badly.